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Misereor
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Posted - 27 Aug 2015 :  18:50:32  Show Profile Send Misereor a Private Message


Thanks for the answers, but except for Chondath, I'm pretty sure that the other cases of ill-will were not engendered by Elven leisure habits.
I think it was in Elminster; Making of a Mage, that Ed mentioned that there were Elves who used to hunt humans (and presumably other non-Elves) for sport in pre-Netheril times.
I'm guessing it was a type of defensive monster hunts, that in time became a decadent cultural habit and were eventually abolished.

...Come to think of it (even though that was in the Works of Bob Salvatore) that could be the origins of Dark-Elf ritualistic hunting expeditions against surface Elves.
After all, Dark Elves make a point of naming other Elves N'Tel'Quessir ("not of the People" i.e. non-Elves), so I guess taking an ancient hunting ritual and perpetrating it on surface Elves could serve as an ideological statement as well as continuting the never ending war.

Anyway, I was interested in knowing if there are any Human cultures that remember that particular habit and have a negative view of Elves because of it.



What is dead may never die, but rises again, harder, stronger, in a later edition.
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Demzer
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Posted - 27 Aug 2015 :  18:51:22  Show Profile Send Demzer a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
Think about it - In the Lands of Intrigue, orcs, for the most part, were treated fairly well, and many settlements in those lands have large half-orc populations which are treated nearly as equals (on a case-by-case basis).



Orcs were orcs, until the "Year of Going too Far" (Lands of Intrigue, book 1, page 32), then there weren't enough orcs left south of the Cloud Peaks to be represented in the region demographic figures.

Edited by - Demzer on 27 Aug 2015 18:52:21
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eeorey
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Posted - 27 Aug 2015 :  19:21:38  Show Profile Send eeorey a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Misereor




I think it was in Elminster; Making of a Mage, that Ed mentioned that there were Elves who used to hunt humans (and presumably other non-Elves) for sport in pre-Netheril times.




"Swordplay" the first novel in the Netheril trilogy mentions that the Elves hunted humans for sport so as to "welcome them in their emergence as a civilized people".

I didn't get it either. But that was how one elf explained it. I don't remember much about those novels but they may have some answers to your question.

Edited by - eeorey on 27 Aug 2015 19:22:21
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Markustay
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Posted - 27 Aug 2015 :  21:24:39  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message
To quote Ed Greenwood in The Annotated Elminster (in the 'annotations' part), "Elves are monsters!"






(of course, I am quoting him out-of-context, because he was talking to a RW individual at the time).

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone

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CorellonsDevout
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Posted - 27 Aug 2015 :  21:50:18  Show Profile  Send CorellonsDevout an AOL message Send CorellonsDevout a Private Message
I read other FR books about elves before reading Elminster in Myth Drannor, so I admit their behavior ahocked me. I knew elves could be arrogant, and there were certain individuals I wanted to smack, but in that particular novel, I didn't like most of the elven characters, which is rare for me.

Ed also said in the Annotations that he wanted to show elves behaving "as bad as humans". Being long lived, elves hold on to grudges and fueds longer. As a race, elves aren't "monsters" in the same way other races are by nature "monsters", but there can be individuals--or whole groups--who can be "monstrous", and unfortunately have consequences for the whole race, leading to hatred between elves and other races. I can think of real world issues that are similar, but that would be opening up another can of worms which wouldn't be appropriate here.

In a weird, abstract way, I think the "connection" elves have to one another is one reason why the actions of individuals (or Houses or other groups), usually end up affecting so many other elves. I could be completely off here, but like I said, it would be in a weird, abstract way.

Anyway, this probably belongs in another thread, so I will leave it at that.

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Veritas
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Posted - 30 Aug 2015 :  01:52:22  Show Profile  Visit Veritas's Homepage Send Veritas a Private Message
Hello Ed,

Can you tell us a bit about anyone in the Realms who time travelled (not the hard way, travelling to the future one day at a time). Where/When did they go? Has anyone come from a (possible) future of the Realms to the "present day" and if so, are any of them active? And, being extra greedy, could you share a bit about their objectives? For "present day" purposes, I'll assume we mean in any of the 3e-5e periods. Were the time travel rules relaxed during the magical chaos after the Spellplague and have the rules been re-established now that Mystra has re-emerged?
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Duneth Despana
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Posted - 03 Sep 2015 :  16:21:41  Show Profile Send Duneth Despana a Private Message
who were the ancient Duartan?

« There is no overriding « epic » in the Realms, but rather a large number of stories, adventures, and encounters going on all the time. [...]. Each creative mind adds to the base, creating, defining, and making their contribution to the rich diversity of the Realms. [...]. But Ed built the stage upon which all the plays are presented. Thanks Ed. » -FR Comic no.1
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George Krashos
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Hi Ed and THO

In the Cyclopedia of the Realms from the Ol' Grey Box (p.39) you advise that "recent warfare" destroyed the Circle of Shadowdale and the Battledale Seven druidic groups.

What and who brought about their demise? There just isn't enough good druid realmslore out there for my liking! Thanks in advance.

-- George Krashos


"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus
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grymhild
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Posted - 25 Sep 2015 :  21:10:54  Show Profile Send grymhild a Private Message
Hello Ed and THO,

I have a question regarding non-human clergy of Lolth and Eilistraee.

On Nov 5, 2006 THO posted
http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5812&whichpage=67

quote:
It is true that for some decades in the Realms (the time covered by the Realms boxed sets of both the 1st and 2nd Edition) there were apparently no male clerics of Lolth and no male clerics of Eilistraee, and no non-drow clergy of either goddess.

and
quote:
There wasn’t a single date or clear moment when the acceptance of males and non-drow began; it seems to have been slowly and almost secretively occurring over a decade or so. However, as of 1373 DR, “everyone” among the clergy of Eilistraee now seems to be aware of it.


However, this seems to contradict 2e AD&D sources such as Drow of the Underdark and Demihuman Deities.
quote:
TSR 9326 FOR2 Drow of the Underdark, p. 23

"All clergy of Eilistraee are females of any intelligent race.

quote:
TSR 9326 FOR2 Drow of the Underdark, p. 24

"At least once a year, priestesses of Eilistraee undertake a "Run." Those who are not drow blacken their bodies with natural dyes and oils. All priestesses, drow or not, boil certain leaves and berries to make their hair silvery..."

quote:
TSR 9585 Demihuman Deities, p. 14

"All clergy of Eilistraee must be female, but they may be of any intelligent race."

quote:
TSR 9585 Demihuman Deities, p. 17

"Sword dancers can be of any intelligent race, but they must be female."


(and for Lolth)
quote:
TSR 9326 FOR2 Drow of the Underdark, p. 38

"Customs, Rules, & Taboos: [ . . . ] There are male priests of Lolth, but the Spider Queen very rarely allows them to rise above 7th level of experience."

quote:
MC3 Forgotten Realms Appendix, Entry Chitines

"Chitines are cast-off experiments of the drow. They have increased in numbers over the centuries, and even now plot to overthrow the drow who are Lolth's favorites. They are devoted to their spider queen and will do anything in her name. The priestesses of the chitines are rumored to be of a different and more powerful race, more akin to Lolth herself."



My question is: Even if they would have been rare, did Eilistraee accept non-drow clergy before the Time of Troubles, in say 1350-1351 DR.

For example, in DR 1351, would a goodly human who had been aiding and protecting Eilistraeen drow, joining the Dance and accepting The Dark Maiden as their patron deity, be permitted to become clergy?

Also, were half-drow ever forbidden to be clergy of The Dark Maiden?


Thank-you,

~Grymhild


May Her Song Touch Your Heart And Bring You Joy

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TBeholder
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Posted - 26 Sep 2015 :  17:14:22  Show Profile Send TBeholder a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by grymhild

On Nov 5, 2006 THO posted
quote:
It is true that for some decades in the Realms (the time covered by the Realms boxed sets of both the 1st and 2nd Edition) there were apparently no male clerics of Lolth and no male clerics of Eilistraee, and no non-drow clergy of either goddess.

and
quote:
There wasn’t a single date or clear moment when the acceptance of males and non-drow began; it seems to have been slowly and almost secretively occurring over a decade or so. However, as of 1373 DR, “everyone” among the clergy of Eilistraee now seems to be aware of it.

However, this seems to contradict 2e AD&D sources such as Drow of the Underdark and Demihuman Deities.
quote:
TSR 9326 FOR2 Drow of the Underdark, p. 23

"All clergy of Eilistraee are females of any intelligent race.

...

And the Dambraii half-drow venerate Lolth (it's secondary to the state religion of Loviatar, but she is an ancestral deity of their relatives/neighbours/allies in T'lindhet, after all).
But what exactly "seems to contradict" what?
Both deities evidently had male or non-drow priests, but so rare and/or remote and/or otherwise not noticeable that "there were apparently no" such.
And?.. You understand what "generalisation" is, right? Use common sense...
How many surface elves (of any sort) want to hang out with the drow (of any sort), much less look up at them? Where's that Dambrath and how many outsiders (other than from T'lindhet) visit it? How many surface-dwellers ever heard of the chitines at all, much less in juicy details? How exactly would an average hunter tell a drow from a wood elf with skin painted dark and hair silver, if he barely gets to see a glimpse of hair and sword as she runs by?..

I'm obviously not Ed, but it puzzles me that this needs a clarification at all, much less "from the horse's mouth".

People never wonder How the world goes round -Helloween
And even I make no pretense Of having more than common sense -R.W.Wood
It's not good, Eric. It's a gazebo. -Ed Whitchurch

Edited by - TBeholder on 26 Sep 2015 17:18:57
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Xnella Moonblade-Thann
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Posted - 26 Sep 2015 :  21:43:21  Show Profile Send Xnella Moonblade-Thann a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by TBeholder

quote:
Originally posted by grymhild

On Nov 5, 2006 THO posted
quote:
It is true that for some decades in the Realms (the time covered by the Realms boxed sets of both the 1st and 2nd Edition) there were apparently no male clerics of Lolth and no male clerics of Eilistraee, and no non-drow clergy of either goddess.

and
quote:
There wasn’t a single date or clear moment when the acceptance of males and non-drow began; it seems to have been slowly and almost secretively occurring over a decade or so. However, as of 1373 DR, “everyone” among the clergy of Eilistraee now seems to be aware of it.

However, this seems to contradict 2e AD&D sources such as Drow of the Underdark and Demihuman Deities.
quote:
TSR 9326 FOR2 Drow of the Underdark, p. 23

"All clergy of Eilistraee are females of any intelligent race.

...

And the Dambraii half-drow venerate Lolth (it's secondary to the state religion of Loviatar, but she is an ancestral deity of their relatives/neighbours/allies in T'lindhet, after all).
But what exactly "seems to contradict" what?
Both deities evidently had male or non-drow priests, but so rare and/or remote and/or otherwise not noticeable that "there were apparently no" such.
And?.. You understand what "generalisation" is, right? Use common sense...
How many surface elves (of any sort) want to hang out with the drow (of any sort), much less look up at them? Where's that Dambrath and how many outsiders (other than from T'lindhet) visit it? How many surface-dwellers ever heard of the chitines at all, much less in juicy details? How exactly would an average hunter tell a drow from a wood elf with skin painted dark and hair silver, if he barely gets to see a glimpse of hair and sword as she runs by?..

I'm obviously not Ed, but it puzzles me that this needs a clarification at all, much less "from the horse's mouth".



TBholder, not everyone can read between the lines on Realms Lore, and sometimes people miss details the first few times they read the lore. Don't be so harsh and demeaning with your words, please. It may make some scribes nervous to post their questions to the creator of the Realms if the other scribes act like the questions asked are too stupid to be asked.

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Clegane
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Posted - 27 Sep 2015 :  01:36:45  Show Profile Send Clegane a Private Message
To Ed or THO,

If Waterdeep or the like was to have a Realm's Strongest Man Contest like the Met RX World's Strongest Man contest, who would the top contenders be?

Thanks.

P.S. Assuming natural born, no magical enhancements.
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grymhild
Acolyte

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Posted - 27 Sep 2015 :  21:41:12  Show Profile Send grymhild a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Xnella Moonblade-Thann
TBholder, not everyone can read between the lines on Realms Lore, and sometimes people miss details the first few times they read the lore. Don't be so harsh and demeaning with your words, please. It may make some scribes nervous to post their questions to the creator of the Realms if the other scribes act like the questions asked are too stupid to be asked.


Thank-you ^_^



quote:
Originally posted by TBeholder
...
And the Dambraii half-drow venerate Lolth (it's secondary to the state religion of Loviatar, but she is an ancestral deity of their relatives/neighbours/allies in T'lindhet, after all).
But what exactly "seems to contradict" what?
Both deities evidently had male or non-drow priests, but so rare and/or remote and/or otherwise not noticeable that "there were apparently no" such.
And?.. You understand what "generalisation" is, right? Use common sense...
How many surface elves (of any sort) want to hang out with the drow (of any sort), much less look up at them? Where's that Dambrath and how many outsiders (other than from T'lindhet) visit it? How many surface-dwellers ever heard of the chitines at all, much less in juicy details? How exactly would an average hunter tell a drow from a wood elf with skin painted dark and hair silver, if he barely gets to see a glimpse of hair and sword as she runs by?..

I'm obviously not Ed, but it puzzles me that this needs a clarification at all, much less "from the horse's mouth".



TBeholder, _I_ mostly agree with you (though your tone seemed a bit condescending )


Personally, I interpret THO's statement in 2006 as a somewhat broad generalization, not meant as an absolute exclusion of the existence of non-drow (or non-female) clergy of Eilistraee or Lolth.

However, on the nwn2 server that I am part of, which is currently set in DR 1351, the staff has interpreted THO's statement in a much more restrictive fashion (ignoring Drow of the Underdark and Demihuman Deities)

btw - this isn't about any of my characters on the server but rather it's about me trying to support other players seeking to join the Eilistraeen Moonshard player-guild on the server. (My former -now deceased- character, Rilae'ar'an was a C'rintri Sword Dancer and high priestess of the Circle of Song moonshard, and I am still ooc guild leader/administrator of the guild)


quote:
DM (redacted #1) to another player wrote:
...
When it comes to worship of Eilistraee it is not enabled for humans. We can allow you to pick her as a deity on the these conditions,

You pick the no-deity option and RP worshipping Eilistraee instead
Your character ceases to be a paladin and favoured soul
Your character does not take the cleric class (in fact he won't be able to given the lack of a mechanical deity)

Eilistraee does not support paladins and we generally do not like to see favoured souls switch deities for RP and mechanical reasons. Also in this timeline Eilistraee does not have human clergy.

If a mechanical fix becomes available we can then later change your character's deity to Eilistraee.

How does this sound to you?
quote:
grymhild to the DM Staff wrote:
...
Hi,

I've heard that there might be some confusion by some on the staff as to Eilistraee's clergy.

Unless our server specifically deviates from canon FR lore, Eilistraee accepts females of _any_ intelligent race as a priestess.

quote:
TSR 9326 FOR2 Drow of the Underdark, p. 23 wrote:
"All clergy of Eilistraee are females of any intelligent race."

quote:
TSR 9585 Demihuman Deities, p. 13 (p. 11 in an OCR pdf) wrote:
"Eilistraee also has worshipers of human, elven, and in particular, half-elven stock (particularly around Silverymoon), and she looks kindly upon the Harpers."

quote:
TSR 9585 Demihuman Deities, p. 14 (p. 13 ocr pdf) wrote:
"All clergy of Eilistraee must be female, but they may be of any intelligent race."

quote:
TSR 9585 Demihuman Deities, p. 17 (p 16. ocr pdf) wrote:
"Sword dancers can be of any intelligent race, but they must be female."


... my question is... what is the lore source for Eilistraee only accepting elven blooded clergy (ie. Drow, half-drow, elves, half-elves)?

~Grymhild
quote:
Head DM (redacted #2)
...
The source for this is Ed Greenwood.

His replies on Candlekeep give a history of the development of Eilistraee's clergy. Check the post from "The Hooded One" dated 5th November 2006 in this thread: http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5812&whichpage=67

Its also quoted here: http://www.candlekeep.com/library/articles/sse/sse_101112-06.htm

As you will see, in our timeline strictly speaking the only clergy allowed are female drow as our server is pre 1st Edition, and the faith is secluded and isolationist. Changes start in about 1363 DR

Mechanically on this server though the deity is open to male and female elves and half elves and so we have allowed that.

But an expansion to humans and other races is throwing the lore baby out with the bathwater so we have not allowed it.




------------------


So, I was hoping for a clarification because apparently some people interpret this differently than I do. :S




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Edited by - grymhild on 27 Sep 2015 22:21:56
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CorellonsDevout
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Eilistraee would of course accept male followers, but as far as I know, it is rare for a male to be in the clergy. I know there was a point when they were forbidden to join in the nightly dancing. I love Eilistraee, but that restriction has always bothered me, because she is supposed to be about equality and liberating drow.

That said, males fare better under her than they do under Lolth, and are treated well and with respect.

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Irennan
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quote:
Originally posted by CorellonsDevout

Eilistraee would of course accept male followers, but as far as I know, it is rare for a male to be in the clergy. I know there was a point when they were forbidden to join in the nightly dancing. I love Eilistraee, but that restriction has always bothered me, because she is supposed to be about equality and liberating drow.



In his post, Ed said that males are allowed in all rituals, except those more intense and specific to clergy (unless they join the clergy by dancing the ''changedance''). It is necessary because ''one could only feel the divine dance of Eilistraee as a female'', so it is mostly related to Eilistraee's nature, that Ed has laso said to be that of a mother goddess (and even goddess of fertility).

Sourcebooks also have absolutely nothing about males not being allowed to join the dances.


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Edited by - Irennan on 28 Sep 2015 02:34:37
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CorellonsDevout
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Oh, okay then. I was just going by what I had read in the novels, so if the sourcebooks (and Ed), say otherwise, great. I have Demihuman Deities, but I don't remember whether or not it mentioned that males could join in the dance/rituals. I knew Elkantar was likely an exception, since he was First of the Lady (which is why I said rare cases). I just hadn't read anything about males being allowed to participate, so I didn't know.

Sweet water and light laughter

Edited by - CorellonsDevout on 28 Sep 2015 02:39:40
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Irennan
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quote:
Originally posted by CorellonsDevout

Oh, okay then. I was just going by what I had read in the novels, so if the sourcebooks (and Ed), say otherwise, great.



Idk why the portrayal in the novels exacerbated the difference between male and female followers of Eilistraee to that degree. It's like they tried to make Eilistraee a goddess ''for the females'' and Vhaeraun a god ''for the males'', which goes against their goal and characters.

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CorellonsDevout
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Right, which is why I always thought it strange that males weren't allowed, considering Eilistraee is also a goddess that strives for equality.

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Irennan
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quote:
Originally posted by CorellonsDevout
I have Demihuman Deities, but I don't remember whether or not it mentioned that males could join in the dance/rituals.



The Circles of Dance and Song are open to all followers (they are the collective dances and the iconic rituals of the faith). The Evensong is an intimate ''communication'' with Eilistraee that all followers do in solitude. The Run and Hunts are usually led by priestesses, but nothing is said about males not being allowed. The Last Dance is reserved to priest(esse)s. Dancing and singing as a prayer to Eilistraee (i.e. for spells) is reserved to priest(esse)s. So, only the last two are exclusive to priestesses, and can be joined by males, if they dance the changedance first.

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Wooly Rupert
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Digging up a bit of older lore...

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Oooh, great question!
dravenloft, I can clearly recall a sudden fad among adventurers in the Moonsea North, Dales, Sembia, Cormyr, and Lake of Dragons area, in 1357 DR, for using bucklers (the small, round, hand-sized shields). Great in unexpected duels or close-quarters taverm brawls, but of less utility against orcs or barbarians whaling away at you with huge axes or two-handed swords.
That fad was followed by a fashion that lasted for four years (and in some cases clung for another decade or so) for wearing a huge plate-armored "battle arm" (sleeve, fastened at shoulder and wrist, and covering one arm in a properly-jointed but massively armored [[and adorned]] assembly of overlapping and sliding armor plates that covered one arm from shoulder to wrist. Worn even with festive clothing, not just "when armored and ready for war."
As the creator of all of this, Ed can, of course, elaborate.
love,
THO



I quite liked this tidbit from the other day, and mentioned in an email to Ed that I was making a dwarf NPC with a battle arm. He added:

quote:
Ah, yes, battle arms. Remember that they are great places to wear hidden keys, lockpicks, pionards and "knitting needle daggers," and for a dwarf to latch a detachable drinking-cup to . . . :}


I'm sure there will be still more to follow, but -- as we all know -- Edlore must be shared!



So why am I bringing this up, more than three years after the lore was first shared? Well, I saw this today on the Facebook, and it is rather similar to what Ed described. Not the same thing, obviously, but similar.

Medieval armor goes high fashion -- and looks fantastic

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Seravin
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Greetings beautiful THO,

We are discussing on another thread a question someone on Facebook had; and I thought it would be best to go to Ed (or yourself). What are the tallest buildings in the Realms? Maybe separated for the ones made by humanoids, by giants, and the ones that are created by magic versus non-magical.

Any insight would be appreciated!

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xaeyruudh
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Hi all. Hope all is well with you, Ed and THO!

From FR Adventures, pg 139:

quote:

Orl: A gemstone believed unique to the North, where it is found only in "blue caves" such as those at Whaeloon.



What/where is Whaeloon?

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George Krashos
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You mean Wheloon in Cormyr. Now a "prison city" ... *sigh*

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Posted - 09 Oct 2015 :  01:38:37  Show Profile Send Irennan a Private Message
The FR wiki has a nice article on it: http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Wheloon

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Posted - 09 Oct 2015 :  01:54:51  Show Profile  Visit xaeyruudh's Homepage Send xaeyruudh a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

You mean Wheloon in Cormyr. Now a "prison city" ... *sigh*

-- George Krashos



Thank ya, George and Irennan. Aye, I'm aware of Wheloon, but it's outside what I've previously considered the North... and are there blue caves at Wheloon?

Also, I agree with that sigh. But! I have high hopes for the future. Future fan developments anyway. Jury's still out on the official directions.

Edited by - xaeyruudh on 09 Oct 2015 01:55:29
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