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Gyor
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Posted - 23 Oct 2015 :  11:49:50  Show Profile Send Gyor a Private Message  Reply with Quote
To be honest I'm wondering why I should get this book, this book seems like a half ass substitute for a proper FRCG and Forgotten Realms Players guide squished into one and mostly for only one region. And they let out Sharess.
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Question if anyones got the Book, Whats the back story of the Monk of the Long Death in the current era? Are they tied to the Chruch of Bhaal now? What have they been doing since the Spellplague?

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Posted - 23 Oct 2015 :  12:08:32  Show Profile Send dazzlerdal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
If you are unsure then you probably shouldn't buy it (at least until you have tried it and like it).
The past practise of blanket support for realms products can no longer apply to the current product line because of its middling quality and total lack of information (all my opinion of course).

I won't be buying it, I seriously doubt there is anything of value in its pages that I could not have thought up in 5 minutes (and that's ignoring the fact it is in completely the wrong century).

I'm not sure who they are appealing to with this book, and I don't think WoTC are sure either.

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Irennan
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Posted - 23 Oct 2015 :  12:58:27  Show Profile Send Irennan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by CorellonsDevout

To just say "they're back" doesn't really satisfy anything. I want the who/what/when/where/how, please. Tome, at least, you can't talk about the mortal followers without talking about the gods themselves, like they have in the past, but we'll have to see what those 20 pages are about.



I agree with you, totally. Up to now they seem to have only said who (those listed), but WotC will likely never talk about the rest. How= Ao and the Sundering did it. It's not satisfying, at all, but we're not likely to get further explanation, except in passages within novels, like Ed is known to do.

Also, the non human deities seem to get a small description, but only in the section regarding their race, not in the one about the gods (only human gods seem to get a desription there).

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Irennan
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Posted - 23 Oct 2015 :  13:56:50  Show Profile Send Irennan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by dazzlerdal

If you are unsure then you probably shouldn't buy it (at least until you have tried it and like it).
The past practise of blanket support for realms products can no longer apply to the current product line because of its middling quality and total lack of information (all my opinion of course).

I won't be buying it, I seriously doubt there is anything of value in its pages that I could not have thought up in 5 minutes (and that's ignoring the fact it is in completely the wrong century).

I'm not sure who they are appealing to with this book, and I don't think WoTC are sure either.



They are trying to appeal to new players, likely, with a nod to fans of the FR, by saying that their favourite gods/lands are restored. But it is just a nod.

I haven't bought anything WotC, save for Elminster's FR and Ed's novels, as they tend to include some nice bits of lore, but I could be getting this book, if just to get an overview. I'll wait to know what kind of details the book has on the various locations, and what kind of info are included in those ''small descriptions'' for the gods.

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Gyor
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Posted - 23 Oct 2015 :  16:14:20  Show Profile Send Gyor a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Holy crude, from anything I've heard this is aweful, they have a few cool things like the cantrips, subraces, tiefling and Half Elf variants, and some ofthe subclasses, but not enough to justifying buying this.

The fluff elements sound way too thin to saatisfy those looking for that, the crunch is too few to justify buying it as a splat book, they left out gods which will turn off thier fans, some classes get two subclasses, others get none, its too much of a mess from what I'm hearing for new fans and not enough stubstance for old fans, the sidebars with a few exceptions seem disappointing. The book tries to be too many things and is too small to pull it off.

5e had so much promise, I love the corebooks, Elemental Evil Guide was good except the Genasi should be redone they're horrible and unbalanced.

The only bright spot is we actual know for certain that Mulhorand and Unther are back and so are they're gods, as demigods ruling Mulhorand, with Gilgeam ruling Unther again (so I guess they're an exception to the distant Gods theme for the realms). No domain info, so you can't pick them as a cleric, but it appears you can make a Warlock Undying Pact with them, basically misunderstanding the Incarnation concept turning them into Mulhorand/Unther style Sorceror Kings of Athlas, but possible with Chosen.

The Dragonborn seem to be running around confused, WotC can't get rid of them now, they're spread across Faerun as refugees from Dragon Tyrants in Returned Abier and as Merchants and Adventurers from Tymanther, but now both are gone as WotC has no idea what to do with them.

This is weird and confusing and we need a proper FRCG?

Assimar has a side bar and from what I hear, it amounts to read the DMG, which is pathetic. Why bother having the side bar, the DMG is not a player resource.

AL has a bunch of restrictive rules that are just bad, from ruining the Acolyte Background, to story origins, ect...

From what I can scrap together the realms are mostly like they were, but scarred slightly by 4e and the now eneded spellplague, but with way more Chosen.

Its sounds interesting, too bad were not getting the proper book support to actually use it.

Does anyone else feel this way?
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Irennan
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Posted - 23 Oct 2015 :  16:21:28  Show Profile Send Irennan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I feel that they should have used the 50-60 pages that are currently taken by crunch and guidelines for adaptation to other settings, to expand on the bare bones lore currently included (some more info on regions outside the SC, on deities etc). Rules and adaptation guides could always be delivered through online documents...

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Irennan
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Posted - 23 Oct 2015 :  16:32:17  Show Profile Send Irennan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Gyor

From what I can scrap together the realms are mostly like they were, but scarred slightly by 4e and the now eneded spellplague, but with way more Chosen.




If we include the changes reported in the novels, it almost seems like FR has been rebooted to pre-return of Shade, with some small differences (like the dragonborns, or some particular character missing).

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Gyor
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Posted - 23 Oct 2015 :  17:32:29  Show Profile Send Gyor a Private Message  Reply with Quote
On the surface, most of the basic geography has been returned, the lost nation states have returned and the Abieran Nation States have been sent back. Some things may have been rebuilt.

But the echo of the past is still there. Tieflings, Genasi, Dragonborn are far more common then before, thier are far more Drow on the surface and people are more used to see Drow on the Surface.

The Goliaths have mad an appearance as have possibly other 4e races (at least I don't think Goliaths were added to the realms till 4e, late 3e).

The feywild and Shadowfell are to my knowledge still there, as if the elemental Choas abit comingled with the old elemental planes.

Chosen have sprouted like wildflowers.

Warlocks are now common and Paladin's are now far more a diverse group.

People know of Abier and might still be able to visit it.

People still remember the spellplague, the formerly spellscarred won't forget what they've lost and what they're regained. (I think having the spell scarred be in some cases turned into wild sorcerors in fitting).

There are all kinds of trade goods, special ore only the Genasi had access too, weapons made by the Dragonborn, all kinds of stuff from the Dusk Ports.

Then there stanger things, like the Faerun part of the Eminence of Aruant that portal using confederation of undead.

Many of the old rulers are dead, so politics has changed. Many new races have been introduced.

A few 4e based empires I think are staying.

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Irennan
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Posted - 23 Oct 2015 :  20:14:14  Show Profile Send Irennan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The book also further confirms that Halruaa is back (but it says that its mages shifted it to Abeir shortly before the Spellplague, and returned it to Toril after the Sundering). Luiren is no longer flooded, and is slowly being re-settled by halflings.

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Gyor
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Posted - 24 Oct 2015 :  02:57:34  Show Profile Send Gyor a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Its not just Sharess that's left out, but most of the demigods. That's very disappointing, they were supposed to bring the Pantheons back, not dump the demigods.
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Irennan
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Posted - 24 Oct 2015 :  03:11:15  Show Profile Send Irennan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Gyor

Its not just Sharess that's left out, but most of the demigods. That's very disappointing, they were supposed to bring the Pantheons back, not dump the demigods.



I understand your disappointment, but they obviously didn't kill off or dump Sharess or other exarchs/demigods that were known to be alive pre-Sundering.

Everything in that book seems to be bare-bone, save for the Sword Coast section (I don't know how detailed it is).

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CorellonsDevout
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Posted - 24 Oct 2015 :  03:19:41  Show Profile  Send CorellonsDevout an AOL message Send CorellonsDevout a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Meh, I wish they'd put meat on the bare bones

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Irennan
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Posted - 24 Oct 2015 :  03:25:26  Show Profile Send Irennan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by CorellonsDevout

Meh, I wish they'd put meat on the bare bones



I wish too, but I'm losing hope for any lore that goes beyond the very essential.

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Wooly Rupert
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I've removed a post from this thread. While I understand that people are already sharing content from the book in various ways, I should prefer that we not link to anything from the book unless it's something from WotC. I prefer to keep the collective backside covered.

Of course, discussing content and even posting properly attributed snippets of text is fine -- I'm just not comfortable with pictures of pages and such from 3rd party sources.

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Irennan
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Posted - 24 Oct 2015 :  14:01:45  Show Profile Send Irennan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

I've removed a post from this thread. While I understand that people are already sharing content from the book in various ways, I should prefer that we not link to anything from the book unless it's something from WotC. I prefer to keep the collective backside covered.

Of course, discussing content and even posting properly attributed snippets of text is fine -- I'm just not comfortable with pictures of pages and such from 3rd party sources.



Sorry Wooly, didn't mean to cause any potential troubles. May the map still be shared, or would it be better not to?

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Delwa
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Posted - 24 Oct 2015 :  16:33:31  Show Profile  Visit Delwa's Homepage Send Delwa a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Irennan

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

I've removed a post from this thread. While I understand that people are already sharing content from the book in various ways, I should prefer that we not link to anything from the book unless it's something from WotC. I prefer to keep the collective backside covered.

Of course, discussing content and even posting properly attributed snippets of text is fine -- I'm just not comfortable with pictures of pages and such from 3rd party sources.



Sorry Wooly, didn't mean to cause any potential troubles. May the map still be shared, or would it be better not to?


Mike Schley said on Twitter the other day that he'd be making the big map available on his site Monday. I'm not sure if he meant as a print ordigital download, but either way it'll be a WotC sanctioned image. If Wooly isn't comfortable with the map being shared via screen shot/photo now, you'll have a legitimate link to share then. I'll try and stay on top of things and share the link as soon as I see it.

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Irennan
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Posted - 24 Oct 2015 :  16:39:54  Show Profile Send Irennan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Delwa

Mike Schley said on Twitter the other day that he'd be making the big map available on his site Monday. I'm not sure if he meant as a print or digital download, but either way it'll be a WotC sanctioned image. If Wooly isn't comfortable with the map being shared via screen shot/photo now, you'll have a legitimate link to share then. I'll try and stay on top of things and share the link as soon as I see it.



Ok, thank you Delwa.

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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by Delwa

quote:
Originally posted by Irennan

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

I've removed a post from this thread. While I understand that people are already sharing content from the book in various ways, I should prefer that we not link to anything from the book unless it's something from WotC. I prefer to keep the collective backside covered.

Of course, discussing content and even posting properly attributed snippets of text is fine -- I'm just not comfortable with pictures of pages and such from 3rd party sources.



Sorry Wooly, didn't mean to cause any potential troubles. May the map still be shared, or would it be better not to?


Mike Schley said on Twitter the other day that he'd be making the big map available on his site Monday. I'm not sure if he meant as a print ordigital download, but either way it'll be a WotC sanctioned image. If Wooly isn't comfortable with the map being shared via screen shot/photo now, you'll have a legitimate link to share then. I'll try and stay on top of things and share the link as soon as I see it.



That works.

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Gyor
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Posted - 24 Oct 2015 :  22:33:26  Show Profile Send Gyor a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Irennan

quote:
Originally posted by Gyor

Its not just Sharess that's left out, but most of the demigods. That's very disappointing, they were supposed to bring the Pantheons back, not dump the demigods.



I understand your disappointment, but they obviously didn't kill off or dump Sharess or other exarchs/demigods that were known to be alive pre-Sundering.

Everything in that book seems to be bare-bone, save for the Sword Coast section (I don't know how detailed it is).



Just curious, you could be right, but why do you day that.
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Irennan
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Posted - 24 Oct 2015 :  22:48:36  Show Profile Send Irennan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Gyor

quote:
Originally posted by Irennan

quote:
Originally posted by Gyor

Its not just Sharess that's left out, but most of the demigods. That's very disappointing, they were supposed to bring the Pantheons back, not dump the demigods.



I understand your disappointment, but they obviously didn't kill off or dump Sharess or other exarchs/demigods that were known to be alive pre-Sundering.

Everything in that book seems to be bare-bone, save for the Sword Coast section (I don't know how detailed it is).



Just curious, you could be right, but why do you day that.



Because:
1)It is stated nowhere that the demigods were killed during the Sundering.
2)We know that at least 2 demigods, Selvetarm and Kiaransalee, have been restored. So restoring them and removing other demigods would make no sense whatsoever.
3)We know that the full Mulhorandi pantheon, probably including Bast, are now demigods ruling their land.
4)It would be a way to alienate more fans, while ganining nothing.
5)Almost every god that received significant lore/appearances since the ToT has been restored. From what I've gathered, few gods didn't make into that list. Sharess is one, but she's known to be alive, she could be included, as Bast, under the Mulhorandi gods, who were included in the book (also, as you say, Erin Evans mentions her, even if I don't recall in what context). I'm worried for Velsharoon and Savras, since they don't seem to appear anywhere in the book.

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Gyor
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Posted - 24 Oct 2015 :  23:30:53  Show Profile Send Gyor a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Spoiler alert




She was mentioned when Farideh was looking up the Symbol on a War Wizards soul that would show what God had Chosen, Sharess was one of the Gods she compared the symbol too. The Wizard was the Chosen of Azuth.
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Gyor
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Posted - 24 Oct 2015 :  23:32:32  Show Profile Send Gyor a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I guess I'll just assume she's hanging out in Mulhorand for now.
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quote:
Originally posted by Gyor

Does anyone else feel this way?

Nope. Haven't read the book yet.

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Irennan
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What was said in ''The Reaver'' about Lathander and Amaunator being the same seems to no longer be valid.

quote:
Each Faerunian deity has a 3-4 paragraph blurb describing them, both are their own things. Amaunators talks about how he is the god of law and the sun, that he is seen as a stern and unforgiving god, not unlike Silvanus, also talking how people will swear oaths, sign contracts, and declaring laws under the light of the sun in veneration to him. It does mention that he has died and been reborn time and again.

Lathander is described as the god of spring, youth, vitality, renewal, and it specifically mentions that he is not a god of the sun but of the dawn, which is the start of a new day filled with potential.


Also, they are not described as being related, in any way.

EDIT: Thinking about it, the part about Amaunator having died and been reborn time and again, could refer to when Lathander took over, and that he currently answers to prayers directed to both Amaunator and Lathander.

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