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Taurendil
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Posted - 27 Feb 2015 :  20:00:24  Show Profile Send Taurendil a Private Message
Clearly explained. Thanks Lady Herald!

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TBeholder
Master of Realmslore

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Posted - 05 Mar 2015 :  15:10:34  Show Profile Send TBeholder a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Ah! Very good questions, TBeholder; off they go to Ed. Yes, there are lots of variants

Thanks!
Ahh, and now it's a challenge to think of another good question...

Speaking of magic items, there's an area that was approached many times, but not quite explored: how much enchantments that are not parts of one item can control each other?
I.e. could a mage make some ring that would remotely control... a wand or for example the same "innocent" glowglobe with a few extras - but make it so that it can be either used "manually" or put on a flying dagger to have the secondary item float around and spit spells at any target attacked by this dagger? If yes, how many such rings could be slaved to the same dagger (aside of "how long the handle is" limitation)?
Or the other way around: could a mage enchant rings intended to be used in casting of a ward type spell, and then put on flying daggers, so that these would attack intruders detected by this ward?

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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 05 Mar 2015 :  16:02:59  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
TBeholder, this is a nifty idea (if I'm not dating myself too much by using that terminology), and these situations have come up before in the "home" Realms campaign and in design discussions at TSR and Wizards. Things undoubtedly change in official rulings from game edition to game edition (and of course Ed isn't the guy to give such rulings), but I can clearly recall that Ed's handling of this as a DM was: all such "this affects that" enchantments require a linking spell (spell trigger, or other spell that's akin to magic mouth; see Volo's Guide To All Things Magical) AND an ongoing power source (e.g. Ed's "Spell Engine" spell or something similar). That "it eats up power in an ongoing way" limitation has been Ed's way of controlling "ability/feature creep." Like Phezult's Sleep of Ages, many of these enchantments "melt away"/consume gemstones if they aren't set up to drain actual magic (charges from items). Certain Chosen could call on the Weave to power wards, but for everyone else: they were power drains, and so were used in emergencies or when someone was sleeping, recovering from injuries, or studying/replenishing spells, in a potentially dangerous environment, NOT all the time.
love,
THO
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 05 Mar 2015 :  16:10:18  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hello again all,
A kindly scribe recently brought to my attention a now-closed thread here at the keep about Ed's writing (treatment of villains especially). I'm not going to comment on the comments therein, except for one matter: A Publishing Lackey described the editorial PROCESS of writing Realms novels and was not believed.
Just FYI, everyone: what he posted was correct in every word and detail. That IS how a Realms novel gets written.
Comments to the contrary may apply to other editorial situations at other publishers (I've worked as an editor, and it does vary widely depending on publisher and the individual editor and writer involved), but A Publishing Lackey stated it correctly for Realms novels written for Wizards of the Coast.
In the case of The Sundering, most "this will happen in your book" details were decided in-house, at least for The Herald (the wrap-up book of the series, remember).
It's NOT the same situation or process as writing a fantasy book on your own and then offering it to a publisher (who, yes, will have the book edited after they've purchased it).
If anyone needs "work-for-hire" explained to them, I can do that.
love,
THO

Edited by - The Hooded One on 05 Mar 2015 16:18:04
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Barastir
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Posted - 05 Mar 2015 :  17:30:36  Show Profile  Click to see Barastir's MSN Messenger address Send Barastir a Private Message
Dear THO,

I'm asking tha sages about avariel in the Realms in another thread, and knowing that they appeared originally in Dragon Magazine # 51, were re-written in The Complete Book of Elves and entered the Realms only later, a question came to my mind: have Ed created winged folk for the original Realms? have you ever met these beautiful creatures in his campaign?

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Lead by example.
Let your deeds speak your intentions.
Goodness radiated from the heart."

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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 05 Mar 2015 :  18:37:26  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all. Barastir, Ed had several winged races in the original Realms, and I have no idea why they never made it into the TSR game version; possibly because the designers wanted to wait until they had a D&D "game" race ready, to substitute (but that's just my guess).
Yes, the avariel have appeared in the "home" Realms campaign. Not often, but that's a function of where we players like to send our PCs and what we want them to do; Ed presents the world to us, and we choose what to chase and focus on.
love,
THO
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xaeyruudh
Master of Realmslore

USA
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Posted - 05 Mar 2015 :  19:05:54  Show Profile  Visit xaeyruudh's Homepage Send xaeyruudh a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Ed presents the world to us, and we choose what to chase and focus on.


I don't know if Ed is familiar with Sergio Aragones' Groo, but... yea, if I were one of his players as I was growing up, "cheese dip" would be a thing in the Realms and everyone would know "mendicant" as the best insult for starting a fray. We all draw our inspiration from somewhere, right? I'm just saying I like cheese and you should all consider yourselves blessed by my misfortune. Curse you, happenstance... if only I were Ed's next door neighbor.

Question, regarding Elduth Yarmmaster... what is a yarm? And have other members of that family reached prominence?
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 06 Mar 2015 :  01:24:59  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Heh. Yes, Ed is a Groo fan.
As for the Yarmmaster family, Ed saith

Very wealthy Sembians, and have been for a long time. They began as successful grain farmers; in local parlance (the west side of the Dragonreach), a "yarm" is a (usually large) high-yield (and top quality) grain field. Something other farmers wish they had. The Yarmmasters bought up good farmland, shrewdly, sold off farmland for very high prices when cities needed to expand onto it, and invested profits in land holdings all over the Heartlands, both urban and rural (becoming city landlords with a lot of rent coming in, and the owners of farmland rented out to tenant farmers galore). They remained low-profile as they got richer and richer...and when war came to Sembia (the Netherese) simply took their portable wealth and moved to some of their properties in Tethyr and elsewhere, to wait out the troubles until they could return (and they WILL return, to reclaim all of their property).

Hope this is of help.
love,
THO
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xaeyruudh
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Posted - 06 Mar 2015 :  03:02:29  Show Profile  Visit xaeyruudh's Homepage Send xaeyruudh a Private Message
I like these yarmers. Thanks!

I know this has been asked before, but I'm not sure how recently and it seems like the reasons for not being able to publish the rest of the articles has evaporated. Can Ed talk about the unpublished Border Kingdoms? Like... say Rymdyl, circa 1357 or so? Or has this already been done and I missed it?

On a related note, are Theymarsh and Yallasch considered (by natives or the surrounding areas) part of the Border Kingdoms region?
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Barastir
Master of Realmslore

Brazil
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Posted - 06 Mar 2015 :  12:21:43  Show Profile  Click to see Barastir's MSN Messenger address Send Barastir a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hi again, all. Barastir, Ed had several winged races in the original Realms (...)
Ed presents the world to us, and we choose what to chase and focus on.
love,
THO


I got curious about these winged races, how are they? Only winged versions of the regular races (like the winged elves or minotaurs in D&D), or entirely different races? Besides, Ed's gaming approach is nice, and I try to make it that way, too, as much as I can.

"Goodness is not a natural state, but must be
fought for to be attained and maintained.
Lead by example.
Let your deeds speak your intentions.
Goodness radiated from the heart."

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(by Ed Greenwood)
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Eli the Tanner
Learned Scribe

United Kingdom
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Posted - 06 Mar 2015 :  15:30:06  Show Profile  Visit Eli the Tanner's Homepage Send Eli the Tanner a Private Message
While Ed is mulling over my previous query, I was wondering if there was anything he could tell us about the town of Yartar since the 1360's. I noted there was very little information (if any) about in 3e and 4e source material. Has it suffered or thrived in the intervening years?

Many thanks for your continued imagineering!

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Eilserus
Master of Realmslore

USA
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Posted - 06 Mar 2015 :  21:22:30  Show Profile Send Eilserus a Private Message
Hi Ed and THO,

There's never much been said of Durlag's Tower as far as I know. Which of course makes me think NDA. But, at the same time, is there anything that can be told about this place? I was rather curious about Durlag himself and some of the dragons he took out. Single-handedly slaying that many wyrms makes me think he was VERY lucky, packing some sort of strong magic, or extremely powerful. Maybe all three.

Naturally I'd also be curious as to what other kinds of traps not detailed (there were thousands right?) are there. If the structure of the place, (look, feel, how many levels etc.) could be expanded upon.

Sending love from Nodak! It's 40 above, heat wave! Hope it's making it your way soon Ed! I'm ready for Spring!!
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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author

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Posted - 07 Mar 2015 :  18:49:27  Show Profile  Visit Steven Schend's Homepage  Send Steven Schend a Yahoo! Message Send Steven Schend a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hi again, all. Barastir, Ed had several winged races in the original Realms, and I have no idea why they never made it into the TSR game version; possibly because the designers wanted to wait until they had a D&D "game" race ready, to substitute (but that's just my guess).
Yes, the avariel have appeared in the "home" Realms campaign. Not often, but that's a function of where we players like to send our PCs and what we want them to do; Ed presents the world to us, and we choose what to chase and focus on.
love,
THO



As a former TSR editor and designer, I can easily answer the whyfores of this issue: Avian races were always nixed before getting fully approved as a PC or NPC race because their natural flying abilities gave them too much of an advantage vs other standard races that couldn't be balanced by game mechanics.

At least that was the standard thinking/reason I was always given.

Steven

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xaeyruudh
Master of Realmslore

USA
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Posted - 09 Mar 2015 :  19:48:13  Show Profile  Visit xaeyruudh's Homepage Send xaeyruudh a Private Message
Seeing as how the awesome Fonstad Atlas was based on Ed's maps, did he determine which symbols represented which cities or was that Karen's decision? It's curious that other cities which were near Waterdeep's population (at least the 2e "metropolitan" population numbers) didn't get the "double-outlined" dot symbol, but Sheirtalar (about half the population?) did get that symbol. Wondering if Ed has insight into this conundrum.

Also: thanks for the insight Steven. That reason stinks, but knowing is better than not knowing.
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader

USA
3008 Posts

Posted - 09 Mar 2015 :  20:09:23  Show Profile  Visit Artemas Entreri's Homepage Send Artemas Entreri a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by xaeyruudh

Seeing as how the awesome Fonstad Atlas was based on Ed's maps, did he determine which symbols represented which cities or was that Karen's decision? It's curious that other cities which were near Waterdeep's population (at least the 2e "metropolitan" population numbers) didn't get the "double-outlined" dot symbol, but Sheirtalar (about half the population?) did get that symbol. Wondering if Ed has insight into this conundrum.





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Artemas Entreri
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Posted - 09 Mar 2015 :  20:11:00  Show Profile  Visit Artemas Entreri's Homepage Send Artemas Entreri a Private Message
Was it ever discussed between Ed and TSR about potentially doing a Forgotten Realms Al-Qadim novel line?

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xaeyruudh
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Posted - 09 Mar 2015 :  20:14:29  Show Profile  Visit xaeyruudh's Homepage Send xaeyruudh a Private Message
Ack, sorry if I poached! I wasn't sure if you would ask, and it started bugging me.

All credit for this insightful query belongs to Artemas. I'll go back to digging up other things to ask about.

Like Valgrath wine. The only reference I've seen is in the Dragon 275 article about the Crumbling Stair. Is Valgrath a place, or an ingredient? If it's a place, then what makes the wine green... and is it glow-in-the-dark green, or merely a slightly tinted "white"?
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Artemas Entreri
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Posted - 09 Mar 2015 :  20:18:24  Show Profile  Visit Artemas Entreri's Homepage Send Artemas Entreri a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by xaeyruudh

Ack, sorry if I poached! I wasn't sure if you would ask, and it started bugging me.

All credit for this insightful query belongs to Artemas. I'll go back to digging up other things to ask about.

Like Valgrath wine. The only reference I've seen is in the Dragon 275 article about the Crumbling Stair. Is Valgrath a place, or an ingredient? If it's a place, then what makes the wine green... and is it glow-in-the-dark green, or merely a slightly tinted "white"?




No apologies needed. I had completely forgotten about this thread, otherwise I would have asked by now. Can't wait to get the answer for this .... and about 1000 other questions that started popping up in my head.

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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 09 Mar 2015 :  23:08:14  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all.
xaeyruudh, "Valgrath" is a person who first devised that wine, and her family who still makes it generations later (current head is a rather haughty fellow named Hamalrym Valgrath). It's a deep emerald green, not glow in the dark, thanks to the grapes that go into it, and yes, it'd be a "white" to our real-world palates. Ed describes it as a step on the "sour apple" side of a dry Riesling.
love,
THO
P.S. I LOVE your post on Elminster and the Shadowsil, and agree completely. Will pop into that thread and comment.
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 09 Mar 2015 :  23:10:43  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
And hi again. Artemas, so far as I know, TSR never discussed an Al-Qadim novel line with Ed. I do recall Jeff Grubb saying that setting was planned as a limited-run sub-line, then extended when it proved very popular in Europe, so it might have been planned with too short a "window" for a novel line. Just guessing on that, though.
love,
THO
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 09 Mar 2015 :  23:25:14  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
And hello to everyone once more!
xaeyruudh, Karen did her maps from Ed's originals, which used triangles for settlements: little tiny ones for hamlets, larger ones for towns, big ones for cities, and multiple ones (overlapping, so they look like a cluster of towers) for very large and important cities. Capitols of important realms also got the cluster symbol...so Sheirtalar got one for that reason. Which Ms. Fonstad dutifully picked up on. Conundrum solved.
love,
THO
P.S. I understand that some scribes will think Sheirtalar isn't populous enough to warrant the symbol. Please bear in mind that all sorts of designers over the years have altered population figures apparently on whims, without ever consulting Ed about it. Sometimes apparently without even reading the printed canon words of Ed about, say, Waterdeep and its seasonal shifts in population. (According to Ed, Sheirtalar had a population of 77,000 to 79,000 for most of the 1360s DR. And stood amid a populous hinterland.)

Edited by - The Hooded One on 09 Mar 2015 23:29:57
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xaeyruudh
Master of Realmslore

USA
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Posted - 10 Mar 2015 :  00:49:25  Show Profile  Visit xaeyruudh's Homepage Send xaeyruudh a Private Message
Thank you, thank you!

I wondered about the symbol maybe representing capitals, but it's rarely used and virtually no other capitals have it... Suzail, Skuld, Alaghon, Ordulin... all just the usual city symbol. No biggie, I'm not complaining. I have lofty ambitions of working on a new electronic/globe atlas when I get a new computer, but I'll need to invest in SageTime infrastructure for my To Do list first.

Thanks also for the 1360s population numbers for Sheirtalar!

There's a small collection of places which appear on the inside-cover map of Cormyr in the 2e Cormyr book (#9410) which I haven't seen on other maps (other than a very similar map on page 26 of Marco Volo: Journey) and I'm wondering if these were the author's inventions or if he got them from Ed. Apologies if this has been asked before; I seem to recall that it might even have been me who touched on this previously.

  • Black Mountain (High Dale - Hooknose Crag vicinity) -- A "Black Peak" is referenced in Dwarves Deep, located in the same place, and I'll take that source as overriding the Cormyr book since Ed wrote it.

  • Valley of Broken Sky (Storm Horns, east of Eagle Peak)

  • Cave of Wickedness (Storm Horns, near Castle Kilgrave)

  • Chala's Mine (northern Storm Horns, perhaps facing the High Moors?)

  • Chonis' Temple (Storm Horns, east of Eagle Peak)

  • Crevasse of Lost Fortune (Storm Horns, west of Suzail)

  • Valley of Crushed Bones (Thunder Peaks, north of Thunder Gap, west of Lake Sember)

  • Temple of Eternal Death (Storm Horns, south of Skull Crag)

  • Lightning Peak (Storm Horns, south of High Horn, near the High Road)

  • Mine of Cursed Gold (Storm Horns, west of Skull Crag)

  • Shore of Sorrow (Storm Horns, overlooking the Farsea Marshes)

  • Spotter's Peak (Storm Horns, near Castle Crag)

  • Tempest Valley (Storm Horns, due north of Eveningstar)

  • Twin Peaks of Urlspur (Thunder Peaks, overlooking the Moonsea Ride)

  • Warm Waterfall (Storm Horns, north of the High Road between Tyrluk and Eveningstar)


  • Not asking for a rundown of all of them at once, of course! I think maybe just a yes/no about whether Ed has more info on each of them, and then we scribes can ask about them individually as curiosity strikes us. I know I'm curious about the Lost Fortune.
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    Eilserus
    Master of Realmslore

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    Posted - 10 Mar 2015 :  01:57:30  Show Profile Send Eilserus a Private Message
    Tempest Valley, Chala's Mine, and the Warm Waterfall are three I'm definitely interested in. Nice catch on these by the way Xaeyruudh, something I definitely missed. ;)
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    Artemas Entreri
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    Posted - 10 Mar 2015 :  02:37:29  Show Profile  Visit Artemas Entreri's Homepage Send Artemas Entreri a Private Message
    quote:
    Originally posted by The Hooded One

    And hi again. Artemas, so far as I know, TSR never discussed an Al-Qadim novel line with Ed. I do recall Jeff Grubb saying that setting was planned as a limited-run sub-line, then extended when it proved very popular in Europe, so it might have been planned with too short a "window" for a novel line. Just guessing on that, though.
    love,
    THO




    Thanks! I loved Al-Qadim and would really have enjoyed some novels set in the region. My fingers will always be crossed.

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    Edited by - Artemas Entreri on 10 Mar 2015 02:39:36
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    Artemas Entreri
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    Posted - 10 Mar 2015 :  02:40:58  Show Profile  Visit Artemas Entreri's Homepage Send Artemas Entreri a Private Message
    quote:
    Originally posted by xaeyruudh



    Thanks also for the 1360s population numbers for Sheirtalar!



    Ditto!

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