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Zeromaru X
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Posted - 01 Feb 2018 :  15:30:15  Show Profile Send Zeromaru X a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The specific lore on the matter (at least in the game, I mean), is that Halueth and his elven and human followers built Castle Never in "Never's Winter", the place were Halueth did his last stand against the Illuskans and their orc allies. The place was named "Never's Winter" because Halueth though he was to die in battle in that place (at the time, he only had his elven army, outnumbered by their enemies; they were saved by a human army that came to aid them). Then, Halueth and his followers built a settlement there "stone by stone". The name stuck, and the settlement was named "Never's Winter", later shortened to Neverwinter.

Or at least, that is what the game says. Its one of the legends to explain the origin of the city's name. There are other two (Neverwinter River's warm waters, and the skill of the gardeners).

I spin this that Eiger was the leader of the humans that came to help Haleuth, and that Eiger means "winter" in Illuskan. So, the place was named by fusing the names of the two heroes of the war to honor them both (Never being translated as "Sstor" in Illuskan), so we have "Eigersstor". And, like Races of Faerűn says, Neverwinter being its direct translation to Chondatan.

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Edited by - Zeromaru X on 01 Feb 2018 15:38:11
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Posted - 01 Feb 2018 :  15:46:38  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

Perhaps, now knowing about the misstep in the video game, the two can be reconciled?

Say that Eigersstor is the guy who actually founded the settlement, but it was latter 'organized' (like, with a mayor and town guard) and named 'Neverwinter' for the very first time when Halueth Never showed up.

Thus, 'town records' will go back to that time, stating that Halueth Never 'founded' the town of Neverwinter, when meanwhile the settlement had already been there, unnamed, and started by Eigersstor. So two different 'foundings' - one the real one sages know about, and one that shows in the 'official record'. Both sets of lore can be true.




This is the same fix I would use.

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George Krashos
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Posted - 02 Feb 2018 :  00:38:36  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Zeromaru, how is the lore presented? Is it "in game" or is it in a booklet or some other way? If possible, I'd like to get an exact copy/wording so I can think this one out.

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yeah because I thought he and some reffugees settled in Eigersstor that later became neverwinter .....

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Zeromaru X
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Posted - 02 Feb 2018 :  01:10:10  Show Profile Send Zeromaru X a Private Message  Reply with Quote
In game. In both Neverwinter Nights. There is a item in the first Neverwinter Nights named "Ancient Chronicles of Halueth Never" that you can find while exploring the tomb of Halueth (that, oddly, is located in the city's graveyard and not in Castle Never), that says this:

"This aged tome details the latter life of Halueth Never, and the trials that he overcame to found the city of Neverwinter. Much of it is written in an archaic script that will likely take Tyrran scholars years to decipher."

In Neverwinter Nights 2, there is a mission to explore Neverneath (the maze below Castle Never), and you have to talk with the enchanted statues of Halueth's first servants to delve across the maze and enter into the tomb of Halueth (that now is located in Castle Never and not in the city graveyard...). The statues say things like that they built Neverwinter stone by stone after the war with the orcs and Illusk.

In the end of the maze, you enter the tomb of Halueth and find a lore codex that talks about the stuff of "Never's Winter".

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sfdragon
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well thing with Bioware Neverwinter, it had some lore issues. for instance you met an orc using an ogre avatar named obould mannyarrows.. and mind you this was during the time of RAS's novels, clearly the game obould was not the legendary orc king Obould Mannyarrows.

the neverwinter shadowmantle that we got to kill ingame and her actions was against cannon lore, she was not ever against the archmage arcane.

Luskan also never had a temple of tyr either.

licensed lore or not, I do not count that game's lore as cannon ....



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Zeromaru X
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Mind, most of the lore in those games was later canonized in the Neverwinter Campaign Setting (for instance, Neverneath, the locales in the city, some characters, etc.). So, while most lore on the Nights games should be taken with a grain of salt, there is other lore that went canonized.

The FR wiki, though, gives priority to sourcebooks, magazines, novels and Ed word, over games. That's why I usually ask for sources on some stuff.

EDIT:
Talking about canon and Bioware... which events of Neverwinter Nights were canonized?

The Neverwinter CS canonizes the structure of the city (but as the city was destroyed and later rebuilt, it just canonizes some names for districts and that is all). It also mentions the Wailing Death, so I guess the events of the first Neverwinter are canon (at least, the main campaign).

Do we know if Neverwinter Nights 2 is canon?

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sfdragon
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and those are about the only 2 of a few things made canon of nwn. another being that mess with undrentide, where hordes of the underdark was kind of hard to canonize something about one of its endings have M end up destroyed or a maid In an inn somewhere....

neverwinter nights 2 though uses a similar map to the one in the readers guide to drizzt dourden book.
licensed lore it still is as if it is in the grand history or the neverwinter splat book id have to look... don't think it was, but... you know what? why am I here instead of looking for dinner money? this is not going to get me dinner

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ummm yes, nwn2 is not in the neverwinter source book( no real surprise there) and nor is it in the ghotr, no real surprise there either

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