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The Red Walker
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Posted - 16 Aug 2010 :  21:48:18  Show Profile  Send The Red Walker a Yahoo! Message Send The Red Walker a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Lady Kazandra

quote:
Originally posted by Kyrene

quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

Most other nights I've often "something else" to distract me.

Ah, so now 'poor' Lady K is just a "something else" these days? For shame...

He has since learned otherwise. For reasons which will become apparent after the following exchange . . .
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Oh yeah ...when Lady K gets frustrated with you, do you get sent to the SageHouse?

SageCouch actually, complete with a healthy dose of month-long abstinence regarding a variety of "activities."




Ok.......now there is one thing I want to see on Candlekeep...



More Lady K.......rrrraaarrrr

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Dalor Darden
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Posted - 16 Aug 2010 :  21:59:46  Show Profile  Visit Dalor Darden's Homepage Send Dalor Darden a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I would like to see an interactive map...by era.

Essentially, you click on an era map by Edition. A 1st Edition Forgotten Realms, a 2nd Edition, a 3rd Edition and a 4th Edition Map.

Then, click on an area to give you a close up view of that area...that would have a list of locations beneath it that you could click on and read information about that area (such as linking to scrolls concerning the area).

That way, a Scribe could easily find information about certain areas...and even information about a certain time.

I think this would make the halls of Candlekeep truly edition neutral and offer full support for any era!

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The Sage
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Posted - 17 Aug 2010 :  02:04:15  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by The Red Walker

More Lady K.......rrrraaarrrr

I keep telling her that. She promises that it won't be another year before her next visit.
quote:
Originally posted by Dalor Darden

I would like to see an interactive map...by era.

Essentially, you click on an era map by Edition. A 1st Edition Forgotten Realms, a 2nd Edition, a 3rd Edition and a 4th Edition Map.

Then, click on an area to give you a close up view of that area...that would have a list of locations beneath it that you could click on and read information about that area (such as linking to scrolls concerning the area).

That way, a Scribe could easily find information about certain areas...and even information about a certain time.

I think this would make the halls of Candlekeep truly edition neutral and offer full support for any era!

Actually, that's not a bad idea. We might even be able to drop the great maps by Markus, somewhere in there.

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Dalor Darden
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Posted - 17 Aug 2010 :  06:11:28  Show Profile  Visit Dalor Darden's Homepage Send Dalor Darden a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I do have my moments...

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Jorkens
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Posted - 17 Aug 2010 :  08:54:16  Show Profile Send Jorkens a Private Message  Reply with Quote
That's a great idea. But one thing with such maps, should they then only contain areas present in that edition? In other words, should the 1ed. map reflect the openness of the Grey box maps and not include locations detailed in later editions?
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Zireael
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Posted - 17 Aug 2010 :  14:16:09  Show Profile  Visit Zireael's Homepage Send Zireael a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dalor Darden

I would like to see an interactive map...by era.

Essentially, you click on an era map by Edition. A 1st Edition Forgotten Realms, a 2nd Edition, a 3rd Edition and a 4th Edition Map.

Then, click on an area to give you a close up view of that area...that would have a list of locations beneath it that you could click on and read information about that area (such as linking to scrolls concerning the area).

That way, a Scribe could easily find information about certain areas...and even information about a certain time.

I think this would make the halls of Candlekeep truly edition neutral and offer full support for any era!



Seconded. I also hope the Underdark would get its little map there.

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Dalor Darden
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Posted - 17 Aug 2010 :  16:01:42  Show Profile  Visit Dalor Darden's Homepage Send Dalor Darden a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Jorkens

That's a great idea. But one thing with such maps, should they then only contain areas present in that edition? In other words, should the 1ed. map reflect the openness of the Grey box maps and not include locations detailed in later editions?



Yes, each "era map" should only include references to material published during its time.

If someone wanted to know something about a different era, they could simply reference future eras.

That would make a "layered map" possible too. Wherein you could select which eras you wanted on your map that you were looking at for that moment.

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Jorkens
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Posted - 17 Aug 2010 :  16:21:54  Show Profile Send Jorkens a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dalor Darden

That would make a "layered map" possible too. Wherein you could select which eras you wanted on your map that you were looking at for that moment.



Wouldn't that be pretty complicated to make? I ask out of curiosity as I am lousy with both maps and computers, so to me this sounds like a nightmare to create.
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Dalor Darden
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Posted - 17 Aug 2010 :  16:54:08  Show Profile  Visit Dalor Darden's Homepage Send Dalor Darden a Private Message  Reply with Quote
No, not a nightmare.

Essentially, they could even be modified maps related to the old Forgotten Realms Interactive Atlas.

Each map would simply have a link embedded in the name. When you click on a name, you get a smaller map.

As for the scrolls here at Candlekeep, they could be embedded in the same sort of link...I've seen it done with Googlemaps.

If you go to the World of Aerk in my signature, and go to the Maps section, you will see the start of what I'm talking about. You can click on a bubble in one of the areas and it takes you to a Wiki page that gives information.

I'm very new to it myself...so I don't really know all that much about it; but the tools are simple to use and already easily obtainable.

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Jorkens
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Posted - 17 Aug 2010 :  18:59:23  Show Profile Send Jorkens a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I checked the maps you mentioned and it looks wonderful, if someone is able/willing to make something like this for Candlekeep it would be great.
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Dalor Darden
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Posted - 17 Aug 2010 :  19:05:43  Show Profile  Visit Dalor Darden's Homepage Send Dalor Darden a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I can't make the maps...but I could easily do the wiki work...

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althen artren
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Posted - 11 Nov 2010 :  02:26:26  Show Profile Send althen artren a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Girls, lots and lots of cute girls.
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Alisttair
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Posted - 11 Nov 2010 :  11:34:06  Show Profile  Visit Alisttair's Homepage  Click to see Alisttair's MSN Messenger address Send Alisttair a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by althen artren

Girls, lots and lots of cute girls.



Candlekeep is not a brothel....oh wait, you said cute girls...

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Ayrik
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Posted - 26 Nov 2010 :  01:30:43  Show Profile Send Ayrik a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Another note along the lines of the "full PM box" talk (yeah, my PM locks up at 21/20 messages, until I delete some) ...

I would suggest associating PM privileges with earned Candlekeep ranks. Perhaps no PM box at all until one becomes, say, a Seeker, then increasing message capacity as one's Candlekeep stature increases. I've seen other forums (fora?) implement this sort of approach, mostly to inhibit entry to spam fiends (and thus reduce the gremlin population a bit). Just a suggestion.

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Ayrik
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Posted - 26 Nov 2010 :  01:50:53  Show Profile Send Ayrik a Private Message  Reply with Quote
And yet another suggestion along similar lines ...

Allowing more senior scribes to access private shelves where they might submit and store their lore, along with some mechanism to easily link such lore into their public scrolls (as they choose). I realize quite well the demands this could place on server storage, but even 1MB or several hundred KBs could easily accomodate lengthy text passages and a few maps; not really so much when the total numbers of senior ranking scribes are considered. There are already numerous other extradimensional storage methods available, but they require scribes to venture beyond the secure boundaries of Candlekeep.

Also, to add some more pressing demands on SageTime, lol ...

I might also suggest a big obvious tutorial for new scribes, wherein CK's CoC, FAQs, text formatting codes, and perhaps other instructions are easily found; it is a sad reality that many visitors to the keep routinely ignore such stuff and expend no real effort in locating it (ie, it must be impossible to overlook).

Sadly, the search genie is not very bright. More sophisticated enchantments could expand it's mental capacities and perhaps providing it with a mystical google orb would make the genie's services far more useful, I feel.

Uh, having said all that, I will add that Candlekeep is still the finest library of Realmslore I have ever seen. It's really quite excellent as-is, when the gremlins stay caged.

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The Sage
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Posted - 26 Nov 2010 :  02:56:52  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Arik

Another note along the lines of the "full PM box" talk (yeah, my PM locks up at 21/20 messages, until I delete some) ...

I would suggest associating PM privileges with earned Candlekeep ranks. Perhaps no PM box at all until one becomes, say, a Seeker, then increasing message capacity as one's Candlekeep stature increases. I've seen other forums (fora?) implement this sort of approach, mostly to inhibit entry to spam fiends (and thus reduce the gremlin population a bit). Just a suggestion.

Hmmm. This can be difficult to manage, because we have a fair number of scribes who only routinely visit the Inn, so their post counts don't increase and, thus, traditionally, their accounts remain at "Acolyte" level. And since these scribes also regularly exchange PMs for gaming purposes and the like, it would be rather unfair, I believe, to now deny them that freedom.

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The Sage
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Posted - 26 Nov 2010 :  03:02:44  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Arik

And yet another suggestion along similar lines ...

Allowing more senior scribes to access private shelves where they might submit and store their lore, along with some mechanism to easily link such lore into their public scrolls (as they choose). I realize quite well the demands this could place on server storage, but even 1MB or several hundred KBs could easily accomodate lengthy text passages and a few maps; not really so much when the total numbers of senior ranking scribes are considered. There are already numerous other extradimensional storage methods available, but they require scribes to venture beyond the secure boundaries of Candlekeep.
This has been among the most requested functions for Candlekeep 2. And given that it's had such demand, I can certainly see the need for a similar function to eventually find its way into our planning for the new forum architecture.
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Also, to add some more pressing demands on SageTime, lol ...

I might also suggest a big obvious tutorial for new scribes, wherein CK's CoC, FAQs, text formatting codes, and perhaps other instructions are easily found; it is a sad reality that many visitors to the keep routinely ignore such stuff and expend no real effort in locating it (ie, it must be impossible to overlook).
I've already been on and off with this for some time -- as an expansion of my Candlekeep's Guide to Forgotten Realms FAQ. I fully intended to include some of a "Primer" or "Quick-Start Rules" for new scribes entering the halls of Candlekeep. Naturally, it would be incorporated into the sign-up process. But ensuring that potential scribes actually read the rules, is another matter entirely.
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Sadly, the search genie is not very bright. More sophisticated enchantments could expand it's mental capacities and perhaps providing it with a mystical google orb would make the genie's services far more useful, I feel.
This is another highly demanded revision for Candlekeep 2. Rest assured, I'm looking into alternatives.
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Uh, having said all that, I will add that Candlekeep is still the finest library of Realmslore I have ever seen. It's really quite excellent as-is, when the gremlins stay caged.
Much appreciated, Arik.

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Dracons
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Posted - 26 Nov 2010 :  03:15:54  Show Profile  Visit Dracons's Homepage  Send Dracons a Yahoo! Message Send Dracons a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Yeah, maybe ability to report a post and or thread? Rather then having to send a PM to mods? Easier to report the local trolls who pretend to know what they're talking about.

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Ayrik
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Posted - 26 Nov 2010 :  03:21:37  Show Profile Send Ayrik a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
The Sage
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Arik
Another note along the lines of the "full PM box" talk ...
Hmmm. This can be difficult to manage, because we have a fair number of scribes who only routinely visit the Inn, so their post counts don't increase and, thus, traditionally, their accounts remain at "Acolyte" level. And since these scribes also regularly exchange PMs for gaming purposes and the like, it would be rather unfair, I believe, to now deny them that freedom.
I was entirely unaware of this, Sage. I don't frequent the Inn at all and naturally *assumed* every submission of lore within Candlekeep holds some value regardless of where it may be offered. Yes, I can appreciate the PM needs of these scribes.

I don't know if it's appropriate to mention this, but I personally look upon Candlekeep as a place where Realmslore can be shared freely ... I understand there are complicated legal enchantments which make the status of CK's lore somewhat confusing. Perhaps a more official binding agreement would clarify much confusion about what sorts of lore Candlekeep may and may not publish. I understand this is much beyond CK's ability to control, or even the ability of far more prominent wizards ... but it would be nice.

Thanx for hearing my (our) suggestions out. I am patiently looking forward to CK2.

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Dennis
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Posted - 26 Nov 2010 :  03:28:35  Show Profile Send Dennis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Arik

Uh, having said all that, I will add that Candlekeep is still the finest library of Realmslore I have ever seen. It's really quite excellent as-is, when the gremlins stay caged.



Agreed. Sometimes I just leave the site when I see the gremlins blatantly mocking me.

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The Sage
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Posted - 26 Nov 2010 :  04:24:28  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dracons

Yeah, maybe ability to report a post and or thread? Rather then having to send a PM to mods? Easier to report the local trolls who pretend to know what they're talking about.

I can certainly understand the need for such a scroll. But, at the same time, I'm a little hesitant to agree to it. Simply because a public "naming and shaming" policy isn't something we'd like to endorse here at Candlekeep. Further problems could arise from scribes who feel that they're justly reporting about "trolls" and such, only to antagonise the situation further with such public commentary. And it could easily become a battleground for scribes who've personal grudges between themselves -- and simply seek to have the Moderators fight it out for them by forcing them to take sides.

...

As I see it, the application of the PM system allows such privacy to ensure the protection of both the accuser and the accused. And that's far more courteous, I think.

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The Sage
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Posted - 26 Nov 2010 :  04:26:58  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Arik

I don't know if it's appropriate to mention this, but I personally look upon Candlekeep as a place where Realmslore can be shared freely ... I understand there are complicated legal enchantments which make the status of CK's lore somewhat confusing. Perhaps a more official binding agreement would clarify much confusion about what sorts of lore Candlekeep may and may not publish. I understand this is much beyond CK's ability to control, or even the ability of far more prominent wizards ... but it would be nice.
Indeed, I'm inclined to agree. I've sought legal advice before on this subject, from my legalese friend. She's assured me of certain "can do" and "cannot do" dictates that Candlekeep must adhere to. But until we've some kind of further definitive policy from Wizards on the issue, I'm afraid we're left to "flounder, somewhat, in the dark" so to speak.

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Ayrik
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Posted - 26 Nov 2010 :  04:48:37  Show Profile Send Ayrik a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I believe the "Report Scroll" approach dracons offered was meant to suggest a different sort of implementation, one that is fairly common in other libraries. In essence, an extra magical glyph is added to the toolbar (called, rather excitingly, "Report Post to the Moderators") which simply assigns an imp to carry a private message (that is, only the exact placement of the glyph and who invoked it) to a preassigned invisible gathering place for more sagely consideration.
Yes, private complaints should not become a matter of public debate in these hallowed halls - most libraries use this for tracking spam activities (though I have yet to encounter a single spam anywhere hereabouts, amazing job).

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Dennis
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Posted - 26 Nov 2010 :  04:55:24  Show Profile Send Dennis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Trolls shouldn't be encouraged.

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Ayrik
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Posted - 26 Nov 2010 :  05:00:28  Show Profile Send Ayrik a Private Message  Reply with Quote
It's still a good (and easily implemented) suggestion, though. At least it's on topic.

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