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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
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 Posted - 07 Jan 2015 : 21:41:54
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| I skimmed through the 5e books at the local B&N the other day, and while pretty, to me, not worth the cover price. |
Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
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Eilserus
Master of Realmslore
USA
1446 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jan 2015 : 01:21:01
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Originally posted by Fellfire
I skimmed through the 5e books at the local B&N the other day, and while pretty, to me, not worth the cover price.
Order from Amazon. I used a discount code they were running at the time (now expired, but I'm sure more will eventually come) and snagged the DMG for around 28 dollars. That includes shipping. |
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hashimashadoo
Master of Realmslore
United Kingdom
1150 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jan 2015 : 01:26:17
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| I was more accepting of 4e than most people on here but I really like the 5th edition core books. Hoard of the Dragon Queen and Rise of Tiamat are an entirely different matter. |
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Mapolq
Senior Scribe
Brazil
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
1965 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jan 2015 : 21:19:12
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| Lies, lies, lies. Propaganda, nothing more. If I don't see some of the work that Ed has supposedly been so busy on, and soon, I'll toss all my books in the bonfire and focus on Golarion which is a living, breathing setting, not a dry dessicated corpse with nothing to show but its past glories. |
Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
1965 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jan 2015 : 21:23:19
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Originally posted by Eilserus
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Originally posted by Fellfire
I skimmed through the 5e books at the local B&N the other day, and while pretty, to me, not worth the cover price.
Order from Amazon. I used a discount code they were running at the time (now expired, but I'm sure more will eventually come) and snagged the DMG for around 28 dollars. That includes shipping.
From what I saw, it isn't worth $15. So much recycled stuff I already have. Why should I shell out for that? Some fancy new art? Don't be a sucker. Crap wrapped in gold is still crap. |
Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
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Darkheyr
Learned Scribe
264 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jan 2015 : 08:13:59
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Pretty much already walked away.
I bought Elminster's FR, and would certainly buy similar books, but the entire 4E+ timeline doesn't interest me enough to spend money on. I rarely play P&P these days, so we all prefer something more familiar, and my NWN project started 10 years ago in a fictious 1378 DR - thus, we are not conforming to 4E timeline anyway. Not that we could, in retrospect.
So, era-independant realms stuff? Yes please. 4E, 5E? Nah.
And for rules I'm sticking to Pathfinder. |
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Gary Dallison
Great Reader
United Kingdom
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Darkheyr
Learned Scribe
264 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jan 2015 : 09:48:41
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I don't actually believe all that many openly dislike the 4E+ setting. From what I've seen of it, it could be quite nice.
But how they went about it alienated a lot of people. They took an established setting, turned it upside down and into something that might not be that bad, but still severely different from what we know. Add the way they communicated about it, and you just get a lot of pissed off established fans, no matter how cool and shiny that new thing is.And, of course, the timejump. Not exactly a tiny one either.
To me, buying a 4E book would feel like browsing through Eberron or Golarion material, not getting new Realmslore. And actually, I'd probably buy Golarion first just because I like Paizo more than Wizards these days, and I might get some useful ruleswork out of it, too. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36779 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jan 2015 : 12:58:58
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Originally posted by dazzlerdal
It seems to me like a lot of people went elsewhere with 4e. Is it just that the 4e fans are not responding here or are the figures on this thread representative of the numbers of people who liked 4e (almost none it would seem). If the latter is true one wonders why they stuck with the 4e timeline and changes.
We've got folks here who are fans of the 4E Realms... But I know of people who stopped coming here after the 4E campaign book came out.
Obviously, I didn't leave here, but the gaming money I used to give WotC instead went to Paizo and other companies. Until the Elminster's Realms book came out, I'd only given WotC maybe $20 during the entire run of 4E material. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jan 2015 : 13:07:35
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I didn't hate the 4e setting - I just hated the fact it landed on top of (and squashed) my favorite setting.
And when I read this thread title now, I keep thinking, "will they deliver in 20 minutes or less? if they don't, can we get it for Free?" |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36779 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jan 2015 : 16:19:46
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Originally posted by Markustay
I didn't hate the 4e setting - I just hated the fact it landed on top of (and squashed) my favorite setting.
Agreed. I've said more than once that had the 4E Realms been introduced as a new setting, under a different name, then it likely would have been much more well received. As I noted in my long-ago sandwich analogy, the problem wasn't the ingredients of the sandwich, the problem was that I was expecting one kind of sandwich and was given another.
This is also part of why I advocated for splitting the 4E Realms off into its own independent setting. |
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Gustaveren
Learned Scribe
Denmark
197 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jan 2015 : 18:27:08
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walk away? I've pretty much ignored anything FR related printed since 2008 that doesn't have Ed's name on it. If WotC doesn't impress me then I will maintain status quo. With that said, I love the 5E PHB and recent events in Ed's novels have caught my attention. Barring extreme and excessive stupidity, I expect that I'll be buying more FR products in the next few years. If the new FR material pleases me half as much as the 5E PHB does, then I'll be walking back toward current FR products very quickly. I won't be picking up much from the edition I skipped, WotC still doesn't need any more money regarding that series of decisions but concerning 5E. It's their money to lose because I'm better disposed toward them currently than I have been in years.
Well, that is only possible if WOTC actually decides to publish some FR material. Their release schedule looks very thin when it is compared to Paizo's release schedule |
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MaskedOne
Acolyte
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Posted - 16 Jan 2015 : 01:15:21
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| Failure to provide FR material will prevent me from spending money on FR material, true enough, but it's unlikely to single-handedly lose more of my good will. It just won't net them anything from the amount of good will they've regained. |
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Thauranil
Master of Realmslore
India
1591 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jan 2015 : 16:05:44
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| So far I am undecided but its leaning towards walking away. Those of my friends who were interested in the realms and even my own brother have already given up on it but I have decided to stick around for a little while longer. |
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Diffan
Great Reader
USA
4429 Posts |
Posted - 17 Jan 2015 : 01:01:34
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by dazzlerdal
It seems to me like a lot of people went elsewhere with 4e. Is it just that the 4e fans are not responding here or are the figures on this thread representative of the numbers of people who liked 4e (almost none it would seem). If the latter is true one wonders why they stuck with the 4e timeline and changes.
We've got folks here who are fans of the 4E Realms... But I know of people who stopped coming here after the 4E campaign book came out.
Obviously, I didn't leave here, but the gaming money I used to give WotC instead went to Paizo and other companies. Until the Elminster's Realms book came out, I'd only given WotC maybe $20 during the entire run of 4E material.
*waves hand*
I've attempted to be a pretty positive poster about the 4E Realms and to take what the designers gave us and put it to good use. I don't like every change they made, but the majority of it I felt was needed (obviously YMMV). Since 4E came out I've only devoted my $$ for RGPs to them. Along with books and Adventures, I've also had the DDI account going for about 4 years now. For 5E, I haven't given them any money yet. I'm not hooked so to speak but I'm not opposed to playing the game with that system. |
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froglegg
Learned Scribe
317 Posts |
Posted - 17 Jan 2015 : 02:42:26
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I stoped at 3.5
The only 4ht edition items I picked up were, The Essentials Red Box (So I had a nice new box to put my B/X and BECM books.) and Elminster's Forgotten Realms (It is edition neutral to me and could go hand in hand with my Old Grey Box.)
I looked at 4th edition Realms and all I could think was "No just no!"
I thought about what Mr. Greenwood said "It's your world, make it your own!" and I take it to heart.
My Realms, my lore being what ever I can dream up and no Realms shattering events.
The Forgotten Realms that now no longer needs WOTC or Hasbro, just me and a pen and some paper and some good friends to enjoy what I have come up with.
The B/X, BECM, 1st Edition & 2nd Edition and 3.5 rules give me so much freedom and so much to use so I don't need anymore.
John |
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
USA
3131 Posts |
Posted - 03 Mar 2015 : 21:59:05
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| I haven't purchased D&D gaming books since they stopped making 2E stuff. I'll get around to collecting/reading all of the Forgotten Realms novels at some point though. |
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MrHedgehog
Senior Scribe
688 Posts |
Posted - 04 Mar 2015 : 01:56:18
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The 4th Edition Forgotten Realms Books were not of high enough quality content to purchase. I did play the normal 4e game, though. It was more the forgotten realms in 4th edition that was awful. (Recycled art and little or no content...)
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Delandil Aenar
Acolyte
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Posted - 07 Mar 2015 : 09:46:29
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I stopped at 3.5 material, with the already quoted exception of the Elminnster's Forgotten Realms which I think it's a very good book. Now I am supporting 5th edition because I really like the game and I look forward to see a campaign setting like the one for the third edition, but I guess it'll take a while.
I didn't like HotDQ / ToD because it seems to me the Realms are just on the background.
Long story short: I will buy 5E material associated to the Realms hoping to read good things. |
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zemd
Master of Realmslore
France
1103 Posts |
Posted - 08 Mar 2015 : 17:49:24
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I walked away a few years ago, but i'm willing to give it an other go.
Very curious about the new content for FR |
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Old Man Harpell
Senior Scribe
USA
495 Posts |
Posted - 08 Mar 2015 : 19:06:36
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Originally posted by MrHedgehog
The 4th Edition Forgotten Realms Books were not of high enough quality content to purchase. I did play the normal 4e game, though. It was more the forgotten realms in 4th edition that was awful. (Recycled art and little or no content...)
I didn't really much grok into the 4th Edition system - for what it offered, I could log into Everquest. I'm not saying it was particularly bad, but pretty much everyone in my gaming circle gave a collective shrug of 'meh' after trying it. But we gave it a shot. It just wasn't our cup of tea.
Realms 4th, my initial reaction was nothing short of outrage. This was tempered more than a bit by the efforts of a couple of the good scribes here, and by the release of the Neverwinter book - enough that I was able to loosen the collar of my Vestments of the Grognard +5 and try to work with what was there. And I would still purchase all the books for 4th Edition Realms - Realmslore is Realmslore, period. The fact that I will now be able to likely find all 4th Edition material at Half Price Books at a substantial savings is a plus, of course.
I bought 5th Edition's Holy Trinity, I'll certainly pony up for any FR material, and possibly seriously consider other worlds, for rules, if northing else (I would seriously love some new Birthright material). My circle is currently using 5th Edition for three campaigns (only one of which I am presiding over), so WotC has my business, at least for the foreseeable future.
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Jayson_Neverstop
Acolyte
USA
10 Posts |
Posted - 09 Mar 2015 : 06:35:58
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It has been a while, but, since I am starting a new 5e FR campaign with my gaming group, I had to make decisions on what to do.....
I have, just like everyone here, an extensive FR book collection. Whatever era I want to do is available. With that in mind, I made my decisions....
I am going to use the 4e part - as in the past. I am starting my campaign in the year 1500DR. The spellplague is over and what is Abeir's stays on Abeir; what is Toril's stays on Toril. I will not abandon the Realms, nor will I hang on to the past. I just hope my players enjoy it...... |
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
USA
3131 Posts |
Posted - 09 Mar 2015 : 13:27:20
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| Another option is to mix and match whatever game edition rules you prefer with whatever Realms edition version you prefer. |
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ZeshinX
Learned Scribe
Canada
210 Posts |
Posted - 09 Mar 2015 : 14:13:50
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My group has circled back to the Realms again with 5e's release. We had moved over to Pathfinder/Golarion, but we wanted to play 5e in a D&D setting.
So we currently play in the Realms (1378 DR), but ignore absolutely everything 4e introduced (the Dragonborn race included in the 5e Core Rules is also not used in our games).
We love the 5e rules quite a lot, but we're not impressed with WotC subsequent releases. We're quite baffled by the storyline approach to be honest. Not that they'd like to offer it, but at the expense, seemingly, of pretty much any other type of content. Paizo's approach is better. They offer the storyline in their APs, but don't brow beat you with it. If you're not interested, plenty of other product with useful content. Not so much with WotC.
So unless that shifts, I don't see us investing any more money in 5e/WotC product. As for the original question, I wouldn't say we're walking away from the Realms/WotC, but we're sure not sending any more money their way unless they offer something better. |
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Peter R
Acolyte
United Kingdom
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Posted - 09 Apr 2015 : 19:20:31
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Hi,
This is actually my first post on this forum and I found this quite interesting as I have come to the Realms from a completely different direction.
I stumbled upon a box full of FR source materials at a charity sale last year but I have not played D&D in any guise since (regularly) 1986 baring a one off game in about 1992.
Everything I have read in the source material I have converted over to the game rules I prefer and have been using the mid 80s.
Now I am spending 8 to 10 hours most weeks reading material, creating the NPCs to best fit both the source material and game. Undoubtedly everyone here knows more about the realms than I do and I am only now GMing my first party on their first adventure in the realms. Because we left the D&D world when Grayhawk was still current none of my players have ever adventured in the realms either so we are all new to it. |
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Derulbaskul
Senior Scribe
Singapore
408 Posts |
Posted - 10 Apr 2015 : 07:23:10
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I'm actually very happy with things as they are right now.
I've been a fan of FR since Ed's articles first appeared in Dragon/The Dragon. I have a copy of pretty much every product and most of the novels (even though I generally dislike the novels).
As a fan of 4E as a ruleset, I ended up becoming a convert to the 4E version of the Realms (despite my initial plans to ignore both 4E and the 4E Realms). It is the one I like best for actually running campaigns because it feels a lot more open but I still have all the older material to fill in the gaps. I can also go back to 1372 DR or thereabouts whenever I need something with a more "classic" Realms feel.
Personally, I don't need WotC to give me product any more. I have everything I need plus these forums from which I plunder a lot (thanks THO, Ed, George, Eric et al). If I had confidence that the new Mearlsian approach to FR would deliver something akin to what was effectively promised a year or two ago I might be more excited about WotC's plans going forward. But I am not confident because they seem to have found a direction that suits them as a business but doesn't suit me as a fan.
That isn't a complaint, either. I run FR campaigns. I like the minutiae but it's always with an eye on the practical task of running campaigns. I realised late last year that we were not going to be the expected FR support to I just managed my wants, so to speak. Now that I have done that, I really do not care what WotC does. I will still be running FR in the 4E time period, using 4E or 5E or 13th Age, and using the entire back catalogue of products I have.
As for the comment up-thread along the lines of, "Do we want the Realms to cease being published?" Honestly? I could live with that. The rights would then revert to Ed and a new Paizo-like company could be established to create FR products. Now that is something I could get excited about.
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Renin
Learned Scribe
USA
290 Posts |
Posted - 11 Apr 2015 : 04:00:43
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Originally posted by Artemas Entreri
Another option is to mix and match whatever game edition rules you prefer with whatever Realms edition version you prefer.
This is what I do. Never bought 4e, but got into PF.
Now? I run a PF rules set with homebrew corrections in a FR setting based off of lore and the prior 3 decades long campaigns I and my friends have run in the world, altering it to our PCs actions.
Being that we are now all married...with children, playing once a month would be like winning the lottery.
I don't NEED anything from Wizards. I like to read news and ideas of the Realms...but its obvious that what I think is junk I don't buy or use.
They can do what they want. I got mine. |
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Diffan
Great Reader
USA
4429 Posts |
Posted - 12 Apr 2015 : 04:53:35
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Originally posted by Artemas Entreri
Another option is to mix and match whatever game edition rules you prefer with whatever Realms edition version you prefer.
I too have done this as well. For the most part, the setting itself is edition neutral. Sure some minor plots and what-not adhere to the rules of the particular system said plot was written with, but that's mostly fluff that can easily be carried over to any edition.
I've run 4E in pre-Spellplague, 3E in post-spellplague (my new E6 game, for example), and 5E in pre-spellplague too. Nothing really comes to mind that makes me scream "OMG, I have to re-write or create XYZ mechanic to fit what I want to accomplish in this era." |
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mastermustard
Seeker
USA
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Posted - 16 Apr 2015 : 13:25:07
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| No, I'll probably keep coming back to eat the scraps that are dropped for me. Maybe one day things will be like they were. |
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