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Artemas Entreri
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Posted - 05 Oct 2015 :  13:56:31  Show Profile Send Artemas Entreri a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I'd trade Mystra for all of the dead gods from Unther/Mulhorand. Seeing Mystra die and come back all the time gets old.

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My vote was yes, also. I love having more regions/cultures in the Realms that have an Earth analogy to it. It helps diversify the setting whenever you want but keep it in the same world/campaign at the same time.
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Mirtek
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Well, some stores already sell the SCAG one day too early and Unther and Mulhurond are back
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Irennan
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quote:
Originally posted by Mirtek

Well, some stores already sell the SCAG one day too early and Unther and Mulhurond are back



The Mulhorandi gods are also back, as demipowers who rule their kingdom.

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Gyor
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Gilgeam is back as well as God King of Unther and mentioned as a choice of Warlock Patron in the realms Undying Pact.
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Gyor
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The Mulhorand Gods are back and so is Gilgeam of the Untherite Pantheon, but in Incarnation form, so you can visit them in Mulhorand and Unther.

This was done without destroying Tymanther, but High Imaskar got exiled into the Purple Plains.

This seems to violate the rule about Gods being distant that they had for 5e.

Also the Mulhorand Gods no longer support slavery, nor are they as culturally isolated. Ra and Horus are seperate again.

I wish they're give more details.

They don't give any domains for the Mulhorand Gods, but its mentioned that God Kings are grant Undying Pacts.
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quote:
Originally posted by Gyor

The Mulhorand Gods are back and so is Gilgeam of the Untherite Pantheon, but in Incarnation form, so you can visit them in Mulhorand and Unther.

This was done without destroying Tymanther, but High Imaskar got exiled into the Purple Plains.
Wait. Is Tymanther still in the 5th edition Forgotten Realms?
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In the instance of the Mulhorandi Gods, I'm fine with having them part of their worshippers world... that's part and parcel of what made their empire interesting to me in the first place.

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Stones Finder
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While I'm pleased to hear that Mulhorand and Unther are coming back, I'm not wild about Gilgeam returning. His death, and the subsequent chaos in Unther, was one of the most interesting things to come out of the Time of Troubles.

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Lilianviaten
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quote:
Originally posted by Stones Finder

While I'm pleased to hear that Mulhorand and Unther are coming back, I'm not wild about Gilgeam returning. His death, and the subsequent chaos in Unther, was one of the most interesting things to come out of the Time of Troubles.




Gilgeam is a cookie cutter tyrant, but I've always wanted to read Shurrupak featured in a novel. He's intriguing.
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Gyor
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quote:
Originally posted by JohnLynch

quote:
Originally posted by Gyor

The Mulhorand Gods are back and so is Gilgeam of the Untherite Pantheon, but in Incarnation form, so you can visit them in Mulhorand and Unther.

This was done without destroying Tymanther, but High Imaskar got exiled into the Purple Plains.
Wait. Is Tymanther still in the 5th edition Forgotten Realms?



Yes, Tymanther has been reduced in size because of a war with Unther, but it still exists, including its capital city. What's left is mostly on the coast.
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combatmedic
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quote:
Originally posted by Gyor

The Mulhorand Gods are back and so is Gilgeam of the Untherite Pantheon, but in Incarnation form, so you can visit them in Mulhorand and Unther.

This was done without destroying Tymanther, but High Imaskar got exiled into the Purple Plains.

This seems to violate the rule about Gods being distant that they had for 5e.

Also the Mulhorand Gods no longer support slavery, nor are they as culturally isolated. Ra and Horus are seperate again.

I wish they're give more details.

They don't give any domains for the Mulhorand Gods, but its mentioned that God Kings are grant Undying Pacts.



Ugh. No temple slavery in Mulhorand now? Sounds like the politically correct police have taken over at Hasbro.

YMMV= Your Mileage May Vary. I'm putting it here so I don't have to type it in every other post. :)
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combatmedic
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quote:
Originally posted by Stones Finder

While I'm pleased to hear that Mulhorand and Unther are coming back, I'm not wild about Gilgeam returning. His death, and the subsequent chaos in Unther, was one of the most interesting things to come out of the Time of Troubles.



Last time I ran FR ( which was really the only time) I wrote up notes about Gilgeam , post Avatar Crisis. He had reunited with his old planar essence. He shifted to LN alignment. Instead of sitting around oppressing his people for the hell of it, he now wished to rebuild the ancient glory of Unther.

YMMV= Your Mileage May Vary. I'm putting it here so I don't have to type it in every other post. :)

Edited by - combatmedic on 11 Nov 2015 20:48:40
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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by combatmedic

quote:
Originally posted by Gyor

The Mulhorand Gods are back and so is Gilgeam of the Untherite Pantheon, but in Incarnation form, so you can visit them in Mulhorand and Unther.

This was done without destroying Tymanther, but High Imaskar got exiled into the Purple Plains.

This seems to violate the rule about Gods being distant that they had for 5e.

Also the Mulhorand Gods no longer support slavery, nor are they as culturally isolated. Ra and Horus are seperate again.

I wish they're give more details.

They don't give any domains for the Mulhorand Gods, but its mentioned that God Kings are grant Undying Pacts.



Ugh. No temple slavery in Mulhorand now? Sounds like the politically correct police have taken over at Hasbro.




Please. I'm tired of the "political correctness" card getting played every time something gets changed.

This is a change in one area, and it has an in-setting explanation. There is still slavery in the other, more popular areas of the Realms.

Using a story to get rid of something negative in one small corner of the setting and not anywhere else is pretty far from being "politically correct".

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combatmedic
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Disagree. Even assuming that slavery must be" negative" brings real world political ideology into the fantasy setting in a way I dislike. The temple slave system in Mulhorand is cool, fun, game worthy, and constitutes a distinct cultural feature.

YMMV

YMMV= Your Mileage May Vary. I'm putting it here so I don't have to type it in every other post. :)

Edited by - combatmedic on 11 Nov 2015 23:02:44
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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by combatmedic

Disagree. Even assuming that slavery must be" negative" brings real world political ideology into the fantasy setting in a way I dislike. The temple slave system in Mulhorand is cool, fun, game worthy, and constitutes a distinct cultural feature.

YMMV



I'm not arguing whether or not the temple slavery was good or bad or what it added to the setting. I'm saying that removing temple slavery from a corner of the Realms that is not part of the main area, and leaving the regular, full-on involuntary slavery everywhere else it exists in the setting, is not political correctness. Political correctness would have been removing all slavery from the entire setting -- not just one small area that most people ignore, anyway.

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Gyor
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by combatmedic

quote:
Originally posted by Gyor

The Mulhorand Gods are back and so is Gilgeam of the Untherite Pantheon, but in Incarnation form, so you can visit them in Mulhorand and Unther.

This was done without destroying Tymanther, but High Imaskar got exiled into the Purple Plains.

This seems to violate the rule about Gods being distant that they had for 5e.

Also the Mulhorand Gods no longer support slavery, nor are they as culturally isolated. Ra and Horus are seperate again.

I wish they're give more details.

They don't give any domains for the Mulhorand Gods, but its mentioned that God Kings are grant Undying Pacts.



Ugh. No temple slavery in Mulhorand now? Sounds like the politically correct police have taken over at Hasbro.




Please. I'm tired of the "political correctness" card getting played every time something gets changed.

This is a change in one area, and it has an in-setting explanation. There is still slavery in the other, more popular areas of the Realms.

Using a story to get rid of something negative in one small corner of the setting and not anywhere else is pretty far from being "politically correct".



While I believe political correctness is getting increasingly goofy and fantatical in society, this is not an instance of it.

High Imaskar already elimated slavery in the region, so when the Mulhorandi Gods over threw the Imaskar as "Liberators", it would be a hard sell to the Mulhorand people to Liberate them by making them slaves.

Also take into account that many of the Mulhorandi Gods'current mortal incarnations/chosen were raised in cultures that frowned and even loathed slavery.

Its why the old books on Mulhorand are useful as history books, but they don't really tell you who the Mulhorandi Gods are now and what the current political climate is like.

Think on this, none of the Mulhorandi Gods current incarnations were raised in a Mulhorandi culture, they were raised in Chessenta, High Imaskar, ect... So they have these ancient memories, but they also have these new current experience, values, ect... That's bound to change them.

Mulhorand is no longer as culturally isolationist.


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combatmedic
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by combatmedic

Disagree. Even assuming that slavery must be" negative" brings real world political ideology into the fantasy setting in a way I dislike. The temple slave system in Mulhorand is cool, fun, game worthy, and constitutes a distinct cultural feature.

YMMV



I'm not arguing whether or not the temple slavery was good or bad or what it added to the setting. I'm saying that removing temple slavery from a corner of the Realms that is not part of the main area, and leaving the regular, full-on involuntary slavery everywhere else it exists in the setting, is not political correctness. Political correctness would have been removing all slavery from the entire setting -- not just one small area that most people ignore, anyway.



Now I disagree even more strongly with you than I did before.
Removing the best example of good aligned deities directly approving of a form of slavery and leaving slavery as a thing done only by designated baddies ( and maybe a few morally ambiguous neutral aligned types ) looks ridiculously PC to me. Actually removing all slavery would have been slightly less PC.

I think all this PC stuff in gaming the new Satanic Panic, and the attempts by nerdy game designers to appease the ever unhappy SJW crowd is the new TSR Code of Ethics. Festhalls! LOL.


We both have strong opinions. I can respect your view, although I do not share it. You might look at Hasbro design and marketing decisions (and those of Paizo, the big competitor) in a very different way than I see these things. That does not make you stupid. It just means we have different understandings of trends. No biggie.

If you do think it is worth further discussion, I'd be happy to read your posts. Maybe in a spin off thread? I don't want to derail this one.

YMMV= Your Mileage May Vary. I'm putting it here so I don't have to type it in every other post. :)
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Gyor
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quote:
Originally posted by combatmedic

Disagree. Even assuming that slavery must be" negative" brings real world political ideology into the fantasy setting in a way I dislike. The temple slave system in Mulhorand is cool, fun, game worthy, and constitutes a distinct cultural feature.

YMMV



I get what your saying, but you can't seperate the slavery issue from HOW the Mulhorand Gods came back and the current situation.

I think if the Mulhorandi Gods had come back and said "Join me and I will Liberate you from freedom and put you IN chains, making slaves of most of you" would be a rough sell, if the Mulhorandi Gods had offered that, the Mulans would have stayed in exile or with the Imaskari.

If you read the section of the SCAG on Mulhorand, while there isn't much, its pretty clear that the Mulhorand Gods presented themselves as Liberators of the Mulan people agianst the restrictions of the High Imaskari, comparing said restrictions to slavery.

So coming back and over throwing the High Imaskari who legally banned slavery, in the name of restoring Liberty, it makes no sense to restore legal slavery.

It Mulhorand: The Next Generation.

Set used to be a priah, now he's a co Pharoh along with the other Mulhorand Gods.

Its the 4th Mulhorand Empire, and its a very different Mulhorand.
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Gyor
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quote:
Originally posted by combatmedic

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by combatmedic

Disagree. Even assuming that slavery must be" negative" brings real world political ideology into the fantasy setting in a way I dislike. The temple slave system in Mulhorand is cool, fun, game worthy, and constitutes a distinct cultural feature.

YMMV



I'm not arguing whether or not the temple slavery was good or bad or what it added to the setting. I'm saying that removing temple slavery from a corner of the Realms that is not part of the main area, and leaving the regular, full-on involuntary slavery everywhere else it exists in the setting, is not political correctness. Political correctness would have been removing all slavery from the entire setting -- not just one small area that most people ignore, anyway.



Now I disagree even more strongly with you than I did before.
Removing the best example of good aligned deities directly approving of a form of slavery and leaving slavery as a thing done only by designated baddies ( and maybe a few morally ambiguous neutral aligned types ) looks ridiculously PC to me. Actually removing all slavery would have been slightly less PC.

I think all this PC stuff in gaming the new Satanic Panic, and the attempts by nerdy game designers to appease the ever unhappy SJW crowd is the new TSR Code of Ethics. Festhalls! LOL.


We both have strong opinions. I can respect your view, although I do not share it. You might look at Hasbro design and marketing decisions (and those of Paizo, the big competitor) in a very different way than I see these things. That does not make you stupid. It just means we have different understandings of trends. No biggie.

If you do think it is worth further discussion, I'd be happy to read your posts. Maybe in a spin off thread? I don't want to derail this one.




There is still Calimshan that's not evil, it was liberated by a Chosen of Ilmater, but might still have slavery.
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quote:
Originally posted by Gyor

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by combatmedic

quote:
Originally posted by Gyor

The Mulhorand Gods are back and so is Gilgeam of the Untherite Pantheon, but in Incarnation form, so you can visit them in Mulhorand and Unther.

This was done without destroying Tymanther, but High Imaskar got exiled into the Purple Plains.

This seems to violate the rule about Gods being distant that they had for 5e.

Also the Mulhorand Gods no longer support slavery, nor are they as culturally isolated. Ra and Horus are seperate again.

I wish they're give more details.

They don't give any domains for the Mulhorand Gods, but its mentioned that God Kings are grant Undying Pacts.



Ugh. No temple slavery in Mulhorand now? Sounds like the politically correct police have taken over at Hasbro.




Please. I'm tired of the "political correctness" card getting played every time something gets changed.

This is a change in one area, and it has an in-setting explanation. There is still slavery in the other, more popular areas of the Realms.

Using a story to get rid of something negative in one small corner of the setting and not anywhere else is pretty far from being "politically correct".



While I believe political correctness is getting increasingly goofy and fantatical in society, this is not an instance of it.

High Imaskar already elimated slavery in the region, so when the Mulhorandi Gods over threw the Imaskar as "Liberators", it would be a hard sell to the Mulhorand people to Liberate them by making them slaves.

Also take into account that many of the Mulhorandi Gods'current mortal incarnations/chosen were raised in cultures that frowned and even loathed slavery.

Its why the old books on Mulhorand are useful as history books, but they don't really tell you who the Mulhorandi Gods are now and what the current political climate is like.

Think on this, none of the Mulhorandi Gods current incarnations were raised in a Mulhorandi culture, they were raised in Chessenta, High Imaskar, ect... So they have these ancient memories, but they also have these new current experience, values, ect... That's bound to change them.

Mulhorand is no longer as culturally isolationist.






They could have enslaved the Imaskari instead of exiling them, no? Wouldn't that be poetic justice, as the Imaskari were the ones who first brought the Mulan to Troil and made them slaves?
Indeed, and bound the gods?

But, sure, removing Mulhorandi gods' support for a form of slavery could be seen not as motivated by marketing concerns and instead a design decision that flowed entirely from the play of world building. I doubt that, in light of some other stuff that is off topic here, but one could see it that way. I don't agree with your argument, but that doesn't mean I have special insight into the design process. You could be right. Or maybe I am.


That is all I have on this one, unless somebody has questions.

YMMV= Your Mileage May Vary. I'm putting it here so I don't have to type it in every other post. :)
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Gyor
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quote:
Originally posted by Stones Finder

While I'm pleased to hear that Mulhorand and Unther are coming back, I'm not wild about Gilgeam returning. His death, and the subsequent chaos in Unther, was one of the most interesting things to come out of the Time of Troubles.



The current Gilgeam actually seems more interesting then the last, he arose in Abier offering to help Liberate the Untherites from domination by other beings back in Abier.

So a war errupted and Gilgeam was close to winning, the final battle was about to be fought when Unther was shifted back to Toril.

So the God King Gilgeam turned his forces against the Dragonborn of Tymanther, driving them towards the coasts mostly. The remaining territory of Tymanther is the most forified, so there appears to be a current stalemate. And the Untherite Fleet is of no use as the waters in Tymanther's remaining territory is protected by some aquatic beast.

And there is tension between between Mulhorand and Unther, because the Mulhorandi control some of Unther's former territory.

Of course nether Mulhorand or Unther would care for the High Imaskari exiled to the Plains of Purple, so the that's more tension.

The Old Empires are filled with tension.

Also cool, Gilgeam is mentioned as a Undying Warlock Patron.
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Gyor
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quote:
Originally posted by combatmedic

quote:
Originally posted by Gyor

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by combatmedic

quote:
Originally posted by Gyor

The Mulhorand Gods are back and so is Gilgeam of the Untherite Pantheon, but in Incarnation form, so you can visit them in Mulhorand and Unther.

This was done without destroying Tymanther, but High Imaskar got exiled into the Purple Plains.

This seems to violate the rule about Gods being distant that they had for 5e.

Also the Mulhorand Gods no longer support slavery, nor are they as culturally isolated. Ra and Horus are seperate again.

I wish they're give more details.

They don't give any domains for the Mulhorand Gods, but its mentioned that God Kings are grant Undying Pacts.



Ugh. No temple slavery in Mulhorand now? Sounds like the politically correct police have taken over at Hasbro.




Please. I'm tired of the "political correctness" card getting played every time something gets changed.

This is a change in one area, and it has an in-setting explanation. There is still slavery in the other, more popular areas of the Realms.

Using a story to get rid of something negative in one small corner of the setting and not anywhere else is pretty far from being "politically correct".



While I believe political correctness is getting increasingly goofy and fantatical in society, this is not an instance of it.

High Imaskar already elimated slavery in the region, so when the Mulhorandi Gods over threw the Imaskar as "Liberators", it would be a hard sell to the Mulhorand people to Liberate them by making them slaves.

Also take into account that many of the Mulhorandi Gods'current mortal incarnations/chosen were raised in cultures that frowned and even loathed slavery.

Its why the old books on Mulhorand are useful as history books, but they don't really tell you who the Mulhorandi Gods are now and what the current political climate is like.

Think on this, none of the Mulhorandi Gods current incarnations were raised in a Mulhorandi culture, they were raised in Chessenta, High Imaskar, ect... So they have these ancient memories, but they also have these new current experience, values, ect... That's bound to change them.

Mulhorand is no longer as culturally isolationist.






They could have enslaved the Imaskari instead of exiling them, no? Wouldn't that be poetic justice, as the Imaskari were the ones who first brought the Mulan to Troil and made them slaves?
Indeed, and bound the gods?

But, sure, removing Mulhorandi gods' support for a form of slavery could be seen not as motivated by marketing concerns and instead a design decision that flowed entirely from the play of world building. I doubt that, in light of some other stuff that is off topic here, but one could see it that way. I don't agree with your argument, but that doesn't mean I have special insight into the design process. You could be right. Or maybe I am.


That is all I have on this one, unless somebody has questions.



The Imaskar cut and ran into the purple desert, there is no one to enslave and given that the High Imaskar outlawed slavery, it would be a hard sell to enslave them. Not that there is anyone left to enslave.

Again despite what many people have said this isn't 1e/2/e/3e reborn, the 5e realms are its own thing, influenced by all previous editions.

People look at the map of most of Faerun and see that the geography is like 1e and then read that many of the lost empires are back, and so are the lost gods, but this is an inche deep and a mile wide.

Too much has happened and none of these regions are like they used to be, many of the NPCs are dead, there are many new players, and there have been a ton of events that changed them. Most places that were in Abier were tramatized by that, Abier was not a friendly place, brutal in fact dominated by dragons lords and primordials.

That sort of experience leaves a legacy.

And there enough holdovers from 4e and new twists in 5e that the whole thing is a new ball game.
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quote:
Originally posted by Gyor

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by combatmedic

quote:
Originally posted by Gyor

The Mulhorand Gods are back and so is Gilgeam of the Untherite Pantheon, but in Incarnation form, so you can visit them in Mulhorand and Unther.

This was done without destroying Tymanther, but High Imaskar got exiled into the Purple Plains.

This seems to violate the rule about Gods being distant that they had for 5e.

Also the Mulhorand Gods no longer support slavery, nor are they as culturally isolated. Ra and Horus are seperate again.

I wish they're give more details.

They don't give any domains for the Mulhorand Gods, but its mentioned that God Kings are grant Undying Pacts.



Ugh. No temple slavery in Mulhorand now? Sounds like the politically correct police have taken over at Hasbro.




Please. I'm tired of the "political correctness" card getting played every time something gets changed.

This is a change in one area, and it has an in-setting explanation. There is still slavery in the other, more popular areas of the Realms.

Using a story to get rid of something negative in one small corner of the setting and not anywhere else is pretty far from being "politically correct".



While I believe political correctness is getting increasingly goofy and fantatical in society, this is not an instance of it.

High Imaskar already elimated slavery in the region, so when the Mulhorandi Gods over threw the Imaskar as "Liberators", it would be a hard sell to the Mulhorand people to Liberate them by making them slaves.

Also take into account that many of the Mulhorandi Gods'current mortal incarnations/chosen were raised in cultures that frowned and even loathed slavery.

Its why the old books on Mulhorand are useful as history books, but they don't really tell you who the Mulhorandi Gods are now and what the current political climate is like.

Think on this, none of the Mulhorandi Gods current incarnations were raised in a Mulhorandi culture, they were raised in Chessenta, High Imaskar, ect... So they have these ancient memories, but they also have these new current experience, values, ect... That's bound to change them.

Mulhorand is no longer as culturally isolationist.







very good arguments. I had seen Mulhorand coming back differently (i.e. they return from Abeir where their culture would have remained more intact), so this factor will change Mulhorand. Unther on the other hand seems to have returned from Abeir, so it will have a definitely different cultural view. Considering that some of Unther was Mulhorandi.... that also brings in some interesting ideas. I need to ponder this.

Alavairthae, may your skill prevail

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Posted - 12 Nov 2015 :  17:19:14  Show Profile Send combatmedic a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Abeir sounds pretty hardcore.

I like that they did not just wave the retcon wand at 4E FR.


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