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Veritas
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Caladan Brood
Senior Scribe
Norway
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 Posted - 31 Mar 2016 : 20:10:45
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I'm not surprised at all. They were vague and at times dishonest before release, and the game, no matter if you enjoyed it or not, was not the game people wanted.
I hope Hasbro/WotC take note that we demand high quality product. Good thing we get SIEGE OF DRAGONSPEAR today. |
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deserk
Learned Scribe
Norway
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Posted - 31 Mar 2016 : 20:23:56
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Lol. And they didnt even complete the Rage of Demons DLC I preorded. Terrible. Normally I never preorder things, but I thought these guys had the passion and expertise to make a good Realms CRPG and was desperate to support them. Their director was after all the same director of Dragon Age Origins (which is a game I love and cherish even more than the BG games). But ultimately it was an unsuccessful hybrid of Baldur's Gate/Dragon Age mechanics, except done much more badly.
Oh well, I'm sure it's an awful enough situation for them anyway. And it's awful for us CRPG lovers because WotC might get the impression they should never support a traditional CRPG again (which by all counts there was nothing traditional about the style of this game, it's gameplay didn't work anything like D&D). But WotC's marketing branch are too clueless about the video game industry in general and will not see the difference between this style of game and the Baldur's Gate games. Which means they might choose instead to support another soul-and-dollar-devouring MMO like Neverwinter. |
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
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Posted - 31 Mar 2016 : 20:37:04
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| I haven't played the game, and I don't really play VGs anymore (the last I played was The Witcher 3, and then Mass Effect 3 about 3 years before that). However, I'm still sorry that this game failed, because its success might have led to more FR support in general. Instead, as Deserk pointed out, WotC might cut their support to this kind of games altogether, and be even less likely to create more Realms content. |
Mathematics is the art of giving the same name to different things. |
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Diffan
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 31 Mar 2016 : 21:15:10
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| While this game and the other one, Daggerdale(?), didn't really do well other games are still being successful like Neverwinter MMO and previous series. Heck I know of quite a few people who've been buying the new Baldur's Gate game. So lets hope WotC doesn't see this failure and cut all ties with the VG area altogether. |
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ZeshinX
Learned Scribe
Canada
210 Posts |
Posted - 01 Apr 2016 : 02:32:12
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| Baldur's Gate is a better 5e game than SCL was. I do hope those nSpace devs find work elsewhere soon, but SCL was dead on the vine. |
"...because despite the best advice of those who know what they are talking about, other people insist on doing the most massively stupid things."
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hashimashadoo
Master of Realmslore
United Kingdom
1150 Posts |
Posted - 01 Apr 2016 : 02:46:34
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N-Space was famous for its handheld games. It had virtually no experience with PC titles. When SCL was announced, I had no doubt in my mind that unless Digital Extremes held N-Space's hand throughout the development process, the game would likely flop.
I'm actually going to play SCL for the very first time soon. It's been sitting in my Steam library since before Christmas because my gaming rig runs XP and SCL won't play without DirectX 10 but I'm getting a new gaming laptop in the next few weeks. |
When life turns it's back on you...sneak attack for extra damage.
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 01 Apr 2016 : 03:26:27
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| Speaking of, the new expansion for Baldur's Gate Enhanced Editon, Siege of Dragonspear, was just released today. Beamdog's additions to the series have been of mixed interest from a Realms perspective (seeing a Thayan enclave in Athkatla was great, murdering the Order of the Radiant Heart not so much) but it's more Infinity Engine, and that's much better than SCL. |
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Snotlord
Senior Scribe
Norway
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Tanthalas
Senior Scribe
Portugal
508 Posts |
Posted - 02 Apr 2016 : 16:05:06
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I was hoping that SCL would be a new BG, but they didn't even manage to make playing the game a smooth experience.
It was kind of frustrating to go to their boards and see people complaining about how the game wasn't a faithful tabletop simulator when basic functions like scrolling the map wasn't intuitive. Make playing the game actually work well, then worry about rule implementations.
I don't need my D&D games to be exactly like BG, the PS2 Dark Alliance games were great, but they need to be good games. |
Sir Markham pointed out, drinking another brandy. "A chap who can point at you and say 'die' has the distinct advantage". |
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Master Katarn
Acolyte
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Posted - 02 Apr 2016 : 18:41:09
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It seems my opinion differs from a lot of other players, because I completed Baldur's Gate Enhanced Edition, both Icewind Dales, and Sword Coast Legends, but enjoyed Sword Coast Legends the most of that group. And I found the multiplayer sessions I had with SCL to be superior to any of the multiplayer games I ran in Icewind Dale. In fact, I just got Siege of Dragonspear and am not really enjoying it as much as I'd like--certainly not as much as SCL.
However, Neverwinter Nights 1 (Bioware game, not the AOL game or modern MMO) remains the best Forgotten Realms game for me. Neverwinter Nights 2 was good, but I didn't enjoy it as much as NWN 1.
I'm sorry to hear about the closing of the Sword Coast Legends developer. Hopefully the staff can find new jobs soon. |
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Mapolq
Senior Scribe
Brazil
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Caladan Brood
Senior Scribe
Norway
410 Posts |
Posted - 02 Apr 2016 : 22:40:29
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| Siege of Dragonspear <3 |
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Baltas
Senior Scribe
Poland
955 Posts |
Posted - 06 Apr 2016 : 19:39:46
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All pretty sad news.
But on the other hand guys, how do you feel the Siege of Dragonspear is?
It has some pretty bad reviews, but that may possibly be due to the zero reviews due to the Gamergate controversy(let's just not get into details of Gamergate, it's very complicated, and often results in messy discussions), people having issues with Mizhena being transgendered or maybe rather how it was portrayed, and a few other stuff.
https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/50341/negative-reviews-on-gog-and-steam/p1
Again, I will (saddly) accept if the expansion isn't all that good, but I just want to know from a more reliable source(candlekeep.com  ) how it really is. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36779 Posts |
Posted - 06 Apr 2016 : 20:00:27
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Originally posted by Baltas
All pretty sad news.
But on the other hand guys, how do you feel the Siege of Dragonspear is?
It has some pretty bad reviews, but that may possibly be due to the zero reviews due to the Gamergate controversy(let's just not get into details of Gamergate, it's very messy and complicated), people having issues with Mizhena being transgendered or maybe rather how it was portrayed, and a few other stuff.
https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/50341/negative-reviews-on-gog-and-steam/p1
Again, I will (saddly) accept if the expansion isn't all that good, but I just want to know from a more reliable source(candlekeep.com ) how it really is.
I haven't played the game, myself, but from what I've read online, the majority of the negative reviews -- some of which are from people that haven't even played the game -- are because of that character. |
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Diffan
Great Reader
USA
4429 Posts |
Posted - 06 Apr 2016 : 21:13:49
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| Like Wooly, I haven't played the game. The reviews on Siege of Dragonspear, anti-inclusivness aside, were largely poor due to many of the system's bugs and glitches with in-game play along with errors that occurred in uploading character files. The reviews of the game were to either not buy it totally or wait for a patch to fix all the issues. |
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Master Katarn
Acolyte
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Posted - 07 Apr 2016 : 03:58:51
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| I'm playing Siege of Dragonspear right now, and had no problem importing my party from the post Baldur's Gate Enhanced Edition save. So far, I haven't seen any serious bugs or glitches (although to be fair, I haven't tried multiplayer yet), which makes me wonder if those poor reviews are because of said bugs or the controversy about the content (I personally feel the expansion content fits in well with the main Baldur's Gate game and don't really agree with the horde of complaints used to justify all the zero star reviews, etc). |
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Baltas
Senior Scribe
Poland
955 Posts |
Posted - 07 Apr 2016 : 13:31:36
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Thanks for the replies guys!
Also, I heard they changed Jaheira's and Safana's charaterisations, with Safana becoming less flirtous, and more unpleasant. Although allready between Baldur's Gate 1 and 2, Jaheira's changed somewhat, and Safana was a bit less pleasant in 2, betraying the Bhaalspawn and stuff.
And after thinking about it, I'm not sure if we shoudn't start a separate topic about Siege of Dragonspear, and maybe move the posts there. |
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Diffan
Great Reader
USA
4429 Posts |
Posted - 07 Apr 2016 : 13:59:34
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| Baltas, that's probably a good idea. |
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Baltas
Senior Scribe
Poland
955 Posts |
Posted - 07 Apr 2016 : 15:45:00
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Originally posted by Diffan
Baltas, that's probably a good idea.
Well, I just wonder, to qoute your post, Wooly Rupert and Master Katarn's, or apply to an administrator to move these posts to a new topic? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36779 Posts |
Posted - 07 Apr 2016 : 17:18:15
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Other than using the quote function, we really don't have a good mechanism for moving posts from one topic to another -- either the forum software doesn't allow it, or it's disabled.
It's likely easier to just start a new topic, and quote any relevant posts there. |
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Candlekeep - The Library of Forgotten Realms Lore
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Baltas
Senior Scribe
Poland
955 Posts |
Posted - 07 Apr 2016 : 19:10:21
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| Okay, I'll do so. |
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Joran Nobleheart
Senior Scribe
USA
495 Posts |
Posted - 08 Apr 2016 : 07:18:35
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Originally posted by Arivia
Speaking of, the new expansion for Baldur's Gate Enhanced Editon, Siege of Dragonspear, was just released today. Beamdog's additions to the series have been of mixed interest from a Realms perspective (seeing a Thayan enclave in Athkatla was great, murdering the Order of the Radiant Heart not so much) but it's more Infinity Engine, and that's much better than SCL.
What do you mean about murdering the Order of the Radiant Heart? |
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ghilteras
Acolyte
USA
14 Posts |
Posted - 06 Mar 2017 : 19:57:31
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Originally posted by ZeshinX
Baldur's Gate is a better 5e game than SCL was. I do hope those nSpace devs find work elsewhere soon, but SCL was dead on the vine.
I don't think Baldur's Gate is not 5e, the ruleset looks like 2nd edition D&D |
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ZeshinX
Learned Scribe
Canada
210 Posts |
Posted - 06 Mar 2017 : 22:27:05
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Originally posted by ghilteras
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Originally posted by ZeshinX
Baldur's Gate is a better 5e game than SCL was. I do hope those nSpace devs find work elsewhere soon, but SCL was dead on the vine.
I don't think Baldur's Gate is not 5e, the ruleset looks like 2nd edition D&D
Baldur's Gate 1 & 2 are both 2e. My implication was that SCL was so far removed from anything resembling 5e, that a 2e game was a better 5e implementation. 
SCL resembled Dragon Age type mechanics far greater than anything I'd call D&D. SCL was to me just a Dragon Age game wearing Forgotten Realms skin. |
"...because despite the best advice of those who know what they are talking about, other people insist on doing the most massively stupid things."
-Galen, technomage |
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ghilteras
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 07 Mar 2017 : 00:14:22
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I agree, SCL felt more like 4e and maybe it is, I mean I never played 4e, but that definitely was not 5e
I'm curious if baldur's gate siege of dragonspear is 5e though.. |
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ZeshinX
Learned Scribe
Canada
210 Posts |
Posted - 07 Mar 2017 : 02:53:23
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Originally posted by ghilteras
I agree, SCL felt more like 4e and maybe it is, I mean I never played 4e, but that definitely was not 5e
I'm curious if baldur's gate siege of dragonspear is 5e though..
Siege of Dragonspear (SoD) is 2e like the other Baldur's Gate games (SoD is an expansion for the original Baldur's Gate, requires BG1EE to play). The only Infinity Engine game that wasn't 2e was Icewind Dale II, which was 3e (or 3.5e, I can't remember exactly). |
"...because despite the best advice of those who know what they are talking about, other people insist on doing the most massively stupid things."
-Galen, technomage |
Edited by - ZeshinX on 07 Mar 2017 02:54:41 |
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