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Delwa
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Posted - 02 Jun 2016 :  03:22:59  Show Profile  Visit Delwa's Homepage Send Delwa a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
Details at link.

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Irennan
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Posted - 02 Jun 2016 :  03:32:12  Show Profile Send Irennan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Looks very interesting. I wonder if Ed had a hand in it. Thanks for the link, Delwa.

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Posted - 02 Jun 2016 :  03:36:33  Show Profile  Visit Rymac's Homepage Send Rymac a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Interesting, although I am wondering if it will be regurgitated lore from Dragon Magazine's "Ecology Of..." articles, especially the ones Ed wrote. But then again, regurgitated lore from prior edition material is to be expected.

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Delwa
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Posted - 02 Jun 2016 :  03:37:20  Show Profile  Visit Delwa's Homepage Send Delwa a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Irennan

Looks very interesting. I wonder if Ed had a hand in it. Thanks for the link, Delwa.


No problem. I agree, it looks interesting. If I'm not grossly misinterpreting the description, it looks like a blend of Savage Species (monstrous races like orcs as playable races,) the old Monstor Ecology articles from Dragon Magazine, and a MM2. Hopefully they aren't trying to do too much in one tome, but we'll see. I'm excited.

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Yes, they should have learned from the SCAG. At least this is 224 pages, rather than 160...

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Posted - 02 Jun 2016 :  04:15:56  Show Profile  Visit Rymac's Homepage Send Rymac a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Irennan

Yes, they should have learned from the SCAG. At least this is 224 pages, rather than 160...



That certainly explains why it's another $10.00 over the cost of SCAG. It's going to retail at $49.95.

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Posted - 02 Jun 2016 :  04:32:41  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I find the lack of mention of the author rather odd...

Aside from that, though... Squee!

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Irennan
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Posted - 02 Jun 2016 :  04:36:54  Show Profile Send Irennan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ed said this, after being asked if he had a hand in the book:

"Heh. I can neither confirm nor deny. ;} Yet."

Which may actually tell us something.

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farinal
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Posted - 02 Jun 2016 :  06:36:14  Show Profile Send farinal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
just saw this! super excited!! 5E is going in a good direction I can tell.

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Caolin
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Posted - 02 Jun 2016 :  07:12:52  Show Profile Send Caolin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I'd say he's involved.

https://twitter.com/TheEdVerse/status/738200939421532160
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Seravin
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Posted - 02 Jun 2016 :  13:34:08  Show Profile Send Seravin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I can't fathom Ed would not have been (heavily) involved in something by Volo.
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The Masked Mage
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Might just be me, but it needs a new, more verbose title to sound Volo-ish. Like Guide to Beasts and Monstrosities... idk. I'm not much of a writer :)
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Delwa
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Posted - 02 Jun 2016 :  19:33:37  Show Profile  Visit Delwa's Homepage Send Delwa a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by The Masked Mage

Might just be me, but it needs a new, more verbose title to sound Volo-ish. Like Guide to Beasts and Monstrosities... idk. I'm not much of a writer :)



I can kinda see that, but at the same time, why didn't he do it for Waterdeep? Something like, "Volo's Guide to the City of Splendors: A Purveyor's Guide to Waterdhavian Places and People," versus, "Volo's Guide to Waterdeep?

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farinal
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As I was two years old when Volo's Guide to Waterdeep was released yet I love the Volo guides and try to collect as much as I can find and archive them I wonder how other people who like D&D and the Realms but simply don't know much about pre 3.0E times will receive this book. I think depending on the sales numbers, if it's good we can hope that more books in this style would follow. After SCAG I didn't have high hopes for the upcoming books but I think if they manage this one justice all will be forgiven :)

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Sweet!

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Rymac
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Posted - 02 Jun 2016 :  21:38:48  Show Profile  Visit Rymac's Homepage Send Rymac a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Delwa

quote:
Originally posted by The Masked Mage

Might just be me, but it needs a new, more verbose title to sound Volo-ish. Like Guide to Beasts and Monstrosities... idk. I'm not much of a writer :)



I can kinda see that, but at the same time, why didn't he do it for Waterdeep? Something like, "Volo's Guide to the City of Splendors: A Purveyor's Guide to Waterdhavian Places and People," versus, "Volo's Guide to Waterdeep?



I see your point, but those were travel/tourist guides. This one seems to be more like the wider-ranged Volo's Guide to All Things Magical.

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Seravin
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Posted - 02 Jun 2016 :  22:09:57  Show Profile Send Seravin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
What was everyone's beef with SCAG? I thought it was a decent book.
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Irennan
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Posted - 02 Jun 2016 :  22:26:14  Show Profile Send Irennan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Seravin

What was everyone's beef with SCAG? I thought it was a decent book.



My beef is that it was *way* too short. A lot of the changes (most of the stuff that returned) were also barely explained--or explored--(likely as a result of its limited size), so it felt like some kind of weird in-universe retcon, if that makes any sense.

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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by Seravin

What was everyone's beef with SCAG? I thought it was a decent book.



I think most people would have preferred a longer campaign setting book.

I'm curious how many new critters we'll see in this book... And I hope they'll buck prior trends; up until now, WotC (and TSR before them) was unable make a monster book without including new variant dragons and new forms of undead.

Borrowing from a couple prior posts of mine...

The proliferation of dragons is one thing that's always bugged me about D&D.

Okay, so we've got the main bunch of metallics, and the main bunch of chromatics. I'm fine with that.

The gem dragons are okay, though it's obvious they were created for no more purpose than having neutral dragons.

Aside from those, I don't see a need for too many other breeds. A couple oddballs, like steel dragons, song dragons, or fang dragons, are fine, but that's it.

Instead, we've had lesser metallics, lesser gemstones, lesser chromatics, and a host of goofy dragon types created simply to have more dragons.

I realize that the name of the game is Dungeons & Dragons, but in my opinion, the main breeds of chromatic and metallic fill most of our draconic needs. We don't need all those niche dragons -- the true dragons overlap most of those niches.

It's the same with undead. We have all the classic ones, but then there are ones that have identical creation methods to others and yet are dramatically different, and then there are the really weird ones, like my theoretical green howling yodeler -- "a green howling yodeler is created when a heartbroken half-elven male name Frehd falls off a mountain while yodeling, lands in a pool of green Jell-O, and then freezes to death while a trio of dire penguins laugh at his struggles to get out".

Yeah, that's over the top, but I've seen some official undead that have really unlikely origins, to the point of being near-ridiculous.

I'd rather have something wholly new, rather than "bizarrely formed undead #43,612" or "highly-specialized niche dragon #309".

Instead of "Pokopo dragons are majestic dragons that evolved on and are only found on the north shore of this one tiny island that's barely bigger than a halfling's bed," how about some highly intelligent amphibious monkey found on temperate shorelines?

Or instead of "ice cube dragons that occupy the same spot as white dragons but look like ice cubes and have a Slurpee breath weapon," how about some critter that burrows in ice, can suck heat out of nearby creatures, and has a natural ability to magically shape ice?

I've got nothing against the creation of more monsters, I just get tired of seeing undead and dragons every time a new monster book comes out. Especially considering that with draconic dominance of the food chain, some of these niche dragons should be quickly killed or driven off by true dragons.

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Irennan
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Posted - 02 Jun 2016 :  22:57:20  Show Profile Send Irennan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Dragons will almost certainly make into the lore part of the book. As for new monsters, I'm totally with you. New monsters with original traits is what I'm hoping to see.

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Delwa
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Posted - 02 Jun 2016 :  23:02:18  Show Profile  Visit Delwa's Homepage Send Delwa a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Irennan

Dragons will almost certainly make into the lore part of the book. As for new monsters, I'm totally with you. New monsters with original traits is what I'm hoping to see.


I'm crossing my fingers and hoping for Nyth, personally. I don't care about dragons. I've plenty of those.

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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by Irennan

Dragons will almost certainly make into the lore part of the book. As for new monsters, I'm totally with you. New monsters with original traits is what I'm hoping to see.



I don't mind 5E versions of the main dragon types... I don't want to see them trying to shoehorn in sequined, polka-dotted, and fluorescent orange dragons, just to have new dragon types.

Or the Colorspawn Actionwords -- I hated those. Ye dancing gods, that was stretching a concept way too far.

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Irennan
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Posted - 02 Jun 2016 :  23:29:32  Show Profile Send Irennan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
What are Colorspawn Actionwords supposed to be, lol!

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Delwa
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Posted - 02 Jun 2016 :  23:35:41  Show Profile  Visit Delwa's Homepage Send Delwa a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Bluespawn ambushers and their ilk?

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Irennan
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Posted - 02 Jun 2016 :  23:41:50  Show Profile Send Irennan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ahh, I see, thanks. I've heard of those, but I'm not really familiar with them.

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As Delwa said. They pushed a metric buttload of variations on that particular theme out during the 3E era -- 2-4 different spawn types per standard chromatic type. And a lot of them were just "dragonish version of existing critter" rather than something truly new and interesting.

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