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BARDOBARBAROS
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Greece
581 Posts |
 Posted - 27 Mar 2016 : 08:57:48
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something new ...also to continue to write for Drizzt but not so often, for example 1 book every 2-3 years
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BARDOBARBAROS DOES NOT KILL.
HE DECAPITATES!!!
"The city changes, but the fools within it remain always the same" (Edwin Odesseiron- Baldur's gate 2) |
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Azuth
Senior Scribe
USA
404 Posts |
Posted - 27 Mar 2016 : 22:33:06
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Originally posted by BARDOBARBAROS
something new ...also to continue to write for Drizzt but not so often, for example 1 book every 2-3 years
I agree on something new, but I'm pretty sure he's contracted to write at least one Drizzt book a year. |
Azuth, the First Magister
Lord of All Spells
The greatest expression of creativity is through Art.
Offense can never be given, only taken. |
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Firestorm
Senior Scribe
Canada
826 Posts |
Posted - 28 Mar 2016 : 13:07:09
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Sigh. Just finished the ARC of the new book.
On one hand, it was an interesting story with some fun and epic stuff. If you are the sort who ignores game statistics and lore, you probably enjoy most Drizzt books anyways so no harm no foul.
If you are a loremaster who believes in roughly following the statbooks as a guide and think a mere warrior can't fight certain beings in single combat and win despite outside interference, you are probably going to chew nails. |
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Caolin
Senior Scribe
768 Posts |
Posted - 28 Mar 2016 : 19:29:28
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Originally posted by Azuth
However, they're not into storytelling like TSR was, so you get a "sourcebook" like Swordcoast Adventures that has characters, places, and gods that were dead/destroyed/absent suddenly back without any explanation.
I've long suspected this, but it still depresses the hell out of me. It just re enforces my cynicism about the Realms and WoTC in general. |
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
3802 Posts |
Posted - 28 Mar 2016 : 19:32:36
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Originally posted by Caolin
I've long suspected this, but it still depresses the hell out of me. It just re enforces my cynicism about the Realms and WoTC in general.
Ikr. I'm happy that all of that has been restored, but those characters, deities and places that have been removed via novels should get at least a basic explanation for their return, not just ''Ao did it''. |
Mathematics is the art of giving the same name to different things. |
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Azuth
Senior Scribe
USA
404 Posts |
Posted - 28 Mar 2016 : 22:10:15
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Originally posted by Irennan
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Originally posted by Caolin
I've long suspected this, but it still depresses the hell out of me. It just re enforces my cynicism about the Realms and WoTC in general.
Ikr. I'm happy that all of that has been restored, but those characters, deities and places that have been removed via novels should get at least a basic explanation for their return, not just ''Ao did it''.
That would require them to pay an author - something they seem reluctant to do. |
Azuth, the First Magister
Lord of All Spells
The greatest expression of creativity is through Art.
Offense can never be given, only taken. |
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Cards77
Senior Scribe
USA
745 Posts |
Posted - 29 Mar 2016 : 16:56:15
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Originally posted by Azuth
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Originally posted by Irennan
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Originally posted by Caolin
I've long suspected this, but it still depresses the hell out of me. It just re enforces my cynicism about the Realms and WoTC in general.
Ikr. I'm happy that all of that has been restored, but those characters, deities and places that have been removed via novels should get at least a basic explanation for their return, not just ''Ao did it''.
That would require them to pay an author - something they seem reluctant to do.
Why pay an author when you can "give the Realms to everyone" and let the DM Guild pump out new material at no cost to you, while you collect a cut of the profits. |
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
3802 Posts |
Posted - 29 Mar 2016 : 17:01:04
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Originally posted by Azuth
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Originally posted by Irennan
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Originally posted by Caolin
I've long suspected this, but it still depresses the hell out of me. It just re enforces my cynicism about the Realms and WoTC in general.
Ikr. I'm happy that all of that has been restored, but those characters, deities and places that have been removed via novels should get at least a basic explanation for their return, not just ''Ao did it''.
That would require them to pay an author - something they seem reluctant to do.
Novels would be awesome to explain that, but at this point I'm not even asking for that much. They could just poke Ed, and he'd provide them with good explanations for how things are the way they are now. WotC could have done during their long hiatus, and Ed would have surely crafted massive amounts of lore in that time. |
Mathematics is the art of giving the same name to different things. |
Edited by - Irennan on 29 Mar 2016 17:04:19 |
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
3802 Posts |
Posted - 29 Mar 2016 : 17:03:25
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Originally posted by Cards77
Why pay an author when you can "give the Realms to everyone" and let the DM Guild pump out new material at no cost to you, while you collect a cut of the profits.
Except that the almost totality of the DMGuild articles consist of rules and has very little to do with the FR :/
But you have a point, since Ed is going to write Realms for the Guild, but I don't know if his books will include any explanation for what changed with the Sundering, since they're going to be Volo guide style books (which are awesome anyway). |
Mathematics is the art of giving the same name to different things. |
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Caolin
Senior Scribe
768 Posts |
Posted - 29 Mar 2016 : 23:46:38
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Originally posted by Cards77
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Originally posted by Azuth
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Originally posted by Irennan
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Originally posted by Caolin
I've long suspected this, but it still depresses the hell out of me. It just re enforces my cynicism about the Realms and WoTC in general.
Ikr. I'm happy that all of that has been restored, but those characters, deities and places that have been removed via novels should get at least a basic explanation for their return, not just ''Ao did it''.
That would require them to pay an author - something they seem reluctant to do.
Why pay an author when you can "give the Realms to everyone" and let the DM Guild pump out new material at no cost to you, while you collect a cut of the profits.
Because not all of us play the actual game. I gave it a try a year back but that only lasted a few months. I remain convinced that there are far more people who used to read the novels but never played the game. WoTC is essentially cutting off most of their fans by neglecting the story. |
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Cards77
Senior Scribe
USA
745 Posts |
Posted - 30 Mar 2016 : 17:13:55
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Originally posted by Caolin
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Originally posted by Cards77
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Originally posted by Azuth
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Originally posted by Irennan
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Originally posted by Caolin
I've long suspected this, but it still depresses the hell out of me. It just re enforces my cynicism about the Realms and WoTC in general.
Ikr. I'm happy that all of that has been restored, but those characters, deities and places that have been removed via novels should get at least a basic explanation for their return, not just ''Ao did it''.
That would require them to pay an author - something they seem reluctant to do.
Why pay an author when you can "give the Realms to everyone" and let the DM Guild pump out new material at no cost to you, while you collect a cut of the profits.
Because not all of us play the actual game. I gave it a try a year back but that only lasted a few months. I remain convinced that there are far more people who used to read the novels but never played the game. WoTC is essentially cutting off most of their fans by neglecting the story.
I guess you couldn't detect my sarcasm. 
'Of course I totally agree with you. I was a fan of the novels at age 12, several years before I was even exposed to any D&D game.
WotC would be smart to harken back to the old TSR wisdom where the novel releases SUPPORT the game products. Like what was done with the Moonshaes in the very beginning. |
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Caolin
Senior Scribe
768 Posts |
Posted - 30 Mar 2016 : 18:01:44
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Originally posted by Cards77
I guess you couldn't detect my sarcasm.
Sorry, my sarcasm extension wasn't working.  |
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Firestorm
Senior Scribe
Canada
826 Posts |
Posted - 01 Apr 2016 : 19:53:59
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Originally posted by Cards77
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Originally posted by Caolin
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Originally posted by Cards77
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Originally posted by Azuth
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Originally posted by Irennan
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Originally posted by Caolin
I've long suspected this, but it still depresses the hell out of me. It just re enforces my cynicism about the Realms and WoTC in general.
Ikr. I'm happy that all of that has been restored, but those characters, deities and places that have been removed via novels should get at least a basic explanation for their return, not just ''Ao did it''.
That would require them to pay an author - something they seem reluctant to do.
Why pay an author when you can "give the Realms to everyone" and let the DM Guild pump out new material at no cost to you, while you collect a cut of the profits.
Because not all of us play the actual game. I gave it a try a year back but that only lasted a few months. I remain convinced that there are far more people who used to read the novels but never played the game. WoTC is essentially cutting off most of their fans by neglecting the story.
I guess you couldn't detect my sarcasm.
'Of course I totally agree with you. I was a fan of the novels at age 12, several years before I was even exposed to any D&D game.
WotC would be smart to harken back to the old TSR wisdom where the novel releases SUPPORT the game products. Like what was done with the Moonshaes in the very beginning.
If WOTC wants to promote the realms, they should have jumped on the MMORPG wagon for real awhile back and really poured money into it to make it a good one. Warcraft books sell extremely well(So says my manager friend who has access to sales reports at Chapters across Canada)
The problem with wanting the good old days back is, a large chunk of people who used to play tabletop moved to video games in the past 15 years, so tabletop product sales were hit hard by the exodus of their primary buyers.
Nobody would have given a crap about warcraft books before WOW became the game. And WOW is nowhere near as popular anymore because better games have come out |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36779 Posts |
Posted - 01 Apr 2016 : 21:54:33
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Originally posted by Firestorm
If WOTC wants to promote the realms, they should have jumped on the MMORPG wagon for real awhile back snip
They did. It was called 4E. |
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Azuth
Senior Scribe
USA
404 Posts |
Posted - 01 Apr 2016 : 22:00:46
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Firestorm
If WOTC wants to promote the realms, they should have jumped on the MMORPG wagon for real awhile back snip
They did. It was called 4E.
It Is called Neverwinter, and it is awful. |
Azuth, the First Magister
Lord of All Spells
The greatest expression of creativity is through Art.
Offense can never be given, only taken. |
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1796 Posts |
Posted - 05 Apr 2016 : 02:18:49
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At this point the best outcome I can imagine would be for Paizo to buy the Forgotten Realms license and assign a team to develop it in the same way they did Golarion (Adventure Paths using PRPG rules mainly - no need for companions and campaign setting books at this point; everything's been done). And before you say anything, I know... this is a dream in technicolor as I've heard Paizo people say this will never happen, as they have developed their own world (and have done a fine job, IMO).
A close second would be to have Hasbro sell it's whole D&D umbrella (including FR and all the other "Forgotten" settings...) to someone that has a good creative director and has a shred of vision... That still wouldn't be enough to gain me back or a huge chunk of other ex-customers, though...
But yeah, my first choice would be a Forgotten Realms adventure path by Paizo using a new creative team but using the same support staff from Paizo (and their art connections, distribution network, etc.) If I'd have my cake I'd have the Realms be on the same Prime Material Plane as Golarion.
But I'll be completely honest here: I've moved on to Pathfinder and find the pantheons there more interesting than the Realms' pantheons at this time. Mainly because they are all made alive and vibrant in the myriad of adventure paths and modules published (i.e. Forgotten Realms was great at generating dozens of deities but most of them never got further than their entry in a divine oriented resource book; to make things relevant you have to use them as plot devices in adventures, novels, etc.) Beyond Bane and Lolth, it's as if the other gods and religions had no impact on the campaign setting. When I DMed the Realms back then, I was hard pressed to find temples of Mystra for my players using all the metric tons of FR material I had on hand (it was a near impossible task to figure out where the temples where, maybe two or three in all of the Realms... whereas every town with 5000+ people should have had temple, I mean come on...)
Also, I'd say one thing done right in Pathfinder is that they've said time and again they'll never waste one page writing god stats. Golarion gods have no stats: the GM can have them do anything they want. Golarion gods also do not care about how many souls end up in their afterlife domain: their powers are not dependent on that petty little popularity contest perfected at some point back in 2nd edition FR... so the gods in Golarion actually do their jobs, depending on what they represent. Those who want followers is for their own amusement or goals for the PRIME MATERIAL WORLD (such as the Asmodeus-controlled Empire of Cheliax). Any soul can, on their deathbed, actually change their mind as to where they want to end up, so it makes little sense for some gods to actually care about petitioners (unless you're Asmodeus, and want to shape the Prime a certain way, and you happen to have devils working for you who can produce contracts out of thin air that grant wealth and power to mortals in exchange for their souls... Asmodeus wants souls to feed into the machine that is Hell; i.e. nothing to do with his personal power. There's a few hints of Hell's endgame in the Pathfinder resource books, and how Hell itself might have some kind of sentience...) |
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CorellonsDevout
Great Reader
USA
2708 Posts |
Posted - 05 Apr 2016 : 03:49:36
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So a soul ends up with whatever God they choose in the end? I know little about Pathfinder. I bought some of the sourcebooks because I was curious and had been invited to play with a group of mutual friends. That group of friends sadly fell apart, so...no more Pathfinder there.
I am still a big FR fan, but I am interminable Pathfinder |
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1796 Posts |
Posted - 05 Apr 2016 : 14:43:49
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Yes, deathbed repentance works in Golarion. However, if someone actually signed a contract with a devil, his soul will go to the Inner Courts of Pharasma where a representative of Hell will put a claim on the soul. All arguments will be heard and then a decision is made as to where the soul goes. A contract with a devil will most likely result in the soul going to Hell, even if the mortal has deathbed anxiety - assuming the mortal signed of his own free will and all that.
For complicated cases and scenarios, Pharasma herself would preside to judge the soul in question. There's also indications that she judges gods when they die (so gods have some kind of afterlife cycle as opposed to outsiders; the latter go straight to feed the churning Maelstrom energies after they die; the Maelstrom energies are then piped back down to the positive energy plane to create new souls). |
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Firestorm
Senior Scribe
Canada
826 Posts |
Posted - 05 Apr 2016 : 14:44:06
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Originally posted by Azuth
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Firestorm
If WOTC wants to promote the realms, they should have jumped on the MMORPG wagon for real awhile back snip
They did. It was called 4E.
It Is called Neverwinter, and it is awful.
I know, which is why I said "really poured money into it to make it a good one".
Which they didn't. |
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Bravesteel
Acolyte
USA
23 Posts |
Posted - 06 Apr 2016 : 01:06:20
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Originally posted by sno4wy
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Originally posted by Caolin
I'm just tired of the drow period. Actually I've been tired of them for the last decade. Let's throw in the tieflings as well. I'm even more tired reading about them.
I mean if we're only going to get 4 novels a year, let's mix them up a bit. Enough with the young tiefling romance novels and enough of the stupidly evil race of elves.
I agree with you so much that I'd hug your post if I could. :P
Indeed. Something new would be fabulous. Completely new characters please. |
I loved to read and to write, but then something happened. As I made my way through school, I kept getting handed books to read that didn't excite me and didn't even remotely connect to the realities of my life.- R. A. Salvatore
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sfdragon
Great Reader
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Posted - 06 Apr 2016 : 06:54:16
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| neverwinter isn't that aweful, its just not your cup of tea. |
why is being a wizard like being a drow? both are likely to find a dagger in the back from a rival or one looking to further his own goals, fame and power
My FR fan fiction
Magister's GAmbit
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Salvatore's Realms Plans
