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Caolin
Senior Scribe
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 Posted - 13 Apr 2015 : 04:34:30
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I came across this on Reddit today. I thought some of you might enjoy it.
http://imgur.com/5BUePnn
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Baltas
Senior Scribe
Poland
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Posted - 13 Apr 2015 : 05:24:33
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Very interesing, and love the fact that Gold Dragons are part Lung Dragons, seeing how in 1E and 2E, they loooked like them.
Although it's interesting that Dragotha(a Draco-lich, that originaly was a Red Dragon) is so early in the Family Tree. Maybe the myth from the Book of the World(found in the original Draconomicon), that all other Chromatics, and even Metallic Dragons, come from Red Dragons, holds some truth after all...
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Also, another point in the family tree, that speaks for the theory from the Book of the World that Red Dragons were the original true dragons, is the fact that Red Hawk Dragons, branch out of the true dragon branch really early on, even before the split between Chromatic, and Metalic Dragons.
Although it's interestig that Gem Dragons are so distantly related to Metalics and Chromatics... |
Edited by - Baltas on 13 Apr 2015 09:06:41 |
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 13 Apr 2015 : 14:30:38
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
7970 Posts |
Posted - 13 Apr 2015 : 16:48:06
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A more comprehsive list than the Realms-based one in the 2E Draconomicon, but it differs in some details.
I suspect a lot of the exotic hybrid breeds cannot be placed very accurately on this diagram. Dragons can travel around a lot and easily access distant lands, worlds, planes. And they can seemingly interbreed with few restrictions, aside from those imposed by intelligence, temperament, and alignment. I would expect a lot of differentiated dragon species which share an unusual draconic outlook - a biological disinclination towards accumulating territory and hoarded treasure. |
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Delwa
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 13 Apr 2015 : 17:21:02
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| Thanks for sharing! This needs to be a poster, if it isn't already. |
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Caolin
Senior Scribe
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Baltas
Senior Scribe
Poland
955 Posts |
Posted - 16 Apr 2015 : 14:52:14
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Also, combining some information from this chart, with the classic Draconomicon, one can think that Ignidraco(the common ancestor of both Metallic and Chromatic Dragons), was indeed a Red Dragon, or very similar to one, seeing how Red Hawk Dragons aparently branched out of the "Ignidraco"(common ancestor of Matalics and Chromatics) of this chart, and Dragotha was aparently a member of Ignidraco/"common ancestor of both Metallic and Chromatic Dragons" species, before becoming a Dracolich(possibly the very first Dracolich?)
And I also noticed that the 2E Draconomicon, also suggested a connection of Gold Dragons to Oriental/Lung Dragons, as the scienticic name for Gold Dragon in Draconomicon was D. orientalus sino dux. |
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Starshade
Learned Scribe
Norway
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Posted - 16 Apr 2015 : 15:00:59
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| There is Space dragons in 5E? Are they out in the vacuum of space, or is it just a fancy name? And stellar? like in "interstellar" (spelljammer?) |
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Baltas
Senior Scribe
Poland
955 Posts |
Posted - 16 Apr 2015 : 15:51:18
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| If I got it right, Moon, Sun, and Stellar Dragons are indeed all from Spelljammer. |
Edited by - Baltas on 16 Apr 2015 19:37:22 |
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TBeholder
Great Reader
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Posted - 17 Apr 2015 : 16:26:49
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| Also, weren't Wyverns created by Aearee? |
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AuldDragon
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 18 Apr 2015 : 06:01:21
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There are definitely some questionable connections there, IMO. For example, Astral Dragons are the root stock of all Krynnish dragons according to the Dragonlance Monstrous Compendium Entry. Mystaran gem dragons are unrelated to standard gem dragons, while Mystaran elemental drakes are not closely related to other Mystaran drakes, with the latter being fairykind. Mithril, Electrum, Mercury, and Steel dragons are not true metallic dragons (only one breath weapon), so they should be shown branching off earlier, and Greyhawk dragons are an offshoot of Steels. Spelljamming dragons are not likely to be very closely related; Stellar dragons have a very different body form than the others, while sun, moon, and radiant dragons follow standard body plans, and probably more closely related to standard terrestrial dragons than stellar dragons.
While it's a really cool image, I get the feeling that the artist didn't actually research all the dragon types before putting them into the chart.
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Baltas
Senior Scribe
Poland
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Posted - 18 Apr 2015 : 11:15:13
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I think one could argue that the inconsistencies, could be explained by the various dragon species crossbreading with eachother. After all, Gold Dragons are described here as in part Lung Dragons. A family tree describing ALL crossbreeding, and conneting all crossbreeded species by lines, would be probably much more complex.
Krynnish Dragons, could be have indeed evolved from Astral Dragons, and became similar to Metallic and Chromatic Dragons, through convergent evolution.
Another possibility, it that this chart is just meant to be an interepretation by a sage, not some ultimate truth. |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
7970 Posts |
Posted - 19 Apr 2015 : 02:28:21
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| Rules in the olde Draconomicon existed for dragon crossbreeds born of different parent species. But these invariably ended being a sort of hybrid, possessing some mixture or balance of their parent traits. A "purple" dragon born from red and blue parents would have a sort of burning high-voltage breath weapon, partial immunity to fire and electricity, etc. Many published dragon species are like this, even if their "colour" is not immediately traceable. But many others are substantially different, having entirely unrelated breath weapons and abilities. I think this might be used to to more accurately determine the interrelationships between draconic "species". |
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Dragon family tree.
