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_Midnight_
Acolyte

USA
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Posted - 24 Jul 2016 :  23:08:12  Show Profile  Visit _Midnight_'s Homepage Send _Midnight_ a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Irennan

I forgot to leave a comment about the book.

I really enjoyed it. It does an excellent job of painting a vivid picture of the post-Sundering Waterdeep, from the intrigues of its nobles, to the common people, to the Zentharim and the Xanathar getting back to action.

Looking into the mind of Laeral, reading about her struggles, of how things just aren't like they were for her and the other Chosen, felt like meeting an old friend after a long time of absence.

There are just so many lore gems hidden throughout the book, which were one of my favourite parts of it. Information about Volo, the Seven Sisters, hints at what's coming for the Realms, or Eilistraee getting back in action, or news about what's changing in Waterdeep, and a lot of other easter eggs. I was really pleased with it.




The bit with them bursting in on a group of people playing the Lords of Waterdeep board game was funny...
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BrianDavion
Seeker

71 Posts

Posted - 31 Jul 2016 :  02:33:46  Show Profile Send BrianDavion a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I'm trying to recall which ward was it they where building the temple of elistraee in again?
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KanzenAU
Senior Scribe

Australia
741 Posts

Posted - 31 Jul 2016 :  08:09:30  Show Profile Send KanzenAU a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The ruined part of Field Ward from memory

Regional maps for Waterdeep, Triboar, Ardeep Forest, and Cormyr on DM's Guild, plus a campaign sized map for the North
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Irennan
Great Reader

Italy
2685 Posts

Posted - 31 Jul 2016 :  13:49:06  Show Profile Send Irennan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Remallia Haventree (the harper leader in Waterdeep) said that the followers of Eilistraee asked her to sponsor a temple in the Field Ward. One of the nobles that were talking to her said that the Eilistraeeans wanted to build it in the North Ward (Idk why. He was opposed to the temple, perhaps he wanted to exaggerate the matter, so that Remallia wouldn't have supported them).

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Brimstone
Great Reader

USA
2893 Posts

Posted - 31 Jul 2016 :  16:37:13  Show Profile Send Brimstone a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I am sooooo enjoying this book.

"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
Alaundo of Candlekeep
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CylverSaber
Learned Scribe

76 Posts

Posted - 17 Aug 2016 :  04:15:59  Show Profile  Visit CylverSaber's Homepage Send CylverSaber a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I overall enjoyed the book, but have some complaints. The younger characters get pretty badly treated. Vajra was portrayed as an incompetent who needed to be swatted away whenever she popped up. Jalester and Dunblade got their butts kicked at every turn, so why bother hiring them?

I think the internal story logic of the book starts to fall apart somewhere around Laeral's battle with Cazondur and Glenmaur. I like that the Chosen have been majorly depowered and need to rely on their wits, and it's good for a book like this, which is focused on the earthly concerns of a major city, to not have the gods play a big role. But after making a point of showing that resurrections aren't easy anymore, they basically made an end run around that with the body destruction/body switching elements, which really undermines the stakes for the major characters.

I love Mirt as always, but I agree it's baffling he got off without consequences for the murder of the priest, and that goes double for Tasheene who was one of the most murderous characters in the book! Really, after all the carnage and destruction, with members of the ruling government being murdered daily and it being revealed publicly that this was masterminded by a leader of the city, we never get any sense that this has actually destabilized Waterdeep, and in the end everything seems alright.

I did enjoy the inclusion of all the different elements of Waterdeep, especially the Xanathar being involved. The giants' subplot went nowhere, but it seems it's the new thing in the novels to include an obligatory game product tie-in that doesn't relate at all to the story. I liked Mordenkainen's role and would like to see more crossovers to other settings. Elminster on Athas, perhaps?
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Irennan
Great Reader

Italy
2685 Posts

Posted - 17 Aug 2016 :  04:20:37  Show Profile Send Irennan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
As I said, I really enjoyed the book, but I too had problems with Tasheene getting away like that, which left me very perplexed. Same for the usefulness (or lack thereof) of the characters that you mentioned.

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Mirtek
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505 Posts

Posted - 11 Sep 2016 :  14:51:22  Show Profile Send Mirtek a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by _Midnight_

quote:
Originally posted by The Red Walker

quote:
Originally posted by _Midnight_

No one else was the least bit concerned that Mirt straight up murdered the first high priest that said they could not revive one of his whorespies



I thought it was perfectly within Mirt's character. He's never reall quite been a "good guy"



Yeah, Mirt has always been shady, but he seemed to reserve the killing for people who were up to no good. He certainly wasn't reticent to hurt people in other ways to benefit himself, but it just seemed a bit jarring I guess that he would murder this guy out in the middle of the street.

Or that absolutely no one cared. Lord of not, he straight up murdered a guy without any reason in front of multiple witnesses and no one seems to care.

Also Tasheene admited to have murdered several innocent hidden lords and all seems to be forgiven with no reason at all. Just because she at first believed her employers lie that those were corrupt is no excuse. And even during that time she didn't take care to only slay her "corrupt" targets, she gleefully murders guards and house servants and just about anybody in the vicinity of her original target (she even burned down an entire brothel full of people just to hide the murder of one lord). And her punishment? Nothing at all.

Not the worst FR novel of all time, but the worst I have read for quite some time. I finished only today because I had to lay it down for extended periods of time because I couldn't stand all this stupidity going on anymore

Edited by - Mirtek on 11 Sep 2016 14:55:21
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BrianDavion
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71 Posts

Posted - 11 Sep 2016 :  22:29:58  Show Profile Send BrianDavion a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Tasheene's fate Isn't explictly spelled out, but my understanding is she basicly struck a plea deal. arranging to testify against her employer in return for concessions. likely she's now basicly serving as an agent of Mirts.
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MaskedOne
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42 Posts

Posted - 22 Sep 2016 :  02:41:51  Show Profile Send MaskedOne a Private Message  Reply with Quote
It's the only Greenwood novel (of those I've read) to date that I actively dislike. I get it, Mirt, Laeral and El are operating under some restrictions they really don't like...

but they've just spent a century operating under exceptionally harsh limitations, it's not like this is 1386 and the world has just been pulled from under their feet. Past that though, let some of the youngsters shine and if you are going to keep the idiot ball nailed to the hands of older characters then make sure that they pay in some lasting way. Possibly start by forcing Laeral to take action against Mirt for murdering a high priest in the middle of the street.
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Clegane
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65 Posts

Posted - 22 Sep 2016 :  17:12:13  Show Profile Send Clegane a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I gave the book a try and was disappointed. Try as I might, I just cant get into FR fiction post v.3.5. The setting, lore, and game supplements up to that point had the feeling of depth that was probably borne out of Ed's realms that he created in the 60's and nurtured through the years. 4th ed, spell plague, fast forward feels empty, commercialized, and manufactured and trying using Elminster, Laeral, Mirt, etc. feels like shoehorning for the sake of trying to say "it's still the realms really."

I think this was last book I'll buy new unless they go back to writing in FR 1300's.
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Lilianviaten
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487 Posts

Posted - 22 Sep 2016 :  17:22:22  Show Profile Send Lilianviaten a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by MaskedOne

It's the only Greenwood novel (of those I've read) to date that I actively dislike. I get it, Mirt, Laeral and El are operating under some restrictions they really don't like...

but they've just spent a century operating under exceptionally harsh limitations, it's not like this is 1386 and the world has just been pulled from under their feet. Past that though, let some of the youngsters shine and if you are going to keep the idiot ball nailed to the hands of older characters then make sure that they pay in some lasting way. Possibly start by forcing Laeral to take action against Mirt for murdering a high priest in the middle of the street.




Mirt has been over the top for a while. He's a fun character, but him beating Manshoon unconscious 2 books ago was ridiculous. Granted, they were in a magic suppressing mansion, but Manshoon is still a vampire lord. His strength, agility, speed, and reflexes are all going to be superhuman. Then again, Manshoon is the comic relief villain at this point (who's been depowered now too).
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Irennan
Great Reader

Italy
2685 Posts

Posted - 04 Jun 2017 :  00:51:10  Show Profile Send Irennan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
So, this is why resurrection is harder to cast. It's not about gods being so distant to no longer grant it, it's about them holding on that magic 'cause of Acererak's plan. From ENWorld

"Tomb of Annihilation is in the Forgotten Realms set in the Lost Continent of Chult - Away from the Sword Coast (the hosts of the live stream are very interested with undead dinosaurs). Acererak is, as many predicted, the source of this plotline as the Archlich is more or less "eating" resurrection magic from the rest of the Forgotten Realms and causing a zombie apocalypse. Pendleton Ward from Adventure Time is a creative consultant on this adventure."

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Edited by - Irennan on 04 Jun 2017 00:52:22
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KraziJoe
Acolyte

8 Posts

Posted - 07 Aug 2017 :  22:00:46  Show Profile Send KraziJoe a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I liked the book overall but it did seem disjointed at times. One of the last scenes with Mordenkainen made it appear he was writing the story. At least it did to me and that's the way I interpreted it.
waiting for the last Drizzt book to come down in price then I am done with FR, unless they release new books.
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