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Nacopa
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Posted - 29 Mar 2016 :  08:39:17  Show Profile Send Nacopa a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I imagine any noble house that failed enough times to claim a blade, or simply lost too many scions in the moonblade race, decided enough was enough and created an heirloom blade with a similar design that only accepted their bloodline, which I feel is more likely something a family would decide to do as opposed to the original creator of the moonblades who had to consider the People as a whole.
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Barastir
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Posted - 29 Mar 2016 :  12:03:36  Show Profile  Click to see Barastir's MSN Messenger address Send Barastir a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Would they? Maybe a few of them... Most families were honored to even bear a moonblade, even a dormant one.

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fought for to be attained and maintained.
Lead by example.
Let your deeds speak your intentions.
Goodness radiated from the heart."

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dazzlerdal
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From the sounds of it maybe we should take what we think we know about moonblades and discard it for now. This could be the definitive work on moonblades that dispels all the myths and misconceptions that have built up over the years. It could even be a reinvention of the moonblades.

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Barastir
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Posted - 29 Mar 2016 :  12:33:43  Show Profile  Click to see Barastir's MSN Messenger address Send Barastir a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by dazzlerdal
(...) This could be the definitive work on moonblades that dispels all the myths and misconceptions that have built up over the years. It could even be a reinvention of the moonblades.


Or most possibly this will be the work which opens our minds to many understandings, interpretations and different points of view and possibilities over moonblades and similar swords (and maybe there will be non-elven blades among them)... But I'm not sure if this work will change history altogether. Well, let's see!

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Lead by example.
Let your deeds speak your intentions.
Goodness radiated from the heart."

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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by Rhaine

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

While I personally do like having a corrupted moonblade, having "imitation" moonblades would go a long way towards explaining away some of the discrepancies that have crept into the lore, over the years -- especially if these imitation blades were created with the deliberate intent of replacing legitimate moonblades.



Perhaps some of these imitations might be 'Sunblades' created with the intent of returning the sun elves to rulership.



I don't think that tactic would work... But a faux moonblade, created to appear to be a real moonblade, and replacing the original? That would be a lot easier to pull off. Just stash the actual moonblade (dormant or not) in a family vault, and whip out the fake one. It likely wouldn't pass muster for actually determining rulership (I'd imagine certain safeguards were built in for that), but it could allow a family to show off that they still have an active moonblade. Thus, they don't have to worry about being fried for being unworthy, there's no stigma for a dormant blade (if that's what happened with the original), and the family still enjoys the prestige of an active blade.

As long as the judgement thing is removed from one of these fakes, that opens up a lot of room to play...

It's also likely that the fakes would not do the trick of adding a single power per wielder -- but that could be handled by the family wizard, under obviously controlled circumstances.

All this aside, though, it is my personal opinion that the Starym moonblade should be left alone. We've got it pretty firmly grounded that it is an original moonblade, corrupted by Moander. I, personally, like its story, and I think it works well as a one-off. I also like that it took Moander to corrupt it -- that really does seem plausible for him, and I like that it took a god to do it. Making it something else invalidates prior lore, which I'm not a fan of -- it is canonically stated it's a corrupt moonblade. No other moonblade, with the exception of Arilyn's, has been as extensively written up -- so any others are fair game for the fake blade approach.

At least, that's my opinion on the Starym moonblade. I intend no offense to those who disagree.

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Barastir
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Posted - 29 Mar 2016 :  19:04:36  Show Profile  Click to see Barastir's MSN Messenger address Send Barastir a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
(...)
At least, that's my opinion on the Starym moonblade. I intend no offense to those who disagree.


No offense taken...

I just think that if the entire Seldarine, and Corellon in particular (a greater power), had a hand in the creation of the moonblades and interest in their success, they would not allow a lesser power to spoil one of their swords, either by placing powerful protection enchantments on them (and one can consider that Moander's portfolio is "corruption" specifically, but can't greater powers undo the damage he does?) or by watching the blades - or putting agents taking care of them - and acting both direct or indirectly when made aware of any menace. Well, maybe this could be an interesting story to tell, after all!



EDIT: clarifications

"Goodness is not a natural state, but must be
fought for to be attained and maintained.
Lead by example.
Let your deeds speak your intentions.
Goodness radiated from the heart."

The Paladin's Virtues, excerpt from the "Quentin's Monograph"
(by Ed Greenwood)

Edited by - Barastir on 29 Mar 2016 19:12:04
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Nacopa
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Posted - 29 Mar 2016 :  19:36:51  Show Profile Send Nacopa a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Barastir

Would they? Maybe a few of them... Most families were honored to even bear a moonblade, even a dormant one.



Of course they might if they suffered back to back losses and chose to wait a generation or two before letting a scion attempt the claim. House survivability may be that important to one family. Too, a very shrewd clan might create an heirloom blade that could work as a contingency should the moonblade be lost or stolen, with attributes that help the family member find and secure the moonblade. It also offers the idea that a family that never owned a moonblade (for whatever reason) wanted a powerful sword that would stay in the family, much like a loregem designed to instruct descendants.
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dazzlerdal
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Now why spoil a perfectly good intrigue by saying the gods wouldn't allow it. Given all the evils that have befallen the elves (and everyone else on toril) by their own hand or others it should be painfully obviously that the gods are either unable or unwilling to do anything to protect their followers unless that help is seriously begged for (and I'm thinking the descent of the drow style begging here).

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Barastir
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Posted - 29 Mar 2016 :  21:04:49  Show Profile  Click to see Barastir's MSN Messenger address Send Barastir a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well, I think the gods' interest varies by the scope of the matter at hand to their followers as a whole, and to their previous influence in the matter. I see the choosing of Evermeet's King and their hand in the creation of the moonblades both as good reasons. And the meddling of a lesser god in their creation, defying them somehow.

"Goodness is not a natural state, but must be
fought for to be attained and maintained.
Lead by example.
Let your deeds speak your intentions.
Goodness radiated from the heart."

The Paladin's Virtues, excerpt from the "Quentin's Monograph"
(by Ed Greenwood)

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 29 Mar 2016 :  21:34:42  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Barastir

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
(...)
At least, that's my opinion on the Starym moonblade. I intend no offense to those who disagree.


No offense taken...

I just think that if the entire Seldarine, and Corellon in particular (a greater power), had a hand in the creation of the moonblades and interest in their success, they would not allow a lesser power to spoil one of their swords, either by placing powerful protection enchantments on them (and one can consider that Moander's portfolio is "corruption" specifically, but can't greater powers undo the damage he does?) or by watching the blades - or putting agents taking care of them - and acting both direct or indirectly when made aware of any menace. Well, maybe this could be an interesting story to tell, after all!



EDIT: clarifications



There's nothing saying the Seldarine was aware of it.

Keep this in mind: Moander corrupted a greater power, without that deity being aware of it. If he can corrupt a god, surely corrupting a magic sword isn't that big a deal.

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Barastir
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Posted - 30 Mar 2016 :  01:47:40  Show Profile  Click to see Barastir's MSN Messenger address Send Barastir a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I think he can corrupt a moonblade, and quite easilly. But as you said, the deity wasn't aware... And I think the Seldarine would keep aware of the moonblades for the reasons mentioned above. But then again, maybe not directly, and maybe they just haven't succeeded. That's why it's not ruining a good plot, but maybe creating a new, deeper one.

I don't think the Seldarine would create the blades for a purpose so high to their People and just not care about it. But maybe they charged someone - proxies, a church, high mages, mortal followers - to take care of the swords. They felt their scheme was perfect and underestimated Moander or his minions... And then you have a novel or adventure explaining why a moonblade was corrupted - if it wasn't one of the copycat swords.


EDIT: typo

"Goodness is not a natural state, but must be
fought for to be attained and maintained.
Lead by example.
Let your deeds speak your intentions.
Goodness radiated from the heart."

The Paladin's Virtues, excerpt from the "Quentin's Monograph"
(by Ed Greenwood)

Edited by - Barastir on 30 Mar 2016 01:59:58
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Barastir
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Posted - 30 Mar 2016 :  01:58:00  Show Profile  Click to see Barastir's MSN Messenger address Send Barastir a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Nacopa
Of course they might if (...)


As I said, I don't disagree, but I don't think this would be the rule. This way of thinking seems very human, to me, and I try to think of elves with a different mindset.

But then again, it probably is a result of my old school mind, in which racial tendencies are stronger than nowadays (with all the label-avoiding policies and such which appeared in these twenty-odd years). But I confess I liked when the trait that defined mankind was its flexibility (one source from DragonLance, IIRC, says "free will").

I fondly remember 2e sources in which a demihuman declares that humans can be artistically inspired as elven minstrels, stubborn as dwarves or ruthless as orc warlords, probably because of their short lifespans, and how they were intriguing and fascinating creatures.

"Goodness is not a natural state, but must be
fought for to be attained and maintained.
Lead by example.
Let your deeds speak your intentions.
Goodness radiated from the heart."

The Paladin's Virtues, excerpt from the "Quentin's Monograph"
(by Ed Greenwood)
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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by Barastir

I think he can corrupt a moonblade, and quite easilly. But as you said, the deity wasn't aware... And I think the Seldarine would keep aware of the moonblades for the reasons mentioned above. But then again, maybe not directly, and maybe they just haven't succeeded. That's why it's not ruining a good plot, but maybe creating a new, deeper one.

I don't think the Seldarine would create the blades for a purpose so high to their People and just not care about it. But maybe they charged someone - proxies, a church, high mages, mortal followers - to take care of the swords. They felt their scheme was perfect and underestimated Moander or his minions... And then you have a novel or adventure explaining why a moonblade was corrupted - if it wasn't one of the copycat swords.


EDIT: typo



I don't think that that the Seldarine are constantly keeping an eye on the moonblades. I think it would be more a case of them blessing the endeavour and then just watching the overall show, without any specific focus anywhere. Yes, rulership of the elves would be important to them, but there are other concerns, too -- like keeping elves alive in general, keeping an eye on the gods that don't like the Seldarine, etc.

They certainly didn't intervene when Evermeet was attacked by the fey'ri, or the Elf-Eater, or when the Elf-Eater ate a Moonflower prince on Moonshae...

And again, if a god can be corrupted without being aware of what's happening to themself, what's to say that even the direct attention of the Seldarine on some 300 swords would notice when one of them wasn't quite to factory spec?

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Barastir
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Posted - 30 Mar 2016 :  14:42:34  Show Profile  Click to see Barastir's MSN Messenger address Send Barastir a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

They certainly didn't intervene when Evermeet was attacked by the fey'ri, or the Elf-Eater, or when the Elf-Eater ate a Moonflower prince on Moonshae...


That's why I said they would take SOME care measure... Maybe putting celestial or mortal minions to take care of the issue. They intervened in the events mentioned, usually through their followers, as gods usually do. That's why I think this would do a good plot. Moander didn't only corrupted a moonblade 'cause no one was watching, he deceived or eliminated the (meager?) protections laid by the Seldarine, and then acted. Or not! Maybe he acted by a copycat sword, maybe it is all just a legend.

For my game, I don't think truth in that matter (and in many others, specially when they involve gods or magic) is very important, and I actually like to let things hazy, specially for PCs.

EDIT: And saving one prince is far from what I was saying would be a priority to the elven People in general. Maybe even if he was the last in his line, for the elves could use the moonblades to choose another lineage. On the other hand, Malar is a lesser power if compared to the Seldarine and released the Ityak-Ortheel more than once, causing a potential damage to all the People (although he was aided by Lolth and Ghaunadar in the 2nd occasion). Instead of preventing him from doing that, they fought the beast, through their followers and using a priestess as an avatar...

"Goodness is not a natural state, but must be
fought for to be attained and maintained.
Lead by example.
Let your deeds speak your intentions.
Goodness radiated from the heart."

The Paladin's Virtues, excerpt from the "Quentin's Monograph"
(by Ed Greenwood)

Edited by - Barastir on 30 Mar 2016 14:52:57
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ElaineCunningham
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This project is sort of playing in the back of my mind, and I've run into a snag: Anything I write about moonblades at this point is going to contain spoilers for RECLAMATION, the unpublished final book of the Songs & Swords series. So I'm leaning toward finishing RECLAMATION to be published on the DM Guild site as serial fiction, then doing the moonblade game supplement after.

If you're interested in this discussion, there's a Reclamation thread in the Chamber of Sages.
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Barastir
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Posted - 31 Mar 2016 :  00:08:21  Show Profile  Click to see Barastir's MSN Messenger address Send Barastir a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Understood. As I have interest in both, I'll wait.

EDIT: ... eagerly!

"Goodness is not a natural state, but must be
fought for to be attained and maintained.
Lead by example.
Let your deeds speak your intentions.
Goodness radiated from the heart."

The Paladin's Virtues, excerpt from the "Quentin's Monograph"
(by Ed Greenwood)

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Nacopa
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I do and will gladly support both!
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Rhaine
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A novel and a supplement? Yes please ;)
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ElaineCunningham
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Posted - 01 Apr 2016 :  15:05:51  Show Profile  Visit ElaineCunningham's Homepage Send ElaineCunningham a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Rhaine

A novel and a supplement? Yes please ;)



NOT a novel. Nope noppity nope. Not even slightly. WotC's exclusive contract with Random House distribution would not permit distribution of a novel on the DM Guild. So we're talking serial fiction. A 4-part adventure. A tale. Better yet, it's game-related lore, "fluff" for the upcoming moonblades game supplement.


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Rhaine
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quote:
Originally posted by ElaineCunningham

quote:
Originally posted by Rhaine

A novel and a supplement? Yes please ;)



NOT a novel. Nope noppity nope. Not even slightly. WotC's exclusive contract with Random House distribution would not permit distribution of a novel on the DM Guild. So we're talking serial fiction. A 4-part adventure. A tale. Better yet, it's game-related lore, "fluff" for the upcoming moonblades game supplement.





hahaha gotcha ;)

Either way, I look forward to it :)
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Thieran
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quote:
Originally posted by ElaineCunningham

This project is sort of playing in the back of my mind, and I've run into a snag: Anything I write about moonblades at this point is going to contain spoilers for RECLAMATION, the unpublished final book of the Songs & Swords series. So I'm leaning toward finishing RECLAMATION to be published on the DM Guild site as serial fiction, then doing the moonblade game supplement after.

If you're interested in this discussion, there's a Reclamation thread in the Chamber of Sages.



This is excellent news!

To answer your question in your OP: I'd happily pay 5-10 USD for the moonblades piece.
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ElaineCunningham
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FYI, the Reclamation thread has been removed. I'm trying to get the go-ahead to post it as serial fiction through DM Guild, and don't want the partial online availability of the first installment to be a deterrent to publication.

As much as I hate to say it, things don't look promising. I haven't received any answers to my queries, and in most cases, no answer IS an answer. I'll give it another try and a couple more weeks.
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Barastir
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Fingers crossed!

"Goodness is not a natural state, but must be
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Lead by example.
Let your deeds speak your intentions.
Goodness radiated from the heart."

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Irennan
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quote:
Originally posted by ElaineCunningham

FYI, the Reclamation thread has been removed. I'm trying to get the go-ahead to post it as serial fiction through DM Guild, and don't want the partial online availability of the first installment to be a deterrent to publication.

As much as I hate to say it, things don't look promising. I haven't received any answers to my queries, and in most cases, no answer IS an answer. I'll give it another try and a couple more weeks.



This is just so disappointing. WotC is slowing (actually, not slowly at all) killing the release of new FR lore, they have launched the DMGuild for that exact reason, they should be *encouraging* authors like you who love the Realms and are willing to still write for the setting, despite all the BS.

If they say that you (and therefore everyone else, I guess) can't publish a serial fiction, then I'll know that FR fiction is truly basically dead, and that WotC just doesn't give a flying anymore.

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ElaineCunningham
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quote:
Originally posted by Irennan

quote:
Originally posted by ElaineCunningham

FYI, the Reclamation thread has been removed. I'm trying to get the go-ahead to post it as serial fiction through DM Guild, and don't want the partial online availability of the first installment to be a deterrent to publication.

As much as I hate to say it, things don't look promising. I haven't received any answers to my queries, and in most cases, no answer IS an answer. I'll give it another try and a couple more weeks.



This is just so disappointing. WotC is slowing (actually, not slowly at all) killing the release of new FR lore, they have launched the DMGuild for that exact reason, they should be *encouraging* authors like you who love the Realms and are willing to still write for the setting, despite all the BS.

If they say that you (and therefore everyone else, I guess) can't publish a serial fiction, then I'll know that FR fiction is truly basically dead, and that WotC just doesn't give a flying anymore.



Well, no one has said that. At least not yet. I won't be surprised is someone does, though. There are strong arguments to be made AGAINST a project of this nature.

It's my understanding that WotC has an exclusive agreement with Random House to distribute novels and novellas. Let's say that serial fiction is considered to be an exclusion (and that's a BIG "if"...) and people start submitting longer stories. Someone at WotC and/or DM Guild is going to have to evaluate those stories on a case-by-case basis to ensure that they don't violate the distribution agreement. But here's the thing: There IS no one at WotC to do this. The fiction department is gone, and upcoming books are being edited by freelancers, so how would they handle the flow of potential stories? Hire people to review them? That strikes me as highly impractical and almost certainly financially unviable. The only thing that makes the DM Guild financially feasible (if indeed it proves to be) is the understanding that fan-written material will NOT be officially reviewed and approved.

That's just one of the potential issues that pops into mind, and since I'm a freelance outsider, I'm sure people who know the situation can think of dozens more. So if RECLAMATION as serial fiction can't happen, I will be disappointed, but I won't be surprised or upset.
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