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Caladan Brood
Senior Scribe
Norway
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 Posted - 04 Nov 2015 : 19:39:55
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I have to ask again, can somebody drop me a line or two about the current state of Neverwinter? Has it been rebuilt? Is the chasm still there? Who rules?
(I fear I won't get my physical copy before I'm running my next game). |
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Tarlyn
Learned Scribe
USA
315 Posts |
Posted - 04 Nov 2015 : 23:05:29
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Neverwinter sections covers 3 pages. I am going to answer the questions you asked and provide a little additional detail with each question.
Current state of Neverwinter? Neverwinter has been restored and the high road repaired. Most of the threats presented in the Neverwinter campaign setting have been driven off. The orcs, thayans and Netherese have all been chased off.
Has it been rebuilt? The city is in process of rebuilding. The wall around the enclave has been torn down and now people are starting to squat in some of the abandon buildings.
Is the chasm still there? No, Lord Neverember made arrangements to have it sealed with powerful magic.
Who rules? Lord Dagult Neverember rules the city. He has had to move out of the Halls of Justice because the priests of Tyr have returned. He now operates from a modest private villa. He is also reestablishing the city guard and slowly cutting ties with Mintarn. Many of the former rebels are starting to join the guard and beginning to accept Neverember has Lord Protector.
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 04 Nov 2015 : 23:12:44
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Originally posted by Tarlyn
Neverwinter sections covers 3 pages. I am going to answer the questions you asked and provide a little additional detail with each question.
Current state of Neverwinter? Neverwinter has been restored and the high road repaired. Most of the threats presented in the Neverwinter campaign setting have been drive off. The orcs, thayans and Netherese have all been chased off.
Has it been rebuilt? The city is in process of rebuilding. The wall around the enclave has been torn down and now people are starting to squat in some of the abandon buildings.
Is the chasm still there? No, Lord Neverember made arrangements to have it sealed with powerful magic.
Who rules? Lord Dagult Neverember rules the city. He has had to move out of the Halls of Justice because the priests of Tyr have returned. He now operates from a modest private villa. He is also reestablishing the city guard and slowly cutting ties with Mintarn. Many of the former rebels are starting to join the guard and beginning to accept Neverember has Lord Protector.
So basicly 5th edition Neverwinter is 1st edition Phlan (mind you after the Tyranny of Dragons Adventurer league series 5th Edition Phlan is pretty much 1st edition Phlan again) |
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Gambit
Learned Scribe
110 Posts |
Posted - 05 Nov 2015 : 04:48:47
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Originally posted by Snotlord
(wow, first post in ages)
The SCAG brought me back to Candlekeep for the first time in a long time as well. The Spellplague wounded a lot of the Realms faithful and it feels like those wounds are finally on the mend for many.
Also, KnightErrantJR, excellent post and well said good sir. |
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Caladan Brood
Senior Scribe
Norway
410 Posts |
Posted - 05 Nov 2015 : 07:52:16
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| Tarlyn Embersun, I thank you for the information. I am surprised to see Neverember still alive (but maybe it's not a big stretch, I'm not sure when he entered the city as, not a conqueror, but protector). |
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xaeyruudh
Master of Realmslore
USA
1853 Posts |
Posted - 05 Nov 2015 : 08:42:26
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
I picked up the Player's Handbook, then the Monster Manual and the Dungeon Master's Guide, and was really impressed with the new edition... While I really disliked the changes in the setting in the 4th edition books, it started to occur to me that there was a lot that I accepted in 3rd edition that wasn't really to my liking.
Well said, sir, and timely... I've started reaching the same realizations and I'm also looking forward to seeing 5e unfold. It's good to feel like I'm coming home again. Good venturing to all of us! |
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CorellonsDevout
Great Reader
USA
2708 Posts |
Posted - 06 Nov 2015 : 04:09:00
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Just got the book today, and I was looking at the section on elves. I wish it had gone into more detail, but it isn't too bad. There is a brief description of each of the deities, including the drow deities (all of them, not just Lolth, and Eilistraee has her own little blurb). In this book, they suggest Erevan is a darker deity than they did in Demihuman Deities . Ghaunadaur is listed under drow deities, but it says he is "occasionally revered by drow", which suggests he isn't a true member of the pantheon, as has been discussed before here. There is a brief description of elven history, but it kind of treats it like it expects you to know it already. There is a diagram of Espruar, which is cool. So it could be better, but it isn't terrible.
In the deities section, there is a section on religion in the Realms, as someone mentioned before, and then info on the deities. I find the section on Asmodeus interesting, as it ties in to the section on the afterlife mentioned eaelier. Kelemvor has remained the god of death, which I am happy about. Interestingly, Myrkul is also a god of death, and is often called the Reaper, and he brings the souls to Kel to be judged. However, there is also a list of the deities, and it says Kel is god of the dead, while Myrkul is god of death. I mention this because I know this has come up in discussion before.
These are just my thoughts after briefly looking through it. So far, while I would like more detail, it's not too bad. |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 06 Nov 2015 : 04:41:49
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Originally posted by CorellonsDevout
Just got the book today, and I was looking at the section on elves. I wish it had gone into more detail, but it isn't too bad. There is a brief description of each of the deities, including the drow deities (all of them, not just Lolth, and Eilistraee has her own little blurb). In this book, they suggest Erevan is a darker deity than they did in Demihuman Deities . Ghaunadaur is listed under drow deities, but it says he is "occasionally revered by drow", which suggests he isn't a true member of the pantheon, as has been discussed before here. There is a brief description of elven history, but it kind of treats it like it expects you to know it already. There is a diagram of Espruar, which is cool. So it could be better, but it isn't terrible.
In the deities section, there is a section on religion in the Realms, as someone mentioned before, and then info on the deities. I find the section on Asmodeus interesting, as it ties in to the section on the afterlife mentioned eaelier. Kelemvor has remained the god of death, which I am happy about. Interestingly, Myrkul is also a god of death, and is often called the Reaper, and he brings the souls to Kel to be judged. However, there is also a list of the deities, and it says Kel is god of the dead, while Myrkul is god of death. I mention this because I know this has come up in discussion before.
These are just my thoughts after briefly looking through it. So far, while I would like more detail, it's not too bad.
So if...
Kelemvor is the god of the DEAD
Myrkul is the god of DEATH
Whats Bhaal god of?
Presumable Patron deity of Assassins and Murder, if he does have Murder then Myrkul's really only the god of NATURAL death |
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Delwa
Master of Realmslore
USA
1268 Posts |
Posted - 06 Nov 2015 : 04:48:37
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Originally posted by Dargoth
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Originally posted by CorellonsDevout
Just got the book today, and I was looking at the section on elves. I wish it had gone into more detail, but it isn't too bad. There is a brief description of each of the deities, including the drow deities (all of them, not just Lolth, and Eilistraee has her own little blurb). In this book, they suggest Erevan is a darker deity than they did in Demihuman Deities . Ghaunadaur is listed under drow deities, but it says he is "occasionally revered by drow", which suggests he isn't a true member of the pantheon, as has been discussed before here. There is a brief description of elven history, but it kind of treats it like it expects you to know it already. There is a diagram of Espruar, which is cool. So it could be better, but it isn't terrible.
In the deities section, there is a section on religion in the Realms, as someone mentioned before, and then info on the deities. I find the section on Asmodeus interesting, as it ties in to the section on the afterlife mentioned eaelier. Kelemvor has remained the god of death, which I am happy about. Interestingly, Myrkul is also a god of death, and is often called the Reaper, and he brings the souls to Kel to be judged. However, there is also a list of the deities, and it says Kel is god of the dead, while Myrkul is god of death. I mention this because I know this has come up in discussion before.
These are just my thoughts after briefly looking through it. So far, while I would like more detail, it's not too bad.
So if...
Kelemvor is the god of the DEAD
Myrkul is the god of DEATH
Whats Bhaal god of?
Presumable Patron deity of Assassins and Murder, if he does have Murder then Myrkul's really only the god of NATURAL death
Murder, according to the 5e PHB.  |
- Delwa Aunglor
I am off to slay yon refrigerator and spoil it's horde. Go for the cheese, Boo!
"The Realms change; seldom at the speed desired of those who strive, but far too quickly for those who resist." - The Simbul, taken from the Forgotten Realms Campaign Conspectus |
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CorellonsDevout
Great Reader
USA
2708 Posts |
Posted - 06 Nov 2015 : 04:51:32
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| Yup, murder. And Kel, Jergal, Myrkul, and Bhaal all have death in their domains |
Sweet water and light laughter |
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BenN
Senior Scribe
Japan
382 Posts |
Posted - 06 Nov 2015 : 05:12:49
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Mine shipped on the 3rd, but apparently it will take two weeks to get here.
In the meantime:
Any updates about Myth Drannor, in the aftermath of The Herald? |
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CorellonsDevout
Great Reader
USA
2708 Posts |
Posted - 06 Nov 2015 : 05:24:31
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| Not much, other than that it has basically been destroyed (again), and places like Evereska are seeing an influx of Cormanthans |
Sweet water and light laughter |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 06 Nov 2015 : 05:26:22
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Originally posted by BenN
Mine shipped on the 3rd, but apparently it will take two weeks to get here.
In the meantime:
Any updates about Myth Drannor, in the aftermath of The Herald?
I feel your pain my local store didnt order enough copies so Im doing an Amazon order which will take 14-21 days
Fortunately Fallout 4 comes out tuesday and once that happans the world could disappear in atomic fire but so long as I still have power for my PC and Steam access I wont notice  |
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Emperor Sigismund
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xaeyruudh
Master of Realmslore
USA
1853 Posts |
Posted - 06 Nov 2015 : 09:21:09
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| Sounds like maybe Ed's finally getting his wish with regard to some of the gods... overlapping portfolios. It's a recipe for intrigue, which translates into adventure hooks and both short and long storylines. TSR and WotC have apparently taken it on themselves since 1987 to keep the gods in separate sandboxes, even to the point of mindlessly hack-and-slashing pantheons to eliminate anything that potentially might resemble redundancy. Have they been convinced to renounce their stupid ways? Time will tell. In the meantime... tell those stories, Ed (and others). Tell 'em quick! |
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
3802 Posts |
Posted - 06 Nov 2015 : 13:06:08
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Glad to see that Ao's decree about portfolios has been lifted, or weakened at least. Does it say Myrkul still associated with decay/corruption, or if he is related with necromancy in any way, given that Velsharoon seems to be nowhere to be found.
Also, what does it say on Lolth, has she changed in any way?
EDIT: Not even a little reference to what Ed said about Myth Drannor not being completely wiped, and in the process of being possibly rebuilt? |
Mathematics is the art of giving the same name to different things. |
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CorellonsDevout
Great Reader
USA
2708 Posts |
Posted - 06 Nov 2015 : 15:40:36
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As for Myth Drannor, not that I could see. I haven't read it cover to cover, but I went to the index ans looked at all the pages it says Myth Drannor was mentioned. There isn't even a section devoted to it, it is just mentioned during the description of other things, and it says it was destroyed when Shade (or Nethril as thetext calls it) fell on it.
There is just a short paragraph on Lolth, in which it says she reigns supreme as the goddess of drow, and ruthlessly eliminates all who threaten her. In the deity list it says she is the goddess of spiders. Myrkul is a god of decay, but it doesn't say anything about necromancy that I could see. |
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
3802 Posts |
Posted - 06 Nov 2015 : 15:50:18
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Originally posted by CorellonsDevout
As for Myth Drannor, not that I could see. I haven't read it cover to cover, but I went to the index ans looked at all the pages it says Myth Drannor was mentioned. There isn't even a section devoted to it, it is just mentioned during the description of other things, and it says it was destroyed when Shade (or Nethril as thetext calls it) fell on it.
There is just a short paragraph on Lolth, in which it says she reigns supreme as the goddess of drow, and ruthlessly eliminates all who threaten her. In the deity list it says she is the goddess of spiders. Myrkul is a god of decay, but it doesn't say anything about necromancy that I could see.
Thanks. Well, things are looking really close to what they were before the various cataclysms, then. |
Mathematics is the art of giving the same name to different things. |
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CorellonsDevout
Great Reader
USA
2708 Posts |
Posted - 06 Nov 2015 : 15:57:31
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| You're welcome. Seems that way. There is a brief history at the beginning (it mentions the great empires, the fiest Sundering, Crown Wars, ToT, Spellplague, second Sundering, etc), and it actually goes up to 1489. The gods are described as being "quiet, but not silent", and priests interpret their signs, which I seem to remember Ed saying in a panel is what he wanted. So the gods interact with mortals in more subtle ways. |
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Jeremy Grenemyer
Great Reader
USA
2717 Posts |
Posted - 06 Nov 2015 : 17:06:05
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| I hope to have a copy of this book in my hands by Christmas at the latest. |
Look for me and my content at EN World (user name: sanishiver). |
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Gyor
Master of Realmslore
1621 Posts |
Posted - 06 Nov 2015 : 17:38:16
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Originally posted by Snotlord
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Originally posted by Gyor
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The Dragonborn seem to be running around confused, WotC can't get rid of them now, they're spread across Faerun as refugees from Dragon Tyrants in Returned Abier and as Merchants and Adventurers from Tymanther, but now both are gone as WotC has no idea what to do with them.
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Its sounds interesting, too bad were not getting the proper book support to actually use it.
Does anyone else feel this way?
Nope. That is, I have not yet seen this book, but I believe I will disagree.
Life and history is random and not designed. Many things happen "just because", and folks have to deal with that. Part of the OGB's appeal IMO is a "lived-in-feel" of an actual campaign, and not the "top-down" approach of worlds with a clearer theme (Dragonlance, Eberron and others).
So in my opinon, WotC does not have to "do" anything with for instance the Dragonborn. It is fine to just let them carry on with whatever the realms throws at them.
I understand the urge to get an explanation or some kind of resolution, but that is not what the realms is about. In my opinion.
Heck, give me 10 more years, and I'll even accept the Spellplague.
On the other hand, if you by "proper" mean "bigger", then I certainly agree.
(wow, first post in ages)
I find it funny you qouted and responded to that, because my comment was premature, Tymanther survived, a bit reduced, so the Dragonborn still have a homeland.
I still stand by what I said about SCAG being a poor substitute for a proper FRCG and FRPG, its an over priced horderve, when what is needed is a full meal.
And an end story origins in the AL. |
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Gyor
Master of Realmslore
1621 Posts |
Posted - 06 Nov 2015 : 17:39:53
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CorellonsDevout
Great Reader
USA
2708 Posts |
Posted - 06 Nov 2015 : 17:40:46
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| I saw that too in one of the side panels |
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Seravin
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1265 Posts |
Posted - 06 Nov 2015 : 19:04:40
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| It says that Dove has revived the group and hand selects the members. I thought Dove passed in the Herald but I didn't read it so I am wrong there I guess? I am still waiting for the Simbul to come back and rule Aglarond again. May as well get rid of all the stupid decisions the previous edition brought about (disclaimer, only my opinion on what stupid is :) ) |
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hashimashadoo
Master of Realmslore
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06 Nov 2015 : 19:29:15
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| Myth Drannor's references in the book are all in the past tense save for one that mentions that members of the Moonstars are active there. Most are reiterating that the city was recently ruined, was destroyed, was the source of Evereska's population explosion, etc. |
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BenN
Senior Scribe
Japan
382 Posts |
Posted - 06 Nov 2015 : 21:53:34
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Originally posted by Seravin
It says that Dove has revived the group and hand selects the members. I thought Dove passed in the Herald
She did. I guess she got resurrected. |
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
3802 Posts |
Posted - 06 Nov 2015 : 22:16:40
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Originally posted by BenN
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Originally posted by Seravin
It says that Dove has revived the group and hand selects the members. I thought Dove passed in the Herald
She did. I guess she got resurrected.
I get that the book aims to just give a ''status quo'' of the Realms, but seriously, certain thing ought to be explained. They went with ''the Sundering brought them back'' for the gods and all the lands that had disappeared, but undoing something that has *just* happened should require at least a little bit of clarification (even if it's just ''Mystra resurrected Dove''). Otherwise it almost seems like novels aren't canon anymore. |
Mathematics is the art of giving the same name to different things. |
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Snotlord
Senior Scribe
Norway
476 Posts |
Posted - 07 Nov 2015 : 00:30:03
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Originally posted by Gyor
I find it funny you qouted and responded to that, because my comment was premature, Tymanther survived, a bit reduced, so the Dragonborn still have a homeland.
I still stand by what I said about SCAG being a poor substitute for a proper FRCG and FRPG, its an over priced horderve, when what is needed is a full meal.
And an end story origins in the AL.
Well, I too was premature as I responded to your post, not the book itself. I'm still waiting for mine.
My point was simply this: we should not ask for explanations for all loose ends or a greater purpose.
The realms is a setting for thousands of stories, while for instance Middle-Earth and Dragonlance is settings for just one great story. I think we would loose something with a tighter focus.
Eberron is another example - its a great setting, but somehow it feels like the first draft was done on whiteboards and excel sheets. The realms is IMO not that at all.
So I do not mind lost Dragonborn running about, or what have you.
But perhaps I got it wrong, no worries mate. Sorry for derailing the thread. |
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Seravin
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 07 Nov 2015 : 00:35:23
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Originally posted by BenN
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Originally posted by Seravin
It says that Dove has revived the group and hand selects the members. I thought Dove passed in the Herald
She did. I guess she got resurrected.
Oh. Well then. Sucks to be Sylune, I guess. |
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
3802 Posts |
Posted - 07 Nov 2015 : 00:40:13
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Originally posted by Seravin
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Originally posted by BenN
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Originally posted by Seravin
It says that Dove has revived the group and hand selects the members. I thought Dove passed in the Herald
She did. I guess she got resurrected.
Oh. Well then. Sucks to be Sylune, I guess.
Or Qilué... |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
11691 Posts |
Posted - 07 Nov 2015 : 00:42:00
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Originally posted by Irennan
Glad to see that Ao's decree about portfolios has been lifted, or weakened at least. Does it say Myrkul still associated with decay/corruption, or if he is related with necromancy in any way, given that Velsharoon seems to be nowhere to be found.
Also, what does it say on Lolth, has she changed in any way?
EDIT: Not even a little reference to what Ed said about Myth Drannor not being completely wiped, and in the process of being possibly rebuilt?
There's a temple to Velsharoon in Mulmaster. |
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