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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore

Canada
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Posted - 05 Apr 2016 :  02:18:49  Show Profile  Click to see Purple Dragon Knight's MSN Messenger address Send Purple Dragon Knight a Private Message  Reply with Quote
At this point the best outcome I can imagine would be for Paizo to buy the Forgotten Realms license and assign a team to develop it in the same way they did Golarion (Adventure Paths using PRPG rules mainly - no need for companions and campaign setting books at this point; everything's been done). And before you say anything, I know... this is a dream in technicolor as I've heard Paizo people say this will never happen, as they have developed their own world (and have done a fine job, IMO).

A close second would be to have Hasbro sell it's whole D&D umbrella (including FR and all the other "Forgotten" settings...) to someone that has a good creative director and has a shred of vision... That still wouldn't be enough to gain me back or a huge chunk of other ex-customers, though...

But yeah, my first choice would be a Forgotten Realms adventure path by Paizo using a new creative team but using the same support staff from Paizo (and their art connections, distribution network, etc.) If I'd have my cake I'd have the Realms be on the same Prime Material Plane as Golarion.

But I'll be completely honest here: I've moved on to Pathfinder and find the pantheons there more interesting than the Realms' pantheons at this time. Mainly because they are all made alive and vibrant in the myriad of adventure paths and modules published (i.e. Forgotten Realms was great at generating dozens of deities but most of them never got further than their entry in a divine oriented resource book; to make things relevant you have to use them as plot devices in adventures, novels, etc.) Beyond Bane and Lolth, it's as if the other gods and religions had no impact on the campaign setting. When I DMed the Realms back then, I was hard pressed to find temples of Mystra for my players using all the metric tons of FR material I had on hand (it was a near impossible task to figure out where the temples where, maybe two or three in all of the Realms... whereas every town with 5000+ people should have had temple, I mean come on...)

Also, I'd say one thing done right in Pathfinder is that they've said time and again they'll never waste one page writing god stats. Golarion gods have no stats: the GM can have them do anything they want. Golarion gods also do not care about how many souls end up in their afterlife domain: their powers are not dependent on that petty little popularity contest perfected at some point back in 2nd edition FR... so the gods in Golarion actually do their jobs, depending on what they represent. Those who want followers is for their own amusement or goals for the PRIME MATERIAL WORLD (such as the Asmodeus-controlled Empire of Cheliax). Any soul can, on their deathbed, actually change their mind as to where they want to end up, so it makes little sense for some gods to actually care about petitioners (unless you're Asmodeus, and want to shape the Prime a certain way, and you happen to have devils working for you who can produce contracts out of thin air that grant wealth and power to mortals in exchange for their souls... Asmodeus wants souls to feed into the machine that is Hell; i.e. nothing to do with his personal power. There's a few hints of Hell's endgame in the Pathfinder resource books, and how Hell itself might have some kind of sentience...)

Edited by - Purple Dragon Knight on 05 Apr 2016 02:30:17
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CorellonsDevout
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Posted - 05 Apr 2016 :  03:49:36  Show Profile  Send CorellonsDevout an AOL message Send CorellonsDevout a Private Message  Reply with Quote
So a soul ends up with whatever God they choose in the end? I know little about Pathfinder. I bought some of the sourcebooks because I was curious and had been invited to play with a group of mutual friends. That group of friends sadly fell apart, so...no more Pathfinder there.

I am still a big FR fan, but I am interminable Pathfinder

Sweet water and light laughter
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore

Canada
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Posted - 05 Apr 2016 :  14:43:49  Show Profile  Click to see Purple Dragon Knight's MSN Messenger address Send Purple Dragon Knight a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Yes, deathbed repentance works in Golarion. However, if someone actually signed a contract with a devil, his soul will go to the Inner Courts of Pharasma where a representative of Hell will put a claim on the soul. All arguments will be heard and then a decision is made as to where the soul goes. A contract with a devil will most likely result in the soul going to Hell, even if the mortal has deathbed anxiety - assuming the mortal signed of his own free will and all that.

For complicated cases and scenarios, Pharasma herself would preside to judge the soul in question. There's also indications that she judges gods when they die (so gods have some kind of afterlife cycle as opposed to outsiders; the latter go straight to feed the churning Maelstrom energies after they die; the Maelstrom energies are then piped back down to the positive energy plane to create new souls).
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Firestorm
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Canada
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Posted - 05 Apr 2016 :  14:44:06  Show Profile Send Firestorm a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Azuth

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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

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Originally posted by Firestorm


If WOTC wants to promote the realms, they should have jumped on the MMORPG wagon for real awhile back snip



They did. It was called 4E.



It Is called Neverwinter, and it is awful.


I know, which is why I said "really poured money into it to make it a good one".

Which they didn't.
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Bravesteel
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Posted - 06 Apr 2016 :  01:06:20  Show Profile Send Bravesteel a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by sno4wy

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Originally posted by Caolin

I'm just tired of the drow period. Actually I've been tired of them for the last decade. Let's throw in the tieflings as well. I'm even more tired reading about them.

I mean if we're only going to get 4 novels a year, let's mix them up a bit. Enough with the young tiefling romance novels and enough of the stupidly evil race of elves.



I agree with you so much that I'd hug your post if I could. :P



Indeed. Something new would be fabulous. Completely new characters please.

I loved to read and to write, but then something happened. As I made my way through school, I kept getting handed books to read that didn't excite me and didn't even remotely connect to the realities of my life.- R. A. Salvatore

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sfdragon
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Posted - 06 Apr 2016 :  06:54:16  Show Profile Send sfdragon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
neverwinter isn't that aweful, its just not your cup of tea.

why is being a wizard like being a drow? both are likely to find a dagger in the back from a rival or one looking to further his own goals, fame and power


My FR fan fiction
Magister's GAmbit
http://steelfiredragon.deviantart.com/gallery/33539234

Edited by - sfdragon on 06 Apr 2016 06:54:32
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