Author |
Topic  |
dazzlerdal
Great Reader
    
United Kingdom
4335 Posts |
|
crazedventurers
Master of Realmslore
   
United Kingdom
1073 Posts |
Posted - 22 Apr 2015 : 16:54:18
|
quote: Originally posted by Jeremy Grenemyer
Crazed, that was a great follow up question.
I think it would be cool if one of the paintings was a one waytime portal leading back to that painting's era, or a portal leading to a fixed size demiplane where every day at the castle is the same day over and over. Wouldn't be surprised to find a few escapees or refugees from Cormyr's past in that last one.
This sounds like just the sort of thing the Sword Heralds would have been doing whilst they were/are pottering around the Forest Country doing wizardry thing.
Any sane monarch of the Kingdom would have made sure they were busy doing 'gates in paintings to demi-planes/hideyholes/secret meeting rooms' rather than have them get bored and start trying to find out who the mistress of Earl Crownsilver actually is, or where the, recently deceased Keeper of the Garderobe Keys is buried (and why), or just deciding that they would like to reroute the Starwater Flow and end up blowing up the Kingdom instead.
You can't let wizards get bored, they get up to all sorts of shenanigans!

Cheers
Damian |
So saith Ed. I've never said he was sane, have I? Gods, all this writing and he's running a constant fantasy version of Coronation Street in his head, too. . shudder, love to all, THO Candlekeep Forum 7 May 2005 |
 |
|
Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
   
1953 Posts |
Posted - 23 Apr 2015 : 13:21:05
|
Dear Lady THO, I found this quote in one of Jeremy's scrolls and wonder if Ed, or anybody else still has this info.
[1] Ed Greenwood talked about the Bel's Blade and other haunted ships that ply the waters of the Realms over at Loremaster.org, but sadly that post was lost. Thanks go to Matt James for hosting that Ed Q&A as I got some pretty good ideas from it. |
Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
Green Dragonscale Dice Bag by Crystalsidyll - check it out
|
 |
|
Byte Man
Acolyte
USA
4 Posts |
Posted - 26 Apr 2015 : 22:08:33
|
Hail, and Well Met!
Never having done this before, mainly because I always felt asking Ed anything would be presuming on a friendship that only exists in my head, I wanted to start with something simple Therefore, my inquiry to Master Ed of the Greenwood is as follows:
"Ever since the 2nd Edition FRCS box set, I have beenaware of a certain demigoddess named Sharess, the Lady of Lust and cats. I was facinated at this goddess, and the life she led, particularly as more of her backstory came to light. My question is, are there any plans for her to play a bigger role in the Realms, or is she doomed to forever be a servant of the Firehair?" |
All will be well... |
 |
|
xaeyruudh
Master of Realmslore
   
USA
1825 Posts |
Posted - 30 Apr 2015 : 15:22:29
|
Is it getting summery yet up in the North? Other than a bit of rain yesterday, we've been getting way too much sun in Washington. And I don't even hear California whimpering anymore... I think everyone down there is sun-bleached bones by this point. It's enough to make a person start flirting with Auril.
Speaking of heat and evil... several of the major races have fiendish planetouched subcultures -- tieflings (humans), maeluth (dwarves), fey'ri (elves), wisplings (halflings), and tanarukk (orcs) for example. We might use tiefling as an overall name for any humanoid with fiendish blood, but then we lack a name for the humans in particular. Some of the names are specific - fey'ri and tanarukk definitely suggest tanar'ri connection rather than baatezu. Maeluth are typically lawful-evil... hard to say whether that means they're descended of baatezu or whether dwarven roots in law and structure typically overrule even the demonic corruption.
So if I had my way, we'd have separate names for demonic, devilkin, and fiendish planetouched races so that it's clear what we're talking about when we refer to them. Unfortunately, I don't usually get my way. That being the case, I'll assume/declare that tiefling is used to refer to all fiendish humans, fey'ri refers to all fiendish elves, etc.
My aim in this query is history, though. The preceding was just context. We have history in the Realms for tieflings and fey'ri, but not yet for the others.
Premise: I'd like to give the others an origin-in-the-Realms for my own campaigns.
Tieflings can easily be rooted in Imaskar, with perhaps (without checking existing lore) demonic humans later flourishing in Narfell and devilkin in Raumathar. Of course there could have been other small origin-points too, but I suspect (for my own campaigns) the majority of modern tieflings are descended from the taint of Narfell and Imaskar.
Fey'ri (the majority of them anyway) are probably descended from Aryvandaar and Ascalhorn.
So, finally, the question: What are the logical origins of the other evil planetouched races in the Realms? Which of the old dwarven kingdoms would give rise to a legacy of maeluth? What's the story on wisplings? What is the name for planetouched gnomes, and where did they come from? What planetouched giants lurk hidden from human view?
If these origins don't yet exist, even in the home game, I'm fine with writing them myself... just wanted to check first. 
|
 |
|
Marco Volo
Learned Scribe
 
France
185 Posts |
Posted - 01 May 2015 : 12:05:36
|
Hi, My players asked me a tricky question at the end of a game session :
"We are in Waterdeep, we have some gold bar and mithral bar, there must be some kind of real world banks in this town to deposit them, right ?"
And I was like : "I have to check my files". And Ed, THO, you're my "files" in this case. Thanks in advance for sharing any kind of answer about the existence of banks (or sort of) in Waterdeep and how do they worked.
Regards, MV |
Edited by - Marco Volo on 01 May 2015 12:07:45 |
 |
|
Caladan Brood
Senior Scribe
  
Norway
410 Posts |
|
kysus
Learned Scribe
 
USA
83 Posts |
Posted - 12 May 2015 : 11:04:55
|
Hello again, I bear more questions for Ed if I may, Two topics in particular though somewhat related. The first is Hunters down in volo's guide to the dalelands. It speaks of a war between elves called the searing which im unfamiliar with and couldn't find any information on it in Steven's cormanthor book, as far as dates go, and was wondering if you had anymore information on the searing as well as the two noble families mentioned in hunter's down the Hlarr and Yhendorn.
My second question is about your novel the Herald, there are several scenes in there that depict the tombs of several dead elven families. Were these extinct elven families among the 48 houses that had died out before myth drannor was sacked the first time or was it during the spell plaque years? |
 |
|
dazzlerdal
Great Reader
    
United Kingdom
4335 Posts |
Posted - 12 May 2015 : 13:05:11
|
I have something about the Searing from George Krashos if it helps
quote: The Searing In the days so forgotten and long ago that they've become known to some sages as "the Dawn Days" (others call them "the Dawn Age" or "the Time of Dragons"), a time so distant that present-day Realmslore preserves no reliable written records and scant known facts from them (so that what follows is largely drawn from old ballads), most of the lands around the Sea of Fallen Stars were one vast, deep forest. This great woodland was home to many creatures, of whom perhaps the proudest and the most advanced in Art, craftings, and courtesies were the elves. Their time of might and great realms and mastery of magic were soon to come, but were then more the stuff of excited dreams than reality. In the Dalereckoning of today, the years of the events recounted hereafter would have been -24,600 DR and the three decades or so that followed. Dragons ruled the peaks and skies in those days, and betimes set forests afire to flush forth food from the dim green depths. Inside the mountains, the power of the dwarves was quietly rising as the pride and ruling vigor of the giants was sapped by endless wars with orcs, hobgoblins, goblins, and their kindred. One region where orcs were strong and dwarves gaining power (in part because ongoing strife with the rising might of ogres to the immediate north, in what was to become known as Thar, had weakened local giants) was the Lhaurokh, later known as the Dragonreach. Wood elves dwelt in small treehome communities near present-day Ravens Bluff, and moon elves lived in small clan hunting territories in what is now Featherdale, Battledale, Harrowdale, and Deepingdale. There arose among the wood elves an ambitious war-leader known as Aubron Halavanthlarr, who chafed against the gentle, peaceful ways of his kin (who lived in harmony with the forest, clearing nothing, building as little as possible, and tending the beasts they hunted with the same patient care as they gardened herbs and leafy edibles---notably the fleshy-leafed sarrauva vine---in the high boughs of the forest). This young elf met with little approval from his elders. At length Halavanthlarr gathered a handful of his friends who shared his restlessness and eagerness for adventure, and set forth into the forest to seek power and better things. Somewhere near present-day Tsurlagol, he found a small realm of gold elves who'd mastered magic enough to slay wyverns, cage some edible forest monsters, and even to fight off dragons who espied these morsels and descended for an easy meal (but who soon turned their attentions to easier dining elsewhere, when met by spells that most of them assumed were the work of a hidden dragon who'd set out the caged creatures as a lure for dragonkind). Halavanthlarr seized what magic he could, first by stealth and then through bloodshed, and happened upon Ulelesse Chamaranthe, an unhappy young 'she' of the gold elves who was smitten by his strangeness and daring. He spirited her away, and---hunted by a few of her kin--- made his way back to his people. There Halavanthlarr's new-found magic, boldness, and cunning soon won him followers. Although most of the wood elves remained horrified at his ways, Halavanthlarr took the most restless of his kin with him---away from the treehomes and across the Lhaurr (the waters of the Reach) to the 'far forests' on the other side...in other words, to the western shores where, unbeknownst to the wood elves, dwelt the Oronthaebur. The Oronthaebur, or 'Moon Clans,' built but little, and changed the woods they called home little more than the wood elves across the sundering Lhaurr. There were at least three eight-counts of these moon peoples, and though rivalries between them were often fierce, they avoided each other's lands, and so passed the years in relative peace. When Halavanthlarr came, the Oronthaebur merely 'faded away into the forest' before his advance. Calling themselves the Hlarr in an echo of their revered leader's name, Halavanthlarr's wood elves began to mount hunts of their own: cage-captures to breed beasts for food as well as food-slayings. They sought out the best springs and beast-colonies, faring ever farther inland, and slew Moon Clan elves upon sight. As self-styled lord over the Hlarr, Halavanthlarr hewed ever to two things: keeping his folk in readiness for war, with arms and patrols and sentries; and mastering ever-greater magic, with spell experimentations and sharing. The Oronthaebur watched him in their turn, and knew fear. 'Madlord' they named him, and gave way before his ever-farther forays, until at length they were driven to meet among themselves in uneasy, unaccustomed alliance against him, and whelm their magical might, and make ready for war. They took the name 'Yhendorn' after the wise elder who convened the council, and bound his own mind to that of a nearby green wyrm to make their greatest weapon: a dragon the moon elves could control, to wage war for them. Thus emboldened, they struck back at the wood elves in strength, working slaughter upon three patrols with their arms and spells alone. Enraged, Halavanthlarr hurled other patrols against the Yhendorn; only a few ragged survivors fled back to him. Mastering his temper into a cold fury, Halavanthlarr ordered the Hlarr back to their coastal holds, to gather all the magic and arms they could. "Hold nothing back," he's reputed to have said, "for there is no sunrise for the defeated." In one host, some seventy or eighty strong, they went hunting the Yhendorn---and were skillfully harried and led to the forested height that is today known as Hunters' Down, in Deepingdale. There the dragon swept down upon them, and their spells raged, and in a day-long, bloody fray the dragon perished, along with the elder who guided it...and almost all of the Hlarr. A few Yhendorn survived. So also did Ulelesse Chamaranthe, who'd led a handful of young shes aside from the final fray---and Halavanthlarr, who fled, alone and wounded, back east towards the coast. Ere he reached it, he was met by three grim Chamaranthe gold elves, who slew him, the ballads insist, with their bare hands. Ulelesse led her handful of shes to the dragon-torn battlefield, and on the height gathered the dead and comforted the surviving Yhendorn. There the three warriors of her kin who'd hunted and slain her Halavanthlarr found her. She refused to return to her homeland with them, choosing to remain with the Yhendorn, and in time a few---a very few---moon and gold elves made traffic and friendship between what is now Deepingdale and the coast nigh what is now Tsurlagol. Under the guidance of Ulelesse Chamaranthe, who became known as 'Old Mother' (this is the same "Old Mother" that many Fair Folk of the three dryland elven races tell moral tales to their young about, and sometimes, when astonished or facing doom, startle themselves by swearing by) the handful of Yhendorn grew great in magic. They and she raised the earthen barrow-tomb atop the hill that holds the dead of the Searing, and became the baelnorn who guarded it down the passing ages, and still guard it today. Some folk in Deepingdale say that certain of the baelnorn walk the Dales, in disguise and cloaked in concealing magic, and watch unfolding events. This they have always done, sometimes aiding or giving warnings, and often covertly stealing magic. For some years, in the early days of the Elven Court (and among the Heralds soon after their founding), it was the custom of certain reverent elves (and heralds) to journey to Hunters' Down and converse with the baelnorn, trading enchanted items, spell scrolls, and news of events across the Realms for specific lore answers. Some say most of the Chosen of Mystra have also made this journey---and Elminster has confirmed that pacts have been made that will bring the aid of present-day wizards to baelnorn of Hunters' Down who request it.
-- George Krashos
|
Forgotten Realms Alternate Dimensions Candlekeep Archive Forgotten Realms Alternate Dimensions: Issue 1 Forgotten Realms Alternate Dimensions: Issue 2 Forgotten Realms Alternate Dimensions: Issue 3 Forgotten Realms Alternate Dimensions: Issue 4 Forgotten Realms Alternate Dimensions: Issue 5 Forgotten Realms Alternate Dimensions: Issue 6 Forgotten Realms Alternate Dimensions: Issue 7 Forgotten Realms Alternate Dimensions: Issue 8 Forgotten Realms Alternate Dimensions: Issue 9
Alternate Realms Site |
 |
|
kysus
Learned Scribe
 
USA
83 Posts |
Posted - 12 May 2015 : 19:08:55
|
Actually, now Im even more confused. |
 |
|
George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
    
Australia
5391 Posts |
Posted - 13 May 2015 : 00:45:09
|
That's not my lore. It's Ed's, from one of his threads in the Chamber of Sages. I wish I could come up with stuff that good!
-- George Krashos |
"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus |
 |
|
The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
    
5055 Posts |
Posted - 13 May 2015 : 03:48:54
|
kysus, More confused about . . .?
As for your second question: those are ancient elven family tombs, from "way back when." (Before the FIRST fall of Myth Drannor. So, guarded by their baelnorn throughout the time of rampaging demons and devils in Myth Drannor (a chaos first glimpsed in Ed's 1987 Realms novel SPELLFIRE.) So far as I know, no new baelnorn were created during the Spellplague years, anywhere.
I hope this helps. love, THO |
 |
|
The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
    
5055 Posts |
Posted - 13 May 2015 : 03:59:46
|
Hi again, all. Yes, I'm back from a lengthy Net-silent real-world work assignment, and bringing you the words of Ed of the Greenwood once more...
Byte Man, re. this: "Hail, and Well Met! Never having done this before, mainly because I always felt asking Ed anything would be presuming on a friendship that only exists in my head, I wanted to start with something simple Therefore, my inquiry to Master Ed of the Greenwood is as follows: "Ever since the 2nd Edition FRCS box set, I have beenaware of a certain demigoddess named Sharess, the Lady of Lust and cats. I was facinated at this goddess, and the life she led, particularly as more of her backstory came to light. My question is, are there any plans for her to play a bigger role in the Realms, or is she doomed to forever be a servant of the Firehair?"
Heeeere's Ed:
Byte Man, by all means ask me anything. There are things I can't answer because of NDAs or because I just don't know, but any fan of the Realms is a friend of mine! Ask away! And in this case, I can answer you: *I* certainly have plans to have Sharess play a larger role, but over the years some editors have been uneasy regarding Loviatar, Sharess, and the other "sexy" or sex-related deities, and have quite rightly taken the approach that we should spotlight and detail naughty things that could offend some fans (and buyers) only when there are good STORY reasons for doing so. And we just haven't been telling stories that took us closer to Sharess. Yet. Will my plans bear any fruit? That's where I have to hand you one of those "I just don't know" answers. Or non-answers. Of course, you COULD attend the next Spin A Yarn and make very sure that Sharess lore becomes a crucial story element . . .
So saith Ed. And there you have it. Want me to try to nudge Ed into sharing anything from his old notes, regarding Sharess? I can be pretty persuasive when I want to . . . love, THO |
 |
|
The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
    
5055 Posts |
Posted - 13 May 2015 : 04:08:18
|
And there's more . . . This time, Ed replies to Marco Volo, re. this: "Hi, My players asked me a tricky question at the end of a game session : "We are in Waterdeep, we have some gold bar and mithral bar, there must be some kind of real world banks in this town to deposit them, right ?" And I was like : "I have to check my files". And Ed, THO, you're my "files" in this case. Thanks in advance for sharing any kind of answer about the existence of banks (or sort of) in Waterdeep and how do they worked. Regards, MV"
And Ed saith:
Hi, Marco Volo. All temples in the Realms, and in Waterdeep that includes The Plinth and the new Temple of Waukeen in particular, have always functioned as banks. There are also independent (non-guilded) moneylenders (Mirt was the most famous of them, but he's been away from Waterdeep for nigh a century, or not, depending on when your Realms campaign is set) in the city, who also function as moneychangers and money storers (in other words, as bankers). So does the Palace, using Castle Waterdeep as their treasury vaults (and many people trust them more than any other source). Certain landlords in the city also "play banker," because it helps with cash flow problems. I hope this is of help. Let me know if you need more.
And there you have it. Ed's ride to the lore rescue is belated because of me, I'm afraid. I'll try not to be so silent for so long again, but the nature of my work sometimes means I have to be, without much warning. love, THO
|
 |
|
dazzlerdal
Great Reader
    
United Kingdom
4335 Posts |
|
dazzlerdal
Great Reader
    
United Kingdom
4335 Posts |
|
The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
    
5055 Posts |
Posted - 13 May 2015 : 16:11:48
|
Hello again. dazzlerdal, here's Ed's reply:
Dwarvenhome was known to the dwarves as Ahrrune.
(from: runedar = haven, home for all and ahrraem = all-kin, meaning the race of dwarves)
. . . and it follows that dwarves referred to themselves formally (as a race) as Ahrraem. A less formal, daily "we" or "dwarves" (meaning: a group of dwarves that wasn't all one clan or family, or a group assembled for a specific purpose like a warband or a shift in a mine) is "Ahra" (as in, "ahra always drink from the higher spring," or "ahra prefer that ale to the weak human stuff")
So saith Ed, and there you have it.  love, THO |
 |
|
George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
    
Australia
5391 Posts |
Posted - 13 May 2015 : 18:20:18
|
quote: Originally posted by The Hooded One
Hello again. dazzlerdal, here's Ed's reply:
Dwarvenhome was known to the dwarves as Ahrrune.
(from: runedar = haven, home for all and ahrraem = all-kin, meaning the race of dwarves)
. . . and it follows that dwarves referred to themselves formally (as a race) as Ahrraem. A less formal, daily "we" or "dwarves" (meaning: a group of dwarves that wasn't all one clan or family, or a group assembled for a specific purpose like a warband or a shift in a mine) is "Ahra" (as in, "ahra always drink from the higher spring," or "ahra prefer that ale to the weak human stuff")
So saith Ed, and there you have it.  love, THO
Thanks Ed and THO. Love that dwarf lore.
Given Ed's response, what then are the words/terms for "dwarf" (singular), "clan" and "ruling house" (like the Iron House of Tethyamar). Oh, and if Ed's feeling generous, what are the dwarven words for "elf"/"elves", "human"/"humans", "gnome"/"gnomes" and "halfling"/"halflings"?
-- George Krashos
|
"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus |
 |
|
The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
    
5055 Posts |
Posted - 13 May 2015 : 21:18:42
|
Hi, George. Dwarf, singular is "arl" (I know that one off the top of my head, but for answering your others I'll need Ed or to find older notes of mine, and both are out of reach at the moment. So, more later...) love, THO |
 |
|
The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
    
5055 Posts |
Posted - 14 May 2015 : 16:31:45
|
Hi again, all. George, Ed has come through. Here are your dwarvish queries:
Clan: ddin Dwarf: arl Elf: elgon Elves (group): elgonnyn Elves (race): gonnynd Gnome: del Gnomes (group): deldal Gnomes (race): delvar Halfling: thim Halflings (group): thimdal Halflings (race): orthim Human: tahl Humans (group): tahln Humans (race): oumtahl Ruling House: ostoan
So saith Ed. And there you have it! love, THO |
 |
|
Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief

    
USA
31817 Posts |
Posted - 14 May 2015 : 17:34:02
|
On a related note, do dwarves have a general, catchall term for non-dwarves? Something similar to the elven N'Tel'Quess?
And how about dwarven profanity? |
Candlekeep Forums Moderator
Candlekeep - The Library of Forgotten Realms Lore http://www.candlekeep.com -- Candlekeep Forum Code of Conduct
Editor and scribe for The Candlekeep Compendium
I am the Giant Space Hamster of Ill Omen!  |
 |
|
George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
    
Australia
5391 Posts |
Posted - 15 May 2015 : 01:34:24
|
quote: Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
On a related note, do dwarves have a general, catchall term for non-dwarves? Something similar to the elven N'Tel'Quess?
And how about dwarven profanity?
Ed in his "Forging the Realms" article "Outcast House" gave the term "thaelwi" for non-dwarves.
-- George Krashos |
"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus |
 |
|
George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
    
Australia
5391 Posts |
Posted - 15 May 2015 : 01:37:39
|
quote: Originally posted by The Hooded One
Hi again, all. George, Ed has come through. Here are your dwarvish queries:
Clan: ddin Dwarf: arl Elf: elgon Elves (group): elgonnyn Elves (race): gonnynd Gnome: del Gnomes (group): deldal Gnomes (race): delvar Halfling: thim Halflings (group): thimdal Halflings (race): orthim Human: tahl Humans (group): tahln Humans (race): oumtahl Ruling House: ostoan
So saith Ed. And there you have it! love, THO
Glorious lore. My dwarven lexicon runneth over. As a thanks I'll have to finish crafting some realmslore tonight and send it through to Ed.
And thank you THO. As always, you deliver the good stuff. One day, I'm going to have to meet you. I don't suppose that you could take some vacation time around GENCON 2017 and pop in to visit ...?
-- George Krashos |
"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus |
 |
|
MalariaMoon
Learned Scribe
 
324 Posts |
Posted - 16 May 2015 : 07:39:42
|
Hi Ed and THO,
I wonder if the 1st ed. norkers were ever a part of the Realms? If yes, then where would you be most likely to encounter them?
Many thanks, MalariaMoon |
 |
|
BenN
Senior Scribe
  
Japan
356 Posts |
Posted - 16 May 2015 : 08:15:40
|
quote: Originally posted by The Hooded One
Hi, BenN, I've tracked down an e-mail from Ed in which he says:
Narya survived, too, sorely wounded, but is under care in Semberholme and expected to survive; the right spells and treatment should replace the right forearm she lost in the fighting.
So saith Ed. And no, Narya isn't, so far as Ed or I know, mentioned in other published Realmslore, but I do know Ed has jotted down something of her story and past dealings with the Delcastles, because that same e-mail mentioned her as one of "half a dozen" elves not of prominent rank, influence, or published Realms profile that Ed "follows" in his imagination to chart the general tenor of the elves in that region (their rises, falls, attitudes, etc.). It might currently be NDA, but I've forwarded your query to him in hopes that it isn't, and you'll get a useful reply. love, THO
Dear THO,
I just wanted to follow-up on the conversation we had back in February (above). Is there any additional info which isn't under NDA? If you/Ed can provide any info about the other "half a dozen" elves that Ed tracks, it would also be incredibly useful (in providing depth & background flavour).
Once again, thanks for all your wonderful help!  |
 |
|
Topic  |
|
|
|