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Scimitars of Drizzt
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Posted - 14 Sep 2017 :  19:55:04  Show Profile Send Scimitars of Drizzt a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Finally back on the forum, after, roughly, a 1-year hiatus from reading. I've always been the type of person to go in-and-out of reading, but this year-long break has been the lengthiest one yet, and I hope it stays that way.

Anyways, as I strictly only read novels in the Realms, I've decided to return where I've left off in the Legend of Drizzt series.

I'm currently over 100 pages deep into Neverwinter. It's been alright so far, but I want to get into some new series' that isn't Salvatore or Drizzt.

Anyways, Neverwinter is intriguing but I don't know if I'll ever enjoy a Drizzt book as much as I enjoyed the early, early additions.



There are many awesome Realms books outside of Drizzt (though Drizzt is great). The Neverwinter quartet was my least favorite in the Drizzt saga, but it gets better after The Companions, imo.



I agree; personally, I very much enjoyed the WOTSQ series. I've also read Forsaken House, and The Gossamer Plain, and I plan on finishing each respected series. I'm also very much looking forward to delving into other novels of the Realms, such as the works of Cunningham, Greenwood, and others who are well-known in the Realms community. I was surprised to see that there's still another 8 books to go until I reach the most recent installment of the Drizzt saga, Hero. Regardless, I'm eager to catch up to the final book, even if it takes me awhile to get there.



The Last Mythal trilogy was awesome, and anything by Cunningham is great. Neverwinter was not my favorite series within the Drizzt saga, but the last books were pretty good (though I had issues with Maestro. Hero made it all worth it for me LOL.


Good to hear - I did in fact enjoy Forsaken House more than The Gossamer Plain, so I'm not surprised to hear good things regarding The Last Mythal trilogy. Thanks for the input, I will definitely check out Cunningham in due time, as well as eventually make my way to the end of the Drizzt saga. By the way, I have my font size and colour set at normal, so I have no clue why this is large and yellow, lol.

"Surrender now, or we will slay you!" the leader of the creatures called, a bit louder and more forcefully.
"A moment, please, my friend," Zasian said, motioning to the dwarf for patience. "We are discussing your terms."

"Ye heading off with Invo . . . Inno . . . that durned elf?"

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Posted - 14 Sep 2017 :  21:59:59  Show Profile  Send CorellonsDevout an AOL message Send CorellonsDevout a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The font will randomly change after a certain amount of quotations lol.

The rest of the Empyrean Odyssey was good, imo. Gossamer Plain was a bit slow, but the other two are good reads.

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100 pages or so into Neverwinter, and I wasn't very impressed, but I must say, in my opinion, the novel has gotten considerably better.

Warning, as I will be including spoilers in my analysis.

The power struggle between the Netherese and Ashmadai, which started off as nothing special to me, has increased to a pretty darn interesting conflict in my mind.

I enjoy the back-and-forth; in-between believing the Ashmadai have the upper hand, to believing the Netherese have the upper-hand (nearing the end of the book, Valindra's side still seems superior) - while at the same time having third parties such as Drizzt and Dahlia, and arguably the Neverwinter folk, having their own designs. It's a refreshing change from the usual Drizzt adventures - the only Drizzt novel I can think of, of the top of my head that is similar, is The Pirate King, where there's a similar power struggle, but it's just not the same within the confines of a city.

As I'm increasingly enjoying this novel though, I'm hit with something that vexes me greatly... Entreri's return?

I can understand how a lot of readers may be excited, perhaps happy, that Entreri has returned, but when I first read that line where Drizzt acknowledges Barrabus's true identity, I could not help but elicit the most heavy and exaggerated eye roll. Of course, Salvatore...

I don't want to sit here and complain - heck, I literally stopped at the part where Drizzt acknowledges his identity, so far all that I know it isn't entirely true, and maybe there's a catch. I completely doubt that though, this must be Entreri, obviously magically enhanced throughout the years - so it's still him.

I guess all I'm getting at is that this turn of events, Barrabus not even being real - being Entreri the entire time - just annoyed me greatly. I don't even dislike Entreri as a character, it just has to do with the likeliness of it all.

Anyways, that's just my opinion. For those who may have been cheering when Entreri was introduced, honestly that's great, I'm glad you enjoyed the turn of events (maybe you even predicted it... this being the first Drizzt novel I've read in years, I had no clue what Barrabus was referring to when he mentioned previously battling Drizzt; I had maybe thought it a scene in Gauntlgrym that I had forgot). Personally, it just bothers me greatly - it mainly has to do with the realism of the scenario, and how typical I thought it to be that Salvatore maintained a popular character throughout unlikely circumstances. Still, it's definitely not impossible in the world of the Realms, and I'm of course still going to finish the Drizzt saga. To be honest, this isn't the biggest issue I've had with The Legend of Drizzt - in other words, I don't want to rattle anybody the wrong way with my potentially irritating opinion.

Obviously, I can live with this change of events, and I'm still looking forward to the rest of the novel and series. I hate to rant like this, to knock somebody the wrong way who maybe revels the return of Entreri, but it's just my opinion. Heck, Entreri was a good character, it's not to do with that, it's just the unlikeliness of his return following the Spellplague. And I'm sure the story of his prolonged survival is explained in detail.

To conclude, I'm not bashing Salvatore's writing at all, I'm just expressing my opinion on Barrabus/Entreri.




Just wanted to throw this out there real quick. I think Entreri's prolonged life is explained by his vampiric dagger transferring the essence of a shade to him, hence extending his time on Toril. Convenient for Salvatore to be sure.


I see what you mean now; while we knew him as Barrabus, Salvatore does explain how the sword has kept him alive. Which I was aware of, I guess I was seeking more, on to how he became known as Barrabus the Gray. But I'm sure it will be explained.

"Surrender now, or we will slay you!" the leader of the creatures called, a bit louder and more forcefully.
"A moment, please, my friend," Zasian said, motioning to the dwarf for patience. "We are discussing your terms."

"Ye heading off with Invo . . . Inno . . . that durned elf?"

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Posted - 15 Sep 2017 :  07:57:05  Show Profile Send Scimitars of Drizzt a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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The font will randomly change after a certain amount of quotations lol.

The rest of the Empyrean Odyssey was good, imo. Gossamer Plain was a bit slow, but the other two are good reads.



Haha, thanks.

Nice, I am looking forward to finishing the series. The Gossamer Plain was a bit weird for me, parts of the book I enjoyed greatly, and other parts were simply sub-par. All-in-all it was very different from most of the books I've read in the Realms - almost an experimental type of work - but I found that ultimately it was a solid book. Good to hear the other two pick up the pace.

"Surrender now, or we will slay you!" the leader of the creatures called, a bit louder and more forcefully.
"A moment, please, my friend," Zasian said, motioning to the dwarf for patience. "We are discussing your terms."

"Ye heading off with Invo . . . Inno . . . that durned elf?"
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I am once more in that annoying place where I am close to finishing a book, and I really, really want to finish it right now, but other commitments are preventing it...

I'm a hair over 30 pages from finishing Call of Fire, but my lunch break is over, so I'll not be able to get back to it until tonight. And that draws major vacuum!

I think World's End is going to be my next read.

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Scimitars of Drizzt
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Posted - 18 Sep 2017 :  00:12:43  Show Profile Send Scimitars of Drizzt a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I just completed Neverwinter this afternoon, and although awhile back I had stocked up on Drizzt novels knowing I'd eventually read them, I'm taking a break from Salvatore, and reading Darkwalker on Moonshae. I have a bunch of Realms novels on my list, but the only one's I own that I've yet to read are works of Salvatore: Charon's Claw, The Companions, and then the last 2 novels of the Cleric Quintet series.

That is, other than Darkwalker on Moonshae. Funny story behind obtaining that book - I didn't even know I owned the novel until re-evaluating the few books my aunt had given to me about half a year ago; novels she picked up at a yard sale with myself in mind. They were mostly DragonLance books, but I only recently noticed this old Realms book, which had escaped my original acknowledgment of it being a Realms book because of how old it looked. Upon investigation, I was shocked to find that it's actually the first ever published Realms book. I think the copy is an original from 1987.

The book is off to a fair start just 12 pages or so in. Always very interested to start a new adventure in the Realms. I still can't believe this book just happened to be the first published book in the Realms.

"Surrender now, or we will slay you!" the leader of the creatures called, a bit louder and more forcefully.
"A moment, please, my friend," Zasian said, motioning to the dwarf for patience. "We are discussing your terms."

"Ye heading off with Invo . . . Inno . . . that durned elf?"

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Wooly Rupert
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I think World's End is going to be my next read.



I changed my mind at the last minute, and now I'm reading The Magicians. It's good enough that I'm going to at least finish this book, but I'm a significant chunk of the way in, and I still don't see where it's going -- so I'm not sure if I'll be going for books 2 and 3 or not.

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I'm finally reading the Haunted Lands trilogy, as I promised Richard Bryers I would at Gencon 2012. I got a kindle Paperwhite for my birthday, so I am finally getting back to my reading, which fell way-off when they closed all the bookstores.

So far, so good. I find a couple of things a bit weird (things changed over the course of 4e, which invalidated some of what goes on), but story-wise, its solid.

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I'm finally reading the Haunted Lands trilogy, as I promised Richard Bryers I would at Gencon 2012. I got a kindle Paperwhite for my birthday, so I am finally getting back to my reading, which fell way-off when they closed all the bookstores.

So far, so good. I find a couple of things a bit weird (things changed over the course of 4e, which invalidated some of what goes on), but story-wise, its solid.



I need to read those books, myself. I got the Brotherhood of the Griffon books just last year, and less than a month ago finally laid hands on the third book of the Haunted Lands -- I got the first two when they came out, and then somehow never got the third.

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I think I read all the 4e era books lol. I didn't like what had happened, but I wanted to stay on top of things, and there were some good novels in the 4th edition, even if 4e itself wasn't that great.

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I think I read all the 4e era books lol. I didn't like what had happened, but I wanted to stay on top of things, and there were some good novels in the 4th edition, even if 4e itself wasn't that great.



I initially read just 2 of the 4E novels, and found they did not work for me. These tales, though, I have heard only good things about, and I've liked other stuff by Richard Lee Byers, so I decided to try them out.

I just hope they don't turn out to be like other popular series that I wound up disliking... The War of the Spider Queen, for example, has a great many fans -- but I quite thoroughly dislike the series.

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It took me awhile to get in to Haunted Lands. The characters didn't really resonate with me (other than Mirror), but I got through them, and the follow-up series, Brotherhood of the Griffin, was good.

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I'd have to agree with CorellonsDevout on that one. It wasn't a seamless, "can't put it down" kind of thing. Its slow going, but it's starting to pick up momentum.

Probably in both our cases, its more of a "how can I enjoy myself when I don't like where (when) I am?" In the case of the Blades of the Moonsea - which I enjoyed - you can pretty-much ignore the Spellplague and just pretend you are in an earlier era. It feels like the Realms we know. But in this series - despite Richard's excellent writing - you have your face constantly rubbed in Spellplague... you just can't get away from it. It happens DURING a very crucial scene (pivotal battle), and everyone was like, "Mystra's dead... well that sucks". I'm simplifying it, obviously, and he does portray the sweeping changes rather well (going so far as to even mention things happening well outside Thay). So, if you can take a deep breath, you might get past 'the smell'. LOL

I'm hoping books 2 & 3 are less spellplague-focused. Its only the quality of his writing that is keeping me hanging in there.


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I also really enjoyed Blades of the Moonsea. There were a few Spellplague references, but I agree, Markustay, it felt very "Realmsian". For Haunted Lands, I just had trouble getting into it, even without the Spellplague. It just took awhile for me to really care about what was going on. Mirror was probably the only character I really liked. Aoth grew on me later, but it took time. However, the follow-up series (BotG) was quite good, imo.

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Well, it IS Thay, and 'good guys' in Thay would be slimey bastiches anywhere else. LOL

So, yeah - hard to identify with "the best of a VERY bad lot". None of them are particularly likable (except Mirror, as you've pointed out, and it starts off with HIM already dead). That wasn't a spoiler, BTW - I think you find that out on like pg. 1.

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It wasn't so much that they were "not good" lol (I liked several characters in WotSQ, and they couldn't really be considered "good"). I don't necessarily need to relate to a character (sometimes I enjoy it more if I don't), it just took me a while to really care about them.

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I don't need my novel characters to be good, so long as there is still something likable about them and they're not Chaotic Stupid. This only applied to one of the WotSQ characters, IMO.

I forget the name of the character, but there was one slaadi in the Erevis Cale books that I really liked -- the one that was very concerned with his attire.

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I don't need my novel characters to be good, so long as there is still something likable about them and they're not Chaotic Stupid. This only applied to one of the WotSQ characters, IMO.




Drives me crazy when authors have their "evil" characters perish because of stupid decisions.

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I don't need my novel characters to be good, so long as there is still something likable about them and they're not Chaotic Stupid. This only applied to one of the WotSQ characters, IMO.




Drives me crazy when authors have their "evil" characters perish because of stupid decisions.



That was part of why I didn't like the WotSQ -- the characters were Chaotic Stupid, and rather unlikable.

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I don't need my novel characters to be good, so long as there is still something likable about them and they're not Chaotic Stupid. This only applied to one of the WotSQ characters, IMO.

I forget the name of the character, but there was one slaadi in the Erevis Cale books that I really liked -- the one that was very concerned with his attire.



Azriim. I loved him, too. He made me laugh.

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Onto The Two Swords now! I think I'll be taking a break from the Drizzt story line after finishing this book and will either start the WoT series or possibly venture into some other Realms novels. I have a few waiting on my bookshelf. Like Silverfall, Shadowdale, and The Parched Sea to name a few that I've had for a while, but haven't dove into yet.

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Still reading the m/m romance/fantasy/horror Whyborne and Griffin series. The m/m genre is a guilty pleasure of mine, and this serise is one of my favorites.

I have also acquired some more Pathfinder novels that are on my to-read list. I started reading on of the PF novels called Skinwalkers

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I finished The Magicians and was rather disappointed. I'm rather glad I didn't go ahead and spring for the other books; I had considered it, before starting the book.

The main character is rather unlikable. He's perpetually miserable, and has some moments of being a real jerk. He can be a decent dude, most of the time (when he's not being miserable), but he's otherwise lacking in anything redeeming or interesting. A lot of the other characters are rather one-note types, and are similarly just not interesting or appealing.

Most of the book is the buildup to the main character and his friends going to the world of Fillory -- a world they'd all read about as kids, thinking it was fiction. The book takes forever to get to that point, though, and it's not as much a buildup as an aimless, meandering traipse that only points to Fillory about 2/3rds of the way into the book.

And Fillory itself is Narnia with the serial numbers filed off. There are minor differences, but those differences seem to be more for the sake of appearance than making it something truly different.

It does pick up, considerably, once they get to Fillory, but it isn't enough to save the book from being ultimately unsatisfying.

It is not one that I recommend, and I am not likely to read it again. I may not even keep the book.

Also, the name "Fillory" just bugs me. For some reason, it strikes me as one of the worst names I've seen for a fantasy world.

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Sounds almost like the author was trying to put a creative spin on the world "Faerie", but didn't really succeed.

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Or 'filler' (something thats just a placeholder, sort of). Sometimes even a great name can fall flat (like Tarabithia - MAN, was that name wasted on that movie).

I'll steer clear of that one, Wooly. Right now I have to catch up on my FR reading (anything pertaining to the Spellplague because of the geographic changes). Also awaiting the next safehold novel by David Weber.

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