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sleyvas
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Posted - 03 Oct 2015 :  12:13:27  Show Profile Send sleyvas a Private Message  Reply with Quote
btw, when is this coming out again? I'm definitely buying it, because I want to see where they're bringing the realms. I wish they'd come out with some kind of new crunch rulebooks as well for 5e, because the current options are limited for spellcasters when it comes to multi-classing.

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Irennan
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Posted - 03 Oct 2015 :  12:38:54  Show Profile Send Irennan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by sleyvas

btw, when is this coming out again? I'm definitely buying it, because I want to see where they're bringing the realms. I wish they'd come out with some kind of new crunch rulebooks as well for 5e, because the current options are limited for spellcasters when it comes to multi-classing.



November 3rd.

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Irennan
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Posted - 03 Oct 2015 :  13:18:40  Show Profile Send Irennan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by sleyvas
My wonder is will this just be verbatim reprints of lore we got in faiths and avatars (like the skull bowling entry I see).



Perhaps. Now that I think about it, F&A had a ''rotten luck'' (or something along those lines) and a ''the legend of knucklebones...'' sidebars. So perhaps they're just going to repeat those, albeit probably summarized, as I don't see them wanting to use much space for those myths, when there's a lot of updates needed on the various gods' recent history.

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Gyor
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Posted - 03 Oct 2015 :  18:57:07  Show Profile Send Gyor a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dargoth

Ok there appears to be 21 page of godly goodness (hopefully some of it expalsining whose back whose not and how)

Half elf and tiefling Varients could be interesting maybe they will be templates as Varients

1 and 2 page entries for Cleric and Paladin are rather disappointing I was hoping for more class options



Look at it again, the Cleric gets a new domain and the Paladin gets a list of orders, and a new oath. Also the Tiefling section has both a side bar for variants and the Aasmir side bar, I wonder if it either gives what you need for the Aasmir or allows you to utilize the Tiefling Variants somehow with a shift in fluff. I guess we will see.
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Jeremy Grenemyer
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Posted - 03 Oct 2015 :  23:40:24  Show Profile Send Jeremy Grenemyer a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Irennan

My guess is ...
That's the minimum I expect.

My curiosity has more to do with whether or not the writer working on the deity section of the book will continue what was done in EGP:EFR, namely will they show updated information?

The descriptions for the deities should be slightly different than what they were in the 4E FRCG, and the 3E FRCS before that, in order to reflect the changing times and changing beliefs in the Realms.

Since we didn't get a follow up to EGP:EFR, does that mean WotC are only interested in providing basic information? How much leeway did the writer (or writers, if that section was shared) have? Is WotC concerned about having what's written in the 5E PHB about deities match exactly what's written in SCAG?

Or will they surprise us with deity writeups that reflect what's believed and known along the Sword Coast only?

Time will tell.

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Irennan
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Posted - 04 Oct 2015 :  00:50:17  Show Profile Send Irennan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Jeremy Grenemyer

That's the minimum I expect.

[...]

Since we didn't get a follow up to EGP:EFR, does that mean WotC are only interested in providing basic information? How much leeway did the writer (or writers, if that section was shared) have? Is WotC concerned about having what's written in the 5E PHB about deities match exactly what's written in SCAG?




Heh, that's the maximum that I expect. If I had to take a bet, I'd say that they'll keep info at generic level. The fact that they are also going to offer a ''tremendous wealth'' of patrons, to use their expression, also points towards genericty, plus an update to post-Suncering status.

quote:
[...]My curiosity has more to do with whether or not the writer working on the deity section of the book will continue what was done in EGP:EFR, namely will they show updated information?

The descriptions for the deities should be slightly different than what they were in the 4E FRCG, and the 3E FRCS before that, in order to reflect the changing times and changing beliefs in the Realms.

Or will they surprise us with deity writeups that reflect what's believed and known along the Sword Coast only?

Time will tell.



If we have to go by the article regarding this book that they posted on their site, they'll tell us, rather explicitly, the state of the various FR deities post-Sundering.

A write up that takes in account the various beliefs would also take up too much space and provide too many details for their goal (IMO, ofc).

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Dargoth
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Posted - 04 Oct 2015 :  08:42:19  Show Profile  Visit Dargoth's Homepage Send Dargoth a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Anymore of the book been posted?

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Delwa
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Posted - 04 Oct 2015 :  15:54:12  Show Profile  Visit Delwa's Homepage Send Delwa a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dargoth

Anymore of the book been posted?


Yes. I'll get on links. They haven't updated the wotc page since Friday. Both the Green Flame blade and urban bounty hunter have been released via Twitter. I'm guessing they'll update the Extra Life Web page Monday.


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JohnLynch
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Posted - 05 Oct 2015 :  13:27:16  Show Profile Send JohnLynch a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Caladan Brood

How do people cope with the fact that evil - truly evil - gods are out and about
Here is my draft writeup on AbbathorCreed

To encourage greed amongst the wealthy and powerful of society. Everyone should embrace the value of gold and riches and devote their lives in it’s acquisition. Nothing should be exchanged freely and you should always seek the greatest benefit to you in all negotiations.
Secular Aims

To legalize all forms of trade in order to see the least amount of barriers for people in pursuit of the acquisition of wealth. Once a method of trade has become legalized, sponsor others in it’s pursuit in order to get them to become indebted to you.

Priests should provide a wealth of services, ensuring that they charge for each and every one. Upfront payment isn’t required, but they should be indebted and those debts should have a recovery method outlined and agreed to.

Priests can often act as negotiators between traders, acting in the capacity of an impartial third party. The prices they charge are often quite high making their involvement rare and only in cases where reaching the deal is difficult but has potential for large profits.

The attainment of wealth is not only permissible, but encouraged. The church requires a tithe of 20% among it’s priesthood and a percentage dependent on how much aid someone has received from the church.
He's gone from the evil dwarven deity of thieves and rogues ("Abbathor and his followers believed in the acquisition of all forms of wealth by any and all means necessary.") to someone that's respectable, petitions the government and works within the system and is actually sought out when lucrative contracts are available but the parties are having difficulty reaching a compromise on the terms of engagement.

quote:
Originally posted by Caladan Brood

and how do DMs choose just how much of an influence the gods have in their Realms?
I personally prefer to have the gods act through the clergy. Any canonical reference to a god becomes a reference to their priest(s). This provides players with the ability to actually affect the outcome of what occurs.

As for the book I'll definitely get it. But as someone whose got Forgotten Realms Adventurer's Guide (2nd ed CSG), 4th edition Campaign Setting Guide and Player's Guide, Faiths & Avatars and Ed Greenwood Presents Elminster's Forgotten Realms I'm expecting the flavour won't be the most useful to me (especially as I'm playing in the 1350s) but I'll be interested in the mechanics as well as seeing if there's new information that's highlighted in the setting portion.
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Irennan
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Posted - 08 Oct 2015 :  03:45:31  Show Profile Send Irennan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Found this post: http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?468706-Some-recent-tweets/page8&p=6722695&viewfull=1#post6722695 on Enworld. The bit about Eilistraee and Vhaeraun pretty much confirms that the book will at least have updates on non-human gods (even if at this point it was kind of expected, given the 20 pages on them).

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Dargoth
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Posted - 08 Oct 2015 :  05:21:14  Show Profile  Visit Dargoth's Homepage Send Dargoth a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Irennan

Found this post: http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?468706-Some-recent-tweets/page8&p=6722695&viewfull=1#post6722695 on Enworld. The bit about Eilistraee and Vhaeraun pretty much confirms that the book will at least have updates on non-human gods (even if at this point it was kind of expected, given the 20 pages on them).



I actually just finished rereading Acendency of the Last and I assume that Vhaeraun and Eilistraee where sharing the same body after Vhaeraun died and that because Eilistraee was occupying Qilues body when she died both Eilistraee and Vhaeruns personalities where dragged into the weave and trapped there when Mystra died until it could be reformed after the Sundering

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Irennan
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Posted - 08 Oct 2015 :  13:03:59  Show Profile Send Irennan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I don't know if WotC will provide an explanation for the return of the reborn deities, but for Eilistraee and Vhaeraun I'd prefer the lore that Brian James/Eric Menge wrote for the 4e Menzo source, and that was cut by the editors. I'm just glad to see that the racial deities won't be neglected in this book.

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GungHo
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Posted - 08 Oct 2015 :  17:17:15  Show Profile  Visit GungHo's Homepage Send GungHo a Private Message  Reply with Quote
As far as explanations go, I could settle for page one being a picture of a dial pointing to "1999" and a red button beside it labeled "reset". Or the Back to the Future Delorean dashboard. I'm easy.
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Dargoth
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Posted - 08 Oct 2015 :  22:42:20  Show Profile  Visit Dargoth's Homepage Send Dargoth a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Irennan

I don't know if WotC will provide an explanation for the return of the reborn deities, but for Eilistraee and Vhaeraun I'd prefer the lore that Brian James/Eric Menge wrote for the 4e Menzo source, and that was cut by the editors. I'm just glad to see that the racial deities won't be neglected in this book.



What lore is that?

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Irennan
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Posted - 08 Oct 2015 :  23:24:20  Show Profile Send Irennan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dargoth

quote:
Originally posted by Irennan

I don't know if WotC will provide an explanation for the return of the reborn deities, but for Eilistraee and Vhaeraun I'd prefer the lore that Brian James/Eric Menge wrote for the 4e Menzo source, and that was cut by the editors. I'm just glad to see that the racial deities won't be neglected in this book.



What lore is that?



In short, from what I understand:

Eilistraee and Vhaeraun teamed up to form the Masked Lady. After that, when the Masked Lady inhabited Qilué's body and the Lady Penitent killed the chosen, they renounced to their divinity, and their power was consumed to lift Corellon's curse from their followers. Because of that, Eilistraee and Vhaeraun became separate entities again, but non divine archfey. In that form, during the Spellplague era, they kept working together to free the drow from Lolth, and kept lifting the curse from those drow who went to them in the Feywild Underdark.

In that hypothesis, the Sundering could simply see Eilistraee and Vhaeraun recover their divinity, instead of flat-out returning.

Brian James and Eric Menge also produced lore about Rhymanthiin, regarding this event. However all the content didn't make the final cut. WotC still owns it, so Idk if it can be shared, if they don't publish it.

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Dargoth
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Posted - 20 Oct 2015 :  12:14:09  Show Profile  Visit Dargoth's Homepage Send Dargoth a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Anyone planning to pick this up on friday?

Apparently its avaliable at prefered WoTC stores on the 23rd

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dazzlerdal
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Not me, I'm busy checking out the araurra at onder Librum for the new Hell Maw setting.

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CorellonsDevout
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Posted - 20 Oct 2015 :  13:41:11  Show Profile  Send CorellonsDevout an AOL message Send CorellonsDevout a Private Message  Reply with Quote
There isn't a WotC store near me anymore, so I pre-ordered it online.

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Delwa
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Posted - 20 Oct 2015 :  15:15:34  Show Profile  Visit Delwa's Homepage Send Delwa a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Sadly, no. Budget constraints said I had to get this one via Amazon this time.

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Rymac
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Posted - 20 Oct 2015 :  21:47:32  Show Profile  Visit Rymac's Homepage Send Rymac a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I'll be picking it up Friday. However, I won't have a good chance to sit down and read it until Sunday.
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Posted - 20 Oct 2015 :  22:45:14  Show Profile  Visit Faraer's Homepage Send Faraer a Private Message  Reply with Quote
For once, I'm after rules from this as much as setting content. The two big gaps for running the current D&D in the Realms are a non-specialist mage class, specialists being uncommon in Faerûn, and all the missing cleric domains. One hopes these are priorities over a subclass for the non-existent 'Purple Dragon Knight' . . .
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Dargoth
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Posted - 21 Oct 2015 :  00:10:57  Show Profile  Visit Dargoth's Homepage Send Dargoth a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Faraer

For once, I'm after rules from this as much as setting content. The two big gaps for running the current D&D in the Realms are a non-specialist mage class, specialists being uncommon in Faerûn, and all the missing cleric domains. One hopes these are priorities over a subclass for the non-existent 'Purple Dragon Knight' . . .



I agree

While Im glad they made it possible to start on a "PrC" from level 1 in 5ed the lack of variety (Especially in the Monks, Paladins and Cleric classes) is disappointing

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Joran Nobleheart
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Posted - 21 Oct 2015 :  04:14:55  Show Profile  Visit Joran Nobleheart's Homepage Send Joran Nobleheart a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I'm rather excited to see how they've worked the bladesinger in 5E. I ordered a copy on Amazon, and can't wait for it to arrive. I'm hoping the bladesinger is more like 2E, especially when it comes to lore on the class. When someone gets their copy, I'd appreciate knowing about the class, if no one minds.

Didn't I read somewhere that the bladesinger is a archetype for the elven wizard in 5E?

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CorellonsDevout
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Posted - 21 Oct 2015 :  04:35:34  Show Profile  Send CorellonsDevout an AOL message Send CorellonsDevout a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I'm hoping for updates on deities and places

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Irennan
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Posted - 23 Oct 2015 :  02:11:54  Show Profile Send Irennan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The book has been picked up by some people. They have mainly been discussing the crunch, but some lore has leaked. In short, as long as geography is concerned Unther/Mulhorand are back (the dragonborn are now homeless people scattered across Farun). The deities section has a paragraph saying that the Sundering brought back the gods, and then proceeds to list the gods of the present era, by pantheons. From what I've gathered, the racial pantheons are complete once again (the Dwarven gods, including the duergar, are all back; the Dark Seldarine includes all its 5 members --Lady Penitent has basically been fully reverted--; Aerdrie Faenya, Sehanine, and Hanali are once again entities on their own). The human deities all have a *small* writeup, and include those of the PHB and more.

I don't know if the non human deities get a writeup (I hope so, though). In short, it seems that they were actually serious when they said that all the gods would be back...

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