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The Blind Ranger
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Posted - 06 Nov 2004 :  00:09:25  Show Profile  Visit The Blind Ranger's Homepage  Send The Blind Ranger an AOL message Send The Blind Ranger a Private Message
Heh, a Lordship indeed, bequethed to those who know how to wield them (i.e. safely and securely on the shelf, where it won't hurt anybody ;)

Thanks for the thorough reply on couriers etc. Ed, much obliged!

I'm curious though, what sorts of fruit are grown where in Faerûn? I'm mostly interested in the Sword Coast and the North if it helps you to narrow your answer down without devoting over much attention to it (as I know there are many of us vying for your answers here).

Also, is there any significance to Elminster's sigil that you could enlighten us about?

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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 06 Nov 2004 :  01:17:06  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hello, all. I bring Ed’s answer to Taelohn (re. “lusty business”):


Taelohn, the ability to wield spellfire is usually inherited, yes, but very unreliably (it may manifest generations down a bloodline from the ‘last’ hurler-of-spellfire). So it’s by no means even to be expected that the son or daughter of a spellfire-wielder will themselves be able to hurl spellfire (remember, it’s usually been so rare in the Realms that the folk belief that ‘the gods only let one person at a time wield spellfire’ was able to both exist and persist).
With that said, of course if you as DM want your spellfire-wielder player character’s offspring to also be a spellfire-wielder, of course they will be. However, there ARE other things to consider. The ability to handle spellfire IS very rare, despite the fecundity of the Realms, so perhaps the gods DO restrict its use.
Yes, it would “be possible that some other folks out there might want such a thing.” However, few women would want to be among those to bear and mother a spellfire-wielder, because if they know about spellfire at all, they know too things: it’s dangerous, and a lot of powerful wizards seem to want to get spellfire, and are prepared to do almost anything to get it.
Certain women in the Realms may be as naive and stupid as any other grouping of Faerunian lifeforms, but folklore and rumours in Faerun will swiftly and very colourfully supply whatever might not have occurred to them, from the “Wizards will enslave me to get my child, and slaughter me the moment it’s born” to: “Wizards will rape me magically to get me pregnant, and then twist me into something inhuman, spell to spell, to give my unborn child various powers” to: “Wizards and priests and rulers from all over Faerun will come to capture me with swords and spells and commanded monsters, and kidnap and slay everyone I hold dear to compel me to behave thus and so, only to be slain by the NEXT wizard or priest or ruler -- and I and my friends and neighbours and our homes will be caught right in the middle of all their fighting.”
The exceptions to such attitudes might be found in these three small subgroups of women: insane (megalomania) women who ARE rulers or powerful clergy or mages; devout female priests whose doctrines of faith (as stretched by superiors, perhaps) could embrace such a role; and frustrated wealthy social-climbers [successful merchant families] who’ve realized that they’re being permanently shut out of local nobility, and so have nothing to lose in their attempts to become REALLY special. ‘Real’ noble females would never go for this unless very jaded, lonely, or insane, because deviance from the norm within their elite means loss of status as part of that elite (in other words, they could be shunned and lose their nobility).
If your spellfire-wielding character has access to any of those groups, we have a ‘perhaps.’ A possibility tempered with the fears of such women about being caught in the crossfire of power groups ambitious to gain spellfire, and with the dangers you’ve pointed out that the PC will bring down on his own head by going about announcing his power. He will of course have to demonstrate his own spellfire ability, or a rather large percentage of women will treat him as real-world women do any man who makes ‘special powers’ claims: prove it, baby, or it’s just another line spun by someone who wants to get into my pants. (Of course, as you speculated, the PC’s rank and charisma will come into play here.)
Certainly a woman of any of the groups mentioned above (or a woman controlled by a power group), could offer the PC several thousands in gold for his seed (probably not more, because they’ll play up the “unproven reliability” of his passing on the power, in order to keep the price low), BUT if the PC thinks for more than a few hours (and isn’t governed by recklessness), that notion that “Once they have my seed, or perhaps my child with proven powers, they’ll have me ‘make’ a second one, just in case, and then they’ll be almost certain to slay me to keep their spellfire rare and valuable. Or they’ll enslave me somewhere to turn out their own private army of spellfire-children whom they can train and indoctrinate from birth to serve them. The moment any of my sons reach puberty, I the un-indoctrinated one am surplus to their needs!”
Of course, all of this probable activity flows from a lot of people taking the idea of inherited spellfire seriously, and to answer that part of your question, yes, the general idea probably IS sound. So then it comes down to “How much excitement do you want in your life?”
To highlight the choice facing your PC, let’s spin a sideline fantasy (hey, bear with me here, this is what I do for a living). Say another of your players had a female character, who knew for certain (because a god had told her so, privately) that she, and anyone who came into sexual contact with her, would become immune to a plague that is very rapidly killing all other humans. She knows the god is right, because she’s nursed her entire dying family, covered often in their bodily messes, and although they’ve all died, she’s just fine. In fact, she’s the only one left alive in her village, as desperate humans from everywhere else flee through it, heading they know not where, in a probably vain attempt to escape the plague (she can tell that many of these people are fleeing it). Does she dare tell anyone she can “save” them? If she wants to save someone, how will she do it and not then be forced into sex with anyone who has magic or physical might to overcome her? How can she retain the power of choice? Or will it just be easier to say nothing, and try to lie low and avoid being killed by the desperate folk fleeing everywhere?
That’s the flipside of “Hey, perhaps I can get women to PAY me for sleeping with them, whether or not I’ll manage to fill the world with spellfire-wielders!” The religious beliefs of the PC will come into play in this decision, too -- because the gods of the Realms are real to folk of Faerun, and this is important enough to not merely be left to the PC consulting a local priest, but will instead probably get the PC a manifestation in his waking lap, or dream-vision-visitations in which the god or a servant of the god will make some powerful suggestions as to what the PC might do (my little parable of the plague-immune woman might be one such vision).
A great question, Taelohn, and a fascinating ingredient for campaign play. I’m not trying to influence you one way or the other on allowing it; as DM, responsibility for entertaining your players is yours, and so ‘the call’ on this must be yours, too.
Just remember that Azoun was a special case. He had great charisma and an even greater reputation, causing almost hero-worship among the majority of Cormyrean commoners -- who knew, on the basis of his past performance, that there were so many bastard offspring ‘out there’ already that bearing the King’s child WASN’T going to bring them unwelcome attention from War Wizards or nobles (or Sembians or anyone else) wanting to capture royal offspring for some plot or other. Azoun was so revered among Purple Dragons, especially, that there are many instances of women offering themselves to Azoun for a night with the full eager, admiring consent of their husbands. That attitude probably wouldn’t be extended to the PC you mention, coming through the door with a cheesy grin on his face as he says something akin to: “Hi, I’m Joe, and I’m a spellfire-wielder. Care to pay me for enjoying my favours?”
I’m going to stop typing now, before I inspire the lovely Lady Hooded to think up something REALLY provocative. I can just HEAR her evil chuckles, reading the last few lines I typed, above.


So saith Ed. And so right you are, Cuddly Bearded Thing -- oop, EXCUSE me, Exalted Master of the Realms and Great Sage Unsurpassed. So . . . when were you planning on trying to give ME spellfire?
love to all,
THO

Edited by - The Hooded One on 06 Nov 2004 01:18:54
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Jerryd
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Posted - 06 Nov 2004 :  07:06:58  Show Profile  Visit Jerryd's Homepage Send Jerryd a Private Message
Thank you very much, Alaundo! And thank you Wooly Rupert as well!

And to the Hooded One:
quote:
Thank you, Alaundo. I suspect Ed's most recent NDAs are going to stop him from even commenting on Jerryd's (ahem, Jerry D--'s) Cormyr files, but I'll pass them on, never fear.
An NDA regarding a work that features Cormyr's Imperial Navy? Wow. I suppose that the overall subject or working title of that work (novel? sourcebook?) is also an NDA.

quote:
Hello, all. Thy Hooded One. Ed is busy ferrying wife to medical appointments for the first half of today, and I’ll not presume to answer for him, but I feel moved to point out a logical fallacy in your post, Jerryd.
I’m not disagreeing with your conclusions about widows (and I doubt Ed will, given what I’ve seen of the Realms in well over a decade of Realmsplay), but this sentence of yours is suspect: “It seems obvious to me from this that the peoples of Faerûn would place a high value on fertility and childbirth.”
You’re assuming superb communications, clerical near-unanimity, and a societal consensus here. Folk tend to value highly what is rare and unusual, not what is commonplace. If fertility and pregnancy are everpresent, it’s merely “the normal state of affairs,” and for most common folk there’s little awareness of overall population losses, only of local deaths and bereavements.

I don't see the logical fallacy, myself. I'm not assuming suberb communications. I'm not assuming any knowledge of continent-wide demographics or statistics at all. I'll repost what Ed originally said:
quote:
It HAS to be that way to feed all of these folk, and there HAVE to be a lot of folk, or (most of the species of) dragons (a very-firmly-bolted-on element of the game) would starve.
...
To my way of thinking, this fertility MUST be present, or none of the races would ever produce enough bodies to fight all of these wars and still have civilizations (of sorts) standing -- or to fill the slave markets (and country) of Thay.
This to me indicates that even at the small village level, the folk know that they need to keep their own numbers up. They're fully aware of the local casualty rate due to the hazards of monsters, and know that they need a high birth rate simply to survive as a community. They don't need superb communications or knowledge of continental demographics or death rates to know that their survival is at stake. If they know they need to keep their numbers up thus need a high birth rate, it's my opinion that this will necessarily lead them to value fertility and childbirth. It's true that people tend to value what is rare and unusual, but that's just economics. People value survival at an even more basic level, and for the most part will do what they have to do to achieve it. If that means placing a high value on fertility and childbirth to compensate for a higher mortality rate, then that's what the local society and culture will do. People will value what's necessary for survival even when it's commonplace. The clerics will reinforce this, because the gods will get no benefit if their worshippers are all killed off, so that will provide at least some measure of clerical near-unanimity at least in support of their own worshippers (many clerics likely will not care about the survival of the worshippers of opposing deities).

Edited by - Jerryd on 06 Nov 2004 07:09:01
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Taelohn
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Posted - 06 Nov 2004 :  07:28:55  Show Profile  Visit Taelohn's Homepage  Send Taelohn an AOL message  Click to see Taelohn's MSN Messenger address Send Taelohn a Private Message
Heh heh, excellent... this gives a lot to consider, to be sure. Many thanks, Exalted Master of the Realms and Great Sage Unsurpassed.

And best of luck to you, THO. Any other special powers you're looking for?
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Verghityax
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Posted - 06 Nov 2004 :  07:43:54  Show Profile  Visit Verghityax's Homepage Send Verghityax a Private Message
Dear Ed,

I thank Thee very, very much for help. Yet, there are few more things about Baldur's Gate I would like to know:

1) Where is the "Splurging Sturgeon" tavern marked on map? And it would be really great if You could write something about this place since there is nothing about it in "Volo's Guide to the Sword Coast".

2) Is Ravenscar's guild still active? If yes, what are they up to recently and how influential are they?

3) Since Gond's Hall of Wonders is described pretty well could You spare any info on the city's other temples and shrines?

4) Are there any chances of You giving names of few more streets, wharves etc. in Baldur's Gate?

5) And finally, has anything noteworthy happened in Baldur's Gate in recent years?

I thank Thee in advance for any help.
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Bookwyrm
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Posted - 06 Nov 2004 :  08:03:39  Show Profile  Visit Bookwyrm's Homepage  Click to see Bookwyrm's MSN Messenger address Send Bookwyrm a Private Message
I think that if he doesn't get hit with some NDAs on that, Mr. Greenwood might just declare NET -- Not Enough Time. But then, he's surprised me before!

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 06 Nov 2004 :  08:33:19  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Taelohn

And best of luck to you, THO. Any other special powers you're looking for?



With her great charm and beauty, and her ability to entrance men and Giant Space Hamsters alike, does she really need more powers?

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The Hooded One
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Posted - 06 Nov 2004 :  15:19:44  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Oh, Wooly, now you’ve told the world! Thy hamsters, with their soft fur and enthusiastic wrigglings, their bright eyes and breathless - - Ahem. Sorry.
Now, where was I?
Ah, yes, Sourcemaster 2’s post.
Oh, Sourcemaster, I love suitors who lay on the sarcasm so thickly that it almost buries me. Accordingly, you may, just as much as you like, beat around MY bu--
AhemhemhemHEM. Yet perhaps I should say rather less about things, lest Wooly and his ferocious hamsters run amok and do damage enough to upset the noble Alaundo, our long-suffering host (to whom we owe so much for making this ongoing revel possible). I wasn’t sure if you wanted my answers to your questions or Ed’s, but as it happened, we chatted about them back and forth this evening, and agreed on things, so you may take the following as coming from both of us:
1. Probably, given your use of the word “eventually.” However, until a new deity rose to control whatever new system of magic replaced the Weave (remember, Mystra IS the Weave; for her to be destroyed “beyond re-creation,” Azuth and all of Mystra’s Chosen, in whom parts of her power reside, would have to be destroyed, too), magic would be wild or simply wouldn’t work. Probably magic items would do SOMETHING when their stored powers were unleashed, but not function as their wielders expected them to (and not under any precise control or exhibiting any consistency of effects).
It’s doubtful if most spell-using beings would survive such a cataclysm. None of them would survive it unchanged, to be sure. Nor would the Shadow Weave just ‘step in and take over’ if Mystra were destroyed utterly, because the Shadow Weave depends on the Weave; without the one, the other (which opposes it, and is ‘balanced’ to do so) will inevitably collapse too.
So the gods who remained would probably battle for control of magic, in a world in which all magic will have a governing tendency to ‘go wild.’ Farewell Realms as we know them, and so on.
We’re both curious: why do you ask this? :} Is a particularly foolish PC in your campaign planning to assassinate Mystra? (And if so, HOW?)
2. Psionics might be seen as a threat by particular gods in particular passing situations, when wielded by particular other gods or beings, but in general: no. Most gods themselves use psionics, so it’s just another ability (like breathing, and it’s a rare god [except one whose portfolio is unconcerned with the dead] who’ll look down at mortals and seriously say, “Look at all those dangerous beings! Yes, dangerous, I say: see? They’re all BREATHING!”).
3. Your third query is so important that I’m going to start by quoting it straight: “Just how much control do Faerunian clerics have over the spells they are given? Can a priest trust that the spells he prays for will be granted, or will the gods deny a spell they believe will be used for unworthy aims? Might a deity slip in a different spell if it thinks it will be needed, or is such intervention extremely rare?”
In the PUBLISHED Realms, particularly in Third Edition, it seems to be against design principles to have the gods use their extraordinary powers in ways “unfair” to mere mortals. To put it another way, if the PCs have to follow spellcasting rules, so do the gods.
However, in the ‘home’ Realms, the gods have ALWAYS showed their displeasure (and sometimes approval) of PC performance by controlling what divine spells are granted in return for prayers. In other words, the god can see if Priest X intends (at the time of asking) to use a spell for selfish purposes not in accordance with the faith, and bestow a lesser spell or nothing at all (or the spell plus a warning lecture).
If the deity is particularly pleased with the performance or aims of Priest X, a spell or spells might be placed in the PC’s mind that they could never hope to gain by prayer (i.e. something beyond their level limits).
In all cases, cleric PCs are on constant ‘performance review.’ If you fail in your mission due to circumstances honestly beyond your control, that’s fine, but if your actions and motives stray from the faith (or the commandments, however mistaken or foolish, of your clerical superiors, EXCEPT when you knowingly disobey because you can clearly see THEY are straying from the faith and by your disobedience you will be cleaving to it and furthering the aims and influence of the deity), you will pay a price. Sometimes it’s a penance, sometimes a difficult mission or test assigned to you, and sometimes it’s ‘shorting’ your requested spells.
This is one of the key DM tools to making priests very different from “fighters who can cast healing spells, so the rest of the party had better suck up to them, or at least pay lip service to the priests’ gods.”


So say we both, Ed and I, and I know from experience that he does this. Which is why priests and credos and priesthoods in the ‘home’ Realms have always felt real and meant something, long before the superb series of books crafted (in part using Ed’s notes, of course) by Eric Boyd and Julia Martin and others.
love to all,
THO
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Athenon
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Posted - 07 Nov 2004 :  13:32:58  Show Profile  Visit Athenon's Homepage  Send Athenon an AOL message Send Athenon a Private Message
THO or Ed,

I have a question that I have wondered about since around 1988 or so. I really like the picture on the top of the Old Grey Box. I've always wondered who the bearded rider is supposed to be. Any hints or clues would be appreciated...

Thanks,

Will Maranto

Representing the Realms in the Wilds of Northern Louisiana
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 07 Nov 2004 :  15:18:18  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hello, all.
Athenon, Ed asked Keith Parkinson (the artist who did that particular piece) that back in 1987, and Keith shrugged and said, “Whoever you want it to be. I dunno.” So there you have it. Ed wanted a more Merrie Olde Englande/Sherwood Forest look, and in fact was asked to prepare (and did) an exhaustive art order of three figures (with particular attention to every last little detail of what they’d be wearing).
Faraer, I passed your post about wanting to see The Haunted Well on to Ed, whose reply follows:


In design terms, it wouldn’t be hard to convert it to 3.5e, but it would have to wait for three things: next year (Hasbro budgets done and set for 2004, so no more web acquisitions), approval from those who do such buying that they want to see it at all (and remember, there are ‘orphaned’ EEE and Volo’s columns from DRAGON floating around that WotC already owns and has paid for, that haven’t seen publication because of lack of desire to show them to the wider world), and -- being as it’s an adventure that uses some hitherto-unseen (but very minor) magic items and spell effects -- approval by the internal WotC ‘Rules Council,’ who have a lot of far more important work on their plates to review.
So I’d like to publish it, somewhere and somewhen, as much as you’d like to see it, Faraer, but neither of us should hold our breath awaiting it. I’ll mention it to certain Mysterious Masked WotC Masters, though, and see what befalls.


So saith Ed. I suspect Ed also wants us Knights to return to the Well and play through it before he unleashes it on a waiting world, too. And as you may have gathered, we’re an oh-so-obedient lot.
love to all,
THO
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Lord Rad
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Posted - 07 Nov 2004 :  17:55:23  Show Profile  Visit Lord Rad's Homepage  Click to see Lord Rad's MSN Messenger address Send Lord Rad a Private Message
Hi Ed and Hooded One

I wondered if you could provide a bit of information on some of the poisons of the Realms - names, plant origins etc., effects... I know its been a bit of a taboo subject in the past but it if it is no longer a problem with talking about poisons (and of course, if you have the time), it would be greatly appreciated and help with my campaign

I also recall from a Realms seminar with Ed at GENCON UK a few years back (London Olympia) that he spoke about the early days of the Realms when someone from TSR (cant recall who) called Ed to ask him to write up an article on poisons for the Realms... does this exist anywhere?

Thank you very much for your time. ::bows::

Lord Rad

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Faraer
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'Tis as I thought about the adventure, though it irks to see so much trivial material put up on wizards.com instead.

For what it's worth, the Realms poisons I've noted are belpren, drow sleep poison, dwarfbane, huld, jeteye, lhurdas, night sleep, orvas, prespra, saisha, ulcrun, and varrakas.
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TheHermit
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Posted - 08 Nov 2004 :  11:06:29  Show Profile  Visit TheHermit's Homepage Send TheHermit a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

Oh, and I loved your sig. Made me grab my "Inside Raven's Bluff" accessory and look you up! Thanks Joe.


I'm not sure why you're thanking me - I look back on some of that stuff and cringe when I read it now. (Of course, I also look back on that stuff and say "How come I'm not still writing that stuff?", so there you have it.)

- "Glitz & Klax's Potions & Elixirs"/"The Sandmen", Inside Ravens Bluff, The Living City; 1990; TSR, Inc.
- "The Far Guardians' Traveler's Mission", Port of Ravens Bluff; 1991, TSR, Inc.
- "Signs Painted", Polyhedron #70; April, 1992; TSR, Inc.
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 08 Nov 2004 :  14:30:46  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
To Taelohn and Wooly Rupert:
Well, of COURSE I’d like more special powers. Seriously, I’d love to live the rest of my life, from this moment on, able to wield these powers or effects, at will:

Ask Advice Of Dead Ancestors and Former Teachers
Counter The Bosom-Droop of Age
Feather Fall
Fly
Mend
Message
Move Silently
Peer into Ed’s Mind
Procure Munchies from Afar
Recover from Peering into Ed’s Mind
Spider Climb
Teleport From/To Lap of My Choice
Teleport Self and Lover from Bed to Surface and Location of My Choice (and then back again)
Two-hour Spontaneous Orgasm
Unseen Servant
Write A Brilliant Fantasy Novel (Without Selling Soul To Anyone)
Write Another One

That’s just those that’ve occurred to me off the top of my head, just now. I’m disconsolate at the thought I can never have any of these in real life, and find myself in need of being cheered up.
Personally. Right now. Leash and all.
Helpful scribes?
THO
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Wooly Rupert
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Oh, there's at least a couple of things on that list I'd be happy to help you accomplish! Two hours may be tricky, but I consider it a worthy challenge!

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The Hooded One
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Posted - 08 Nov 2004 :  18:00:18  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hello, all. Thanks, Wooly; I knew I could count on you. I bring Ed’s latest reply, this to Kajehase from fair Sweden (a country Ed enjoyed visiting very much):


Sorry, Kajehase, it IS just a coincidence. The “Obarskyrs” have no relationship at all to “Boareskyr Bridge” (please note the ‘e’ in there). Jeff Grubb and his wife Kate Novak named the ruling family of Cormyr, and I named the place (after the long-ago adventurer Boareskyr [also my creation] who built the first bridge there). Ah, but you’re a daring scribe, if you’re going to try for the Lady Hooded’s leash. Me, I’d just walk up to her and ask for a kiss -- that usually gets you a kiss and then some.


So saith Ed, who’s busily blowing my cover again (reputation? Hah! Gone long ago, in one sense, and better than ever, in another).
love to all,
THO
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Verghityax
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Posted - 08 Nov 2004 :  18:15:09  Show Profile  Visit Verghityax's Homepage Send Verghityax a Private Message
Dear Ed,

I know that You're extremely busy and while I'm still waiting for Your reply concerning some features of the Baldur's Gate I have another plead which is not that urgent this time. I'm very, very fond of dwarves, gnomes and halflings, therefore I would be extremely happy if You could give more details (apart from what has been written in official FR sourcebooks) about following places:
1) Friendly Arm Inn
2) Durlag's Tower
3) Gullykin
4) Corm Orp
5) Hardbuckler
6) Blingdenstone
7) The Great Rift and its cities
8) Iltkazar
9) Gracklstugh

Thanks in advance! :)

Edited by - Verghityax on 08 Nov 2004 18:51:34
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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Ah, but you’re a daring scribe, if you’re going to try for the Lady Hooded’s leash. Me, I’d just walk up to her and ask for a kiss -- that usually gets you a kiss and then some.


So saith Ed, who’s busily blowing my cover again (reputation? Hah! Gone long ago, in one sense, and better than ever, in another).
love to all,
THO




Hmm, it's that simple? Ah, well, doing the bit with the leash has been, ah, interesting...

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The Hooded One
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Hello, all. Ed replies to Jerryd this time:


Hi, Jerry! Yes, I’m afraid the dreaded NDA wall hath come down, and I can say little on your chapters (and many other topics besides [sigh]).
You’re quite correct on the higher mortality rate in the Realms than in the real-world, with one seldom-mentioned difference: these days, in Faerun, there are fewer ‘killer plagues’ than in our real world (medieval, Dark Ages, Renaissance, and even the post First World War so-called “Spanish Flu”). There USED to be just as many ‘plagues’ among humans in the Realms, but the mingling of so many species (predatory beasts and ‘intelligent races’) would tend to pass around all the ‘bad bugs’ centuries ago, so most folk in the Realms are now fairly resistant to diseases. So nowadays, individuals die of disease all the time, and many travellers are unwitting carriers, but pandemics are rare.
As has been said before, the Realms in general is more gender-equal than our real world (although I’m speaking in generalities here). Widows and widowers often remarry or just re-cohabit (remember, the pantheistic Realms is VERY different from our medieval real world, wherein the European recorded history we have is of a society dominated by one faith, albeit with many schisms: it’s simply wrong to think of “marriage” customs in the Realms in anything like Christian terms).
You are quite correct (in your reply to the Hooded One) when you point out that most priesthoods want folk to have abundant offspring, but she’s right in disagreeing with you that Faerunians consciously “place a high value on fertility and childbirth.” To them, it’s simply normal for women to be very fertile (hence the use of herbal contraceptives by many women who for one reason or another dare not have a child at a certain time [examples: a warrior woman in the midst of desperate guerilla-style warfare, for whom a pregnancy will hamper them when fighting, and a babe die of lack of care when born; or a noblewoman, priestess, or other socially prominent individual who’ll rose rank or perhaps even her life by bearing the child of the ‘wrong’ man, or a child at all]).
Your assumptions about most warfare being conducted by males is (as a generalization, of course) right, and so most battle casualties will in turn be male, yes, and so there will indeed tend to be significant numbers of widows who are still of childbearing age. You’re correct that (aside from VERY small-population hamlets and villages, where some women will be jealous of others who can seduce several men, and so sneer at their bastard children, and the aforementioned noble and royal cases) there’s little stigma to being a bastard child.
I’m not so certain that (aside from those dominated by priests of certain faiths) there’d be “significant social pressure” on widows to continue bearing children. It’s more that, again, it’s ‘the normal way of things,’ and isn’t thought about all that much in general social mores.
Which brings me to your “wild and wicked thought.” Now, tempting as this idea is to the fiction writer in me (sorry, Realms porn fanciers, I merely said I was tempted -- and, by the way, The Hermit is quite correct in pointing out that it seems to be largely a fiction [we can try to pin the blame on the French romantic writers who also cooked up Lancelot]), I’m going to have to say no to this as a general custom. I will, however, accept that certain priesthoods (Sharess ahem, leaps to mind) might hold with such ideas, and that unscrupulous local rulers, priests, and landowners might try to invent and claim such a right, after hearing bardic ballads and minstrels’ tales that feature the notion. The “lord chasing the lass his eye falls upon” element so crucial to Tess of the D’Urbervilles and so many other tales of yesteryear is a stock element of certain sorts of novels because it’s rooted in human nature. In the Realms, of course, I see no reason why (given that there are herbs that ‘unman’ a male for a time, and others that force him to be rampant) women with power and influence couldn’t go chasing men in this way. However, combining these claimings with wedding nights is only going to be acceptable to certain faiths, so it’s not going to be the norm.
Now we have been assuming ‘power overcoming the desire of the wedded couple’ here, and being as you brought up the Obarskyrs as an example, I should point out again that in their case (as probably with many nobility, such as the nobles of Tethyr centuries back), certain commoners saw it as an honour to ‘entertain’ royalty or nobility -- and bearing bastard children was could well mean social advancement, not (real-world Christian thinking again) shame or loss of status.
An interesting topic to explore, but one can readily see (given the Code of Ethics and now the Code of Conduct) why those who publish the Realms have been less than eager to allow delvings along these paths. On the other hand, one only has to glance at a Terry Goodkind novel to know that other fantasy publishers go much farther than we’ve ever cared to.


So saith Ed, who’s busily putting his garden to bed for another year. He hasn’t had to fell any trees for firewood, though, as obliging windstorms keep splitting the old forest giants and bringing them down for him.
love to all,
THO
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RevJest
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Originally posted by The Hooded One

Well, of COURSE I’d like more special powers. Seriously, I’d love to live the rest of my life, from this moment on, able to wield these powers or effects, at will:
<... snipped ...>
That’s just those that’ve occurred to me off the top of my head, just now. I’m disconsolate at the thought I can never have any of these in real life, and find myself in need of being cheered up.
Personally. Right now. Leash and all.
Helpful scribes?
THO



THO,

Personally, I've always wanted to be a god. I think I'd make a rather interesting one. Should a new pantheon ever pop up, and should I be invited to join, I promise to pop over to visit. Whereapon I shall grant you what powers you wish, in exchange for learning which Knight of Myth Drannor is yours. I feel this to be a fair exchange.

Regards,
Simon

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Kuje
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Originally posted by The Hooded One
So saith Ed, who’s busily putting his garden to bed for another year. He hasn’t had to fell any trees for firewood, though, as obliging windstorms keep splitting the old forest giants and bringing them down for him.
love to all,
THO


What, Ed, no naked wood cutting this year? But wait we must not forget the boots, so only mostly naked wood cutting. And only those who saw some of his replies to me on the Mailing List about Storm that he posted last October or the October before that will understand this. :)

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Kajehase
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Originally posted by The Hooded One

Sorry, Kajehase, it IS just a coincidence. The “Obarskyrs” have no relationship at all to “Boareskyr Bridge” (please note the ‘e’ in there). Jeff Grubb and his wife Kate Novak named the ruling family of Cormyr, and I named the place (after the long-ago adventurer Boareskyr [also my creation] who built the first bridge there).



Aww... And here I though I had discovered where some Obarskyr bastard were hidden away in a time when those weren't quite so numerous and therefore more of a potential threat to the crown of Cormyr. Guess I'll have to make your adventurer an Obarskyr bastard with a spelling-deficiency then

quote:
this to Kajehase from fair Sweden (a country Ed enjoyed visiting very much):

I take it the visit weren't during the fall then...

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Ah, but you’re a daring scribe, if you’re going to try for the Lady Hooded’s leash. Me, I’d just walk up to her and ask for a kiss -- that usually gets you a kiss and then some.



And well... guess I'll have to try it then... *walks up to the Hooded One* Milady... might a poor lad who's been deprived of the touch of a member of the fairer sex for too long ask for a kiss? Even a modest peck on the cheek will do me good.

And in conclusion, thanks for your quick answer Ed, it's very annoying to have silly little things like that gnaw away at your brains I think.

There is a rumour going around that I have found god. I think is unlikely because I have enough difficulty finding my keys, and there is empirical evidence that they exist.
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ijkay
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Well met

A much belated thank you to Ed and THO for answers to my Curse of the Blood Royal questions. I'd follow Ed's advice but I see the line of Forum folks calmly walking up the Lady Hooded One for affections is nearly as long as the one that was waiting to hold her leash.

So all I have is more questions:

Given the information already imparted regarding the Curse of the Blood Royal I was wondering about a couple a details which may or may not be anwserable due to those pesky NDA demons.

Do you envision the source of the power of the curse coming from whatever connection the elves established with the land and the Obarskyr bloodline(given the events of Cormyr novel regarding the establishment of ther realm) or from a more primitive or rather primeval 'earth magic'? If the latter, would you picture this connected to some sort of simpler ancient aspect of Chauntea or not? Has such 'earth magic' based power manifested itself in any other rulings families of countries in the Realms?

On a totally unrelated topic

In the Secrets of the Magister book, you disclosed a few details of 'The Opener's Map' created by the former Magister Sarndaen Dalabar. I am curious about what one of these stone tiles might look like. Given the tiles were from the feasthall of a titan castle, how large would a tile be? How much area would a single tile depict? If the tile included an urban setting with multiple portals did the arcs simply appear to originate from the dot labelled 'Town' or did the map have a magical 'zoom' function? Did a tile have any mechanism to indicate the physical location of a tile that would lie adjacent to it?

Given Shaundakul's expanded interest in portals, would you see his priesthood as actively pursuing finding the pieces of the Map?

Given the age of the Map, how complete would it be in the 1370's? I realize it was uncomplete at the time of its dispersion (percentage wise how complete?), but I am curious how prevalent portal building has been in past few centuries versus the previous milleniums.

The reason for this series of questions is I am considering having the PCs discover a tile which would show an area that multiple power groups would be highly interested in. Just for fun of course.

Thanks for any help you can give




Ian Franks

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Steven Schend
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Originally posted by kuje31

quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One
So saith Ed, who’s busily putting his garden to bed for another year. He hasn’t had to fell any trees for firewood, though, as obliging windstorms keep splitting the old forest giants and bringing them down for him.
love to all,
THO


What, Ed, no naked wood cutting this year? But wait we must not forget the boots, so only mostly naked wood cutting. And only those who saw some of his replies to me on the Mailing List about Storm that he posted last October or the October before that will understand this. :)



Alas, that's an old joke amongst us dinosaurs, Kuje.

And I'd not rule it out from Ed, as just because the wind knocks them over doesn't make them small enough to cart inside into one's fireplace. Just knowing what November's like in Canada's enough to get most folk to rethink the strategy, though. Still, the Bearded One is made of sterner stuff than most mere mortals such as ourselves....

Steven
Who hopes everyone's backs are in good shape after putting the gardens to rest for the winter....

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Sourcemaster2
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HO, I bow in humble gratitude for your aid (and to take a dirty-old-man-glance up yon skirt, of course). Know that my sarcasm is ready to bury you upon demand. My first question was not asked with any godslaying ambition; I was more curious to see if Faerunian mortals could adapt methods of spellcasting without the intercession of the gods, should such ever become necessary. Thanks especially for the info on divine casters; I've always felt that the cut-and-paste approach to god-granted magic was too shallow, and it's nice to find out the real Realms doesn't work that way. Continuing on the queries de la mojo, I was wondering 1) If a cleric of a particular faith blesses something-a weapon, for example-and the enchanted object falls into unsavory hands, will anything happen? For instance, if a priestess of Selune crafts a sword, is slain, and her blade taken by Sharran worshipers, will Selune react? Could the weapon lose its power or reveal a previously unsuspected curse, or are divinely enchanted objects like their arcane counterparts, just tools that can be used by anyone who knows how to use them? 2) Is there any FR reason outside of game balance for wizardly and sorcerous magic being unable to heal except through life-transfer or very high level spells? 3) I asked this a while back on the Keep general section, but are there any nice sources for the creation and/or effects of defensive magics? Wards are a common feature in FR books, but I haven't seen much hard info on them. Are there any varieties or specific qualities that are favored or frequently/easily/cheaply available? Particular feats or spells? I give preemptive thanks to the Wearer of the Stainless Hood and exeunt stage left.

But what have all the passing years/Done, but breed new angers, fears?/Show me now an equal worth/To innocence I earned at birth.

Edited by - Sourcemaster2 on 09 Nov 2004 00:51:15
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