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Jeremy Grenemyer
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Posted - 01 May 2015 :  08:17:42  Show Profile Send Jeremy Grenemyer a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
This is the most enjoyable bit of Realmslore weaving I have read in some time: Gauntlgrym.

That, and it shows once again that contradictions in Realmslore really are opportunities to shine, if you are up to the task of making things better than they were.

Well done Geoege Krashos!

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George Krashos
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Posted - 01 May 2015 :  08:27:02  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I was wondering if anyone was going to notice it was there.

Thanks to Eric Boyd for coming up with the arakhor idea and to Ed for the encouragement and support.

-- George Krashos

"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus
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Dalor Darden
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Posted - 01 May 2015 :  09:05:57  Show Profile Send Dalor Darden a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Awesome...as usual!

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Crai
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Posted - 01 May 2015 :  16:56:08  Show Profile Send Crai a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I agree, Jeremy. While I appreciate and cherish all the lore coming from all the various FR loremasters, George is by far my favorite. His syntax is precise & crisp and his aesthetic tone is warm & conversational. I could read his stuff all day long.

One quick question to all of you: How "officially canon" is Ed's Secretariat material? Both his own and fan submissions (like George's)?

Keep in mind, I consider all of George's stuff canon for my own purposes. So I guess my question is more of an official/legal sort.
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 01 May 2015 :  17:58:40  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
That is indeed some good stuff!

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Jeremy Grenemyer
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Posted - 01 May 2015 :  18:29:23  Show Profile Send Jeremy Grenemyer a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Crai, the material is posted on the Fan-Creations section, so it's just that: fan work.

I treat it as canon because it's sourcebook quality material. WotC would do well to publish George on Dragon+.

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Irennan
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Posted - 01 May 2015 :  18:34:54  Show Profile Send Irennan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Jeremy Grenemyer
WotC would do well to publish George on Dragon+.



While reading GK's article, that immediately came to mind, since they are apparently going to publish 1 short FR article/issue.

Also, my thanks for the new lore, it is really appreciated.

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Caladan Brood
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Posted - 01 May 2015 :  20:17:27  Show Profile  Visit Caladan Brood's Homepage Send Caladan Brood a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Wow, that was cool. I'm ashamed to admit I did not know you were a Realms luminary, George. Here's to many more such pieces from you :)
(Also have to admit, again with a slight blush, that I wasn't aware there was so much nice material to read on yonder site, from Ed himself.)
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Eltheron
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quote:
"but Beerkanstrogue, son of Ilgostrogue, planted his booted feet squarely"

Beerkanstrogue.
A dwarf named Beer cans.
/smh

"The very best possible post-fourteenth-century Realms lets down those who love the specific, detailed social, political and magical situation, with its thousands of characters, developed over forty years, and want to learn more about it; and those who'd be open to a new one with equal depth, which there just isn't time to re-produce; and those repelled, some past the point of no return, by the bad-taste-and-plausibility gap of things done to the world when its guardianship was less careful."
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George Krashos
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Posted - 02 May 2015 :  16:04:56  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Eltheron
[
Beerkanstrogue.
A dwarf named Beer cans.
/smh



You'll have to thank Salvatore for the name. Another one of his joke dwarven names I think. Most amusing.

-- George Krashos

"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus
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Eltheron
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Posted - 02 May 2015 :  16:13:12  Show Profile Send Eltheron a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

quote:
Originally posted by Eltheron
Beerkanstrogue.
A dwarf named Beer cans.
/smh



You'll have to thank Salvatore for the name. Another one of his joke dwarven names I think. Most amusing.

-- George Krashos


Yeah, I know it's from Salvatore - back from FR7, IIRC.

Never have been a fan of that particular penchant of Salvatore's, but it is what it is, I guess. It's right up there with Perkins' "Mama Booga" and "Boo Boo Doll" in GoDC.


"The very best possible post-fourteenth-century Realms lets down those who love the specific, detailed social, political and magical situation, with its thousands of characters, developed over forty years, and want to learn more about it; and those who'd be open to a new one with equal depth, which there just isn't time to re-produce; and those repelled, some past the point of no return, by the bad-taste-and-plausibility gap of things done to the world when its guardianship was less careful."
--Faraer

Edited by - Eltheron on 02 May 2015 16:15:49
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hashimashadoo
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Posted - 02 May 2015 :  17:30:44  Show Profile  Visit hashimashadoo's Homepage  Click to see hashimashadoo's MSN Messenger address Send hashimashadoo a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Don't get me wrong, it's very good work, but wasn't Mirabar founded by Prince Ereskas of Amn in 626 DR on the site of Gharraghaur's capital?

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George Krashos
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Posted - 02 May 2015 :  17:41:39  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
It was certainly re-founded by him on that date.

-- George Krashos

"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus
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Mapolq
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Posted - 02 May 2015 :  18:02:59  Show Profile Send Mapolq a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Eltheron

Yeah, I know it's from Salvatore - back from FR7, IIRC.

Never have been a fan of that particular penchant of Salvatore's, but it is what it is, I guess. It's right up there with Perkins' "Mama Booga" and "Boo Boo Doll" in GoDC.





Yeah, not a fan of those either. Recently I found out he's named a halfling assassin "Pericolo Topolino", and I was definitely going "oh, God, RAS is trolling us again". But I suppose we can let the man have his giggles.

Edit: Forgot to say I loved the article, of course!

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Matt James
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Posted - 04 May 2015 :  23:12:58  Show Profile Send Matt James a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Very awesome!
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Cards77
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Posted - 06 May 2015 :  18:13:46  Show Profile Send Cards77 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Read it. Excellent. Want more detail!
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George Krashos
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Posted - 07 May 2015 :  00:36:39  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Cards77

Read it. Excellent. Want more detail!



Like what?

-- George Krashos

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Markustay
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Posted - 08 May 2015 :  17:32:41  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Great Realmslore, Krash. Was this part of what Eric was working on, or something stand-alone?


And it doesn't obliterate my own explanation for some of the weirdness - the 'Return Gates' I detailed in the Magic Shop thread here at CK (that explains how various locales are always reported for the same site - people never know they are actually using those gates, because of their nature, so mistakes are constantly made when people try to figure out where ancient sites were located... something the dwarves worked very hard at obfuscating).

Thus, if a party of adventurers went through a Return Gate unknowingly in the Valley of Khedrun and wound-up in (either) Gauntlgrym, they would just assume Gauntlgrym was in that valley.

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone


Edited by - Markustay on 08 May 2015 17:33:20
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George Krashos
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Posted - 08 May 2015 :  23:25:57  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
After reading some of Salvatore's latest fiction I realized that there was an increasing dissonance between some of the stuff he was saying about Gauntlgrym and Delzoun and the existing published Realmslore (a lot of which was my historical stuff put into LEoF and GHotR). I'd taken an initial stab at dealing with the conundrums created here at the 'Keep and then after Eric and I did some historical working up of Delzoun, realized that that initial stab needed a revamp. Eric had mentioned that he liked the idea of the Hosstower being an arakhor, which I thought was brilliant, and so I massaged it all a bit more and sent it through to Ed to have a look at. As you know, Ed is many things but first and foremost a fan of the Realms. He enjoys reading other people's realmslore because it gives him that sense of wonder and surprise. He liked it enough to graciously host my musings at the Edverse. I've sent another piece through to him, which may make an appearance and after spotting a point of discussion here at the 'Keep that needed explaining, am working on another. Pure realmslore with little or no game rules has always been my love, so expect a bit more random stuff going forward.

-- George Krashos

"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus
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Steven Schend
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Posted - 11 May 2015 :  01:23:01  Show Profile  Visit Steven Schend's Homepage  Send Steven Schend a Yahoo! Message Send Steven Schend a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

quote:
Originally posted by Cards77

Read it. Excellent. Want more detail!



Like what?

-- George Krashos



Do SHOONACH, George. You know you want to. Any notes I've got are yours, as I know I won't have the time and trust very few others to develop one of the few areas away from Waterdeep that hews close to my heart

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George Krashos
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Posted - 11 May 2015 :  01:27:27  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi Steven

You've already done the map, the history, snippets about the magic found there, Shoon VII - all that's left is do give it a "Ruins of ..." treatment, and writing adventures isn't my strongsuit. Eric on the other hand ...

-- George Krashos

"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus
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Steven Schend
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Posted - 11 May 2015 :  01:33:54  Show Profile  Visit Steven Schend's Homepage  Send Steven Schend a Yahoo! Message Send Steven Schend a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

Hi Steven

You've already done the map, the history, snippets about the magic found there, Shoon VII - all that's left is do give it a "Ruins of ..." treatment, and writing adventures isn't my strongsuit. Eric on the other hand ...

-- George Krashos



Just because you haven't written adventures before doesn't mean you can't. It just means you've not done one.

Approach it this way--you're going to write the travelogue of Shoonach by Volo's Tethyrian second cousin thrice removed (for reasons hidden by secret court documents) who hopes to match his fame/notoriety by braving the ruins and detailing what he finds therein.

Who needs an adventure if you're providing the blow-by-blow of what this guy might find there...and what's all changed since I last wrote about the Lands of Intrigue nearly 20 years ago?

And yes, Eric Boyd would do something amazing and marvelous, true, but you guys together far exceed whatever I could do with that area, methinks.

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dazzlerdal
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Something tells me that Steven has some big, as yet unrevealed secrets about Shoonach that he would like to get out there but hasnt got the time.

I think George should do Shoonach, but then again i think George and Eric should revisit all areas of the realms to give them a bit of a polish, then again they are doing the whole of the North so they probably have a bit much on the go at the moment.

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Cards77
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Posted - 13 May 2015 :  01:57:14  Show Profile Send Cards77 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by dazzlerdal

Something tells me that Steven has some big, as yet unrevealed secrets about Shoonach that he would like to get out there but hasnt got the time.

I think George should do Shoonach, but then again i think George and Eric should revisit all areas of the realms to give them a bit of a polish, then again they are doing the whole of the North so they probably have a bit much on the go at the moment.



I heartily second this. I want everything I can possibly get from these guys, and I'll still want more!

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Markustay
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Posted - 13 May 2015 :  15:45:16  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Geeze, I wouldn't even have to do a map for that - Shoonach had one of the MOST beautiful FR maps ever produced.

So Krash fleshing-out Steven Schend's notes, and then having the whole thing 'adventurized' by Eric? I think I may not be able to keep from touching myself.

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone

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Cards77
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Posted - 06 Sep 2018 :  20:43:55  Show Profile Send Cards77 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
What happened to the link? I went to read this again and nothing there.
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