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Karth
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Posted - 29 Sep 2004 :  00:55:10  Show Profile  Visit Karth's Homepage  Send Karth an AOL message Send Karth a Private Message
THO and PDK,

I experienced similar frustration through a fair bit of searching. I eventually struck gold, relatively speaking. Go here:

Just in case it is broken up by e-mail punctuation above: make sure to copy and paste the *entire* link, which covers more than one line. ;) You'll find the song sample about one third of the way down the page: "American Vicar of Bray - Sherrill Milnes" It is only a few stanzas, but I think it puts the point across. It appears to be an a capella rendition of an American revolutionary version of Vicar of Bray. Obviously the lyric is different, but I think having the tune to go along with Ed's lyric was the sticking point, so hopefully this is as helpful to PDK and others as it was to me...

Have fun. This made it *very* easy to visualize a pub in Cormyr, for me. ;)

Regards all,

-Karth


quote:
I haven't been able to find a good sample of "The Vicar of Bray" online... all I've found are lyrics sites and wordless MIDI sound files (now I have heard the gist of the melody, but I'd like to hear a full version, complete with words, without having to dish 30 dollars on a CD containing songs that are too culturally advanced for me). Any way you could point me out or recommend a good version?

As far as the songs go, PDK, I’ve HEARD some British folk groups (Steeleye Span, Fairport Convention) do very good versions of it onstage, but I haven’t found a good recorded version of it either.

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Kuje
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Posted - 29 Sep 2004 :  01:32:24  Show Profile  Send Kuje an AOL message  Click to see Kuje's MSN Messenger address  Send Kuje a Yahoo! Message Send Kuje a Private Message
Hiya again.

I got a few question from the WOTC poster who goes by the handle of Aluroon. I am not sure how many of these you can answer, Ed, because of your NDA's, but he/she asked me to see if you could help out. I did answer part three for him/her already.

"1) How many Elven High Mages are left in the Realms?

2) And how are the spread out (how many in Evermeet, how many in Evereska, ect)?

3)Also if there are any plans in the works for books that would give us some High Mage info.

Its been nagging me for a while, as there appears to be no clear answer to either of these 3 questions. If you can pass this on to him, I would be most greatful."

For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird

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The Hooded One
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Posted - 29 Sep 2004 :  16:14:26  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hello, kuje31. Aluroon’s request is somewhat thorny on the NDA front and on the design front. Here’s my preliminary take:
1. How many Elven High Mages are left in the Realms?
A: I know Ed’s NOT ever going to give a clear answer on this, because it restricts Realms designers, fiction writers, and DMs too much, and does so for no clear gain. A precise answer, unless one is looking for confirmation of extinction or a very small number, is useless. (How does 342 help more than 347?) If it’s a preliminary query to: “Thanks for the total, okay, now please list them,” I’m afraid THAT reply isn’t going to happen, either. It’s just bad design. On the other hand, giving a rough idea of the relative scarcity, collective power, and influence of High Mages.
2. And how are they spread out (how many in Evermeet, how many in Evereska, etc.)?
A: Yes, Ed can probably provide a (qualified) answer on this, and I’ll get after him to do so.
3. Also if there are any plans in the works for books that would give us some High Mage info.
A: Yes. (And no, Ed can’t say ANYTHING more: NDAs.)

So there you have it. For now.
love to all,
THO

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Kuje
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Posted - 29 Sep 2004 :  17:13:00  Show Profile  Send Kuje an AOL message  Click to see Kuje's MSN Messenger address  Send Kuje a Yahoo! Message Send Kuje a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hello, kuje31. Aluroon’s request is somewhat thorny on the NDA front and on the design front. Here’s my preliminary take:

So there you have it. For now.
love to all,
THO



Aye THO, that was what I figured and that was what I said to her/him when he/she asked me to post that question to Ed. So, as I said, I know Ed has his NDA's so if he can't answer any or only some of that, that's fine as well. :)

For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird

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The Hooded One
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Posted - 30 Sep 2004 :  02:21:31  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
FoolishOwl, I think you’re right: Ed’s world-view of living in balance with nature (brought about more by living in the city but having grandparents whom he visited, who lived on their own farms in the country, than by the movements of the Sixties, though I’m sure they both legitimized Ed’s views, in his own mind, AND made them seem ‘cool’ to the very young man he then was) has heavily influenced what the Realms is and how it’s been presented to the rest of us. For one thing, Ed can ‘think like races other than human’ better than any other DM I’ve ever met, and design the social life and domestic details of creatures (for example, the portrait of the yuan-ti he presented in Serpent Kingdoms) accordingly.
I know that as a player, I loved to view the Realms (from Shadowdale outwards) as one great living, breathing landscape, an approach Ed constantly encouraged by the word-pictures he painted, and the challenges and events he dropped into our laps. It’s a great way to view real life, too: as a great, endlessly-unrolling tapestry, in which we all just get to briefly weave our own personal little threads . . . a tapestry that will just go rolling on after our thread has snapped and we are no more, but that which (if we weave with sufficient beauty and care) we might be able to influence the design of, in tiny ways, by inspiring or teaching other weavers.
Whew. Heavy stuff, and my eyes are suspiciously . . . bright. I think I’ll go make some tea and bid all your fellow scribes adieu for another night. Ed e-mailed me to say that he’s very tired but very happy, after a second day of enjoying the sights (this time of Prince Edward County).
Bright weavings, all,
THO
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TheHermit
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Posted - 01 Oct 2004 :  12:49:29  Show Profile  Visit TheHermit's Homepage Send TheHermit a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Karth

THO and PDK,

I experienced similar frustration through a fair bit of searching. I eventually struck gold, relatively speaking. Go here:


Karth, any way you can edit this post with a http://tinyurl.com/ or something? That big URL makes my screen width all wonky.

- "Glitz & Klax's Potions & Elixirs"/"The Sandmen", Inside Ravens Bluff, The Living City; 1990; TSR, Inc.
- "The Far Guardians' Traveler's Mission", Port of Ravens Bluff; 1991, TSR, Inc.
- "Signs Painted", Polyhedron #70; April, 1992; TSR, Inc.
- Communications Director, Coliseum of Comics, Orlando, FL - http://coliseumofcomics.com/
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Karth
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Posted - 01 Oct 2004 :  14:58:04  Show Profile  Visit Karth's Homepage  Send Karth an AOL message Send Karth a Private Message
Looks like it's already been taken care of. Alaundo's work, perhaps. Thanks, Alaundo.

Tiny URL, eh? New one on me. Sorry folks...

-K
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The Hooded One
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Posted - 01 Oct 2004 :  14:59:36  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hello, fellow scribes.
Ed e-sent me his handout notes for his Worldbuilding workshop at Phantasm, with permission to share with you all. He stresses that this is just a framework for discussion/list of reminders of "elements and topics not to forget" rather than hard 'how to' data -- and that it's just one approach to crafting a setting. Here follow Ed's words:


First, what do you AND YOUR PLAYERS (as DM, it’s your job to entertain them, remember) want in play? How much acting, how much game-rules? Intrigue in a city, or exploring wilderness? Mainly fighting horrible monsters, or mainly fighting sinister NPCs? Lots of traps/no traps? Lots of magic/little or no magic?
Era: Medieval? Three Musketeers? Exploring the unknown in a fantasy equivalent of the time of Columbus? Gates to our modern world? What?
From these things, you can decide the tone of your setting.
Anything special about the landscape (wild magic, dead magic, mountains, desert, caves or deep woods or ravines or other difficult terrain teeming with monsters, etc., mountains as barriers, endless seas with islands so you spend all your time sailing except when you’re fighting pirates or BEING a pirate, perhaps a central lake or sea for easy travel across the setting) that affects play.
If you’re going to use a lot of published adventures (what we used to call “modules”) what elements (kingdoms, particular monsters, specific priesthoods or types of faiths) do they incorporate/demand?
These are basics, but think about them and WRITE YOUR DECISIONS DOWN. Most people don’t bother, and it shows.

From these basics, it’s time to plan.
For every topic, decide what’s common knowledge (what most inhabitants know) and then your DM secrets.
First, your ‘heartland’ setting or main country.
A quick overview of how most inhabitants live their lives (farmers? miners? fisherfolk? loggers? crafters? city or rural or frontier?) and the economy works, and laws and their enforcement, if any. What races live there? How do they regard each other (the cliché ‘dwarves and elves hate each other, everybody hates the orcs’ standard, or something else)?
Who rules? Who REALLY rules?
What’s the general attitude towards adventurers? If you need healing, where do you go and how do you get it? Ditto, supplies. Do adventurers immediately get enemies (evil priests, outlaws watching them to pounce, heavy-law-enforcing nobles who don’t want armed swaggerers in their lands)
Rival kingdoms? Establish ongoing and ‘right now’ CONFLICTS, both inside your ‘heartland’ country and between it and others. Trade and travel: routes, easy/hard, how done [wagons, dragonback flying, sailing on seas or rivers], does it allow smuggling, adventurers getting in and out of a country quickly, and so on.
Time to START drawing a map. Where’s the treasure going to be? Why hasn’t someone taken it years before your adventurers were born?
What are the favourite legends about treasures and monsters and adventurers and outlaws? Who are the people (rulers, nobles, high priests, whoever) that everyone “knows about” and gossips about, even if they’ve never seen them; who are the ‘big wheels’ in this world? Who are the power groups, especially hidden outlaw or rebel bands and secret societies?

Any local flavour you want to add (to make you and your players FEEL like your imaginary places are real) like strange names, customs, and so on?

When thinking about character deeds and misfortunes, don’t forget to cover CONSEQUENCES (like diseases, disfigurements, reputation). This goes double for PCs and their ongoing relationships with clergy.
Which brings us to gods, priesthoods, and holy rules and rituals. Decisions must be made, because PC and NPC personal freedoms are determined by setting (climate, weather, monsters, terrain, need for food and water), rulership (laws and monarchs or equivalent), and faith (personal beliefs and how much priests or holy messengers or the gods themselves ‘horn in’ and dictate or threaten people into particular behaviours)
For the usual D&D setting, we start with ‘where you go for healing and what’ll it cost’ and quickly progress into: major clergy, ‘key’ spells, creed (the rules characters must follow: do’s and don’ts, attitudes to particular races, deeds, and events), the personal aims (and views) of priests, the ambitions of the powerful priests and the church as a whole, and so on.

So, we end up with:
• Country (climate, topography with dominant flora and fauna, industries, brief overview tour)
• People (racial makeup of populace, general attitudes, overall nature of everyday life [rural farming])
• Faiths
• Rulership
• Authority (the court and/or bureaucrats)
• Laws and Law Enforcement (plus armies, if any)
• Power Groups
• Powerful People: NPCs and groups (social status: nobles?)
• Locales (cities and other settlements, or in a city-based campaign, individual neighbourhoods)
• Flavour/Colour Stuff: coinage, customs (births, deaths, weddings), strange names, Cool Stuff like enchanted wells and shapechangers, and suchlike, legends, how do people dress, some notes on how news/rumor travels and how fast
• Intrigues that PCs are going to get mixed up in
• Adventures: what will the PCs start off wanting to go and see? Why? (Do they need cash? Respect? What are the goads?) . . . and what will you as DM end up running them through? How will this feed into future adventures and intrigues?


So saith Ed. Nothing new here, and lots missing, but hopefully a helpful summary.
love to all,
THO
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Blueblade
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Posted - 02 Oct 2004 :  15:28:13  Show Profile  Visit Blueblade's Homepage Send Blueblade a Private Message
Honored Ed and THO,

I have a question for the Creator of the Realms: how in the name of all the gods you created, Mr. Greenwood, do you find TIME to do all the stuff you do?
Okay, two questions.
Will the Knights books be Elminster books in disguise, or not?
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Faraer
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Posted - 02 Oct 2004 :  15:30:54  Show Profile  Visit Faraer's Homepage Send Faraer a Private Message
Ed has a new novel series coming!
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The Hooded One
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Posted - 02 Oct 2004 :  15:40:29  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Blueblade,
I'll relay your questions to Ed in the usual way. He's still entertaining, and so might take most of the day to reply, or even longer, but I can start to answer for him:
Question 1: When he gets going, Ed is one of the FASTEST writers I have ever met, heard of, or worked with. A throwback to the pulp writers who wrote a (much shorter than today's, but just as complex) book a week, or even two a week (e.g. John Creasey).
Question 2: I have asked Ed this very same question myself. He replied that although the Old Mage will have to put in an appearance from time to time, he emphatically does NOT intend these books to be dominated by El.

THO

Edited by - The Hooded One on 02 Oct 2004 15:44:46
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The Hooded One
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Posted - 02 Oct 2004 :  15:43:03  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Faraer,
I'm not sure any rights for Falconfar have been sold yet. So it might be a far-future novel series.

THO

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Bakra
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quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Faraer,
I'm not sure any rights for Falconfar have been sold yet. So it might be a far-future novel series.

THO


Well that allows me to get caught up on my reading then! And tell Ed thanks for the notes he provided above and to enjoy his time off.
Take care,
Bakra, Lord of the Outlying Thread

I hope Candlekeep continues to be the friendly forum of fellow Realms-lovers that it has always been, as we all go through this together. If you don’t want to move to the “new” Realms, that doesn’t mean there’s anything wrong with either you or the “old” Realms. Goodness knows Candlekeep, and the hearts of its scribes, are both big enough to accommodate both. If we want them to be.
(Strikes dramatic pose, raises sword to gleam in the sunset, and hopes breeches won’t fall down.)
Enough for now. The Realms lives! I have spoken! Ale and light wines half price, served by a smiling Storm Silverhand fetchingly clad in thigh-high boots and naught else! Ahem . .
So saith Ed. <snip>
love to all,
THO
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Faraer
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You're right -- must read whole page. (I found it while checking Ed's bibliography to see which of the LC modules he wrote for.) So it's either a future novel series or, worst case, a contribution to the library of non-existent books.
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The Hooded One
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Posted - 03 Oct 2004 :  02:50:12  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
LC modules?
Ed contributed the Vast to LC2, did the City of Ravens Bluff accessory, and wrote at least two of the LC modules handed out to RPGA members for tournament use (Ed is a Charter Life member of the RPGA, and at one time was empowered to write certs, like Wes Nicholson in Australia, but I've no idea what part he takes in current RPGA doings; the constant "computer crash and loss of all our points" was a source of ongoing hilarity amongst the 'original' Realms players, but I do recall Ed receiving a Grand Master ribbon at one point, and at another time seeing a GenCon tournament printout that listed him as a 9th level judge and 6th level player, and I also seem to remember him receiving a service medal). "Spellstorm" was the first of Ed's for-tournament-use modules, I believe, and "The Gauntlet of the Sisterhood" and "Thraldigar's Tower" may have been others. BTW, the RPGA version of Spellstorm, with all of his visual aids removed so as to strip it of its mystery-solving character, displeased him very much. Sigh.
THO

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The Hooded One
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Posted - 03 Oct 2004 :  16:24:07  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hail, fellow scribes. I bring you some words of Ed;


As my delightfully hooded lady commented, NDAs prevent me from revealing overmuch about Elven High Magic or its practitioners, but I can say that Evermeet holds AT LEAST 26 elven High Mages, and that the mainland holds more than that, widely scattered (and no, I’m not going to say more: that’s where the NDAs come in. :} )
And I echo THO’s reply to your third question. “Yes,” and no more. :}

None of the Knights of Myth Drannor trilogy novels are finished yet, but I don’t want Elminster to feature prominently in them. He must ‘be there’ in several scenes, but this is the Knights’ story, not his, and I hope to keep it that way.

And yes, I produce things at a great rate because I can write quickly, and because I’m still learning how to say “No.” :} Seriously, I love to write, I live to write, and far more than many people, I’ve managed to arrange both myself and my life so I manage to do a lot of putting my bum on a chair and my fingers on a keyboard and actually writing, instead of just talking about it or planning to do it.

Falconfar is a “vaportome” trilogy at the moment, and may remain so for some time (some deals fell through). It seems some publishers (not WotC nor Tor Books; this series was offered to neither of them) are seizing on the current downturn in the publishing industry to try to roll back payment scales and contract conditions to the 1930s or so (claiming to be unable to afford to pay advances, and to only be able to pay royalty rates of a few percent MINUS all publishing costs; conditions that leave writers who accept them unable to even pay for enough food to survive the time it takes to type the works), and although I’ve been known to do gaming products ‘for free’ out of friendship and because of interest in participating in a particular setting or project, I won’t let publishers who I know to already be fat and rich despite a history of crying the financial blues continue that act on my back. Not when I can concentrate on my first love, the Realms, and on projects over which I’ll have a little more artistic control. No hard feelings towards them; they’ll just have to find other suckers to write for them, that’s all. :}


So saith Ed. He did e-mention that he hopes to have a leetle more time for converse in the weeks ahead—but then, hope is a shining horse that many dreamers ride.
love to all,
THO
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quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hello, fellow scribes.
Athenon, you have the Lis correct. Let me quote from Ed’s unpublished ‘What Your Character Knows’ notes:


Hm... this sounds extremely interesting. May I ask, of either Ed or the Lady Hooded, more about these notes?

And no, I won't ask you to send me a copy of them or anything like that (although... no, I'll resist :)); I'm more interested in what funcion they served? Are these notes to introduce new players? Were they used to introduce the original Knights to the Realms? Did they cover just geography, or also history, politics, religion, etc? And were they really that detailed? Because such a collection of "notes," if one entry for a river would go into such detail, could quickly become practically encyclopedic.

I want you to go home and ponder the meaning of the word subversive.

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The Hooded One
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fourthmensch, Ed’s ‘What Your Character Knows’ notes were furnished to each of the Knights with their character background. The Lisen details came from Lanseril’s notes, because he spent some time in a hut very close to the west bank of the River Lis, being trained by a senior druid (and so knew all about the fauna, flora, and natural processes and cycles of the terrain right in front of him during his instruction). At a later time, we Knights journeyed to this area, and Ed agreed that Ian Hunter (who played Lanseril) could share this portion of his notes with the rest of us, to game-simulate Lanseril Snowmantle telling his fellow Knights what they were heading into.
So the Notes WERE encyclopaedic, but also had big gaps. I’ve seen the ‘Player Pack’ that Ed prepared for The Company of the Stag (one of his later library program groups: a chartered band of PC adventurers whose careers were fated to last for thirteen weekly four-hour play sessions), and it was some forty pages long, with an index. He gave the TSR designers a copy of it, as I recall.
Which reminds me of an idea discussed elsewhere: a party of PC adventurers who were ALL bastard offspring of Azoun IV. Ed did just this with a library PC group, although only the Cormaeril and the Thundersword sons knew their true parentage by the end of play. He’s not sure just how suspicious the other players were as to the bloodlines of their characters, but said the whole thing made for fascinating roleplaying, “even better than I expected, despite a recurring player tendency to just say to the Nine Hells with it all and hack something, rather than wading into the intrigues and trying to worm out more truths.”
Just one more spicy little slice of Realmslore.
THO
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Fair Hooded One, and through you the All-Wise Ed (yes, a blatent attempt at flattery to get info I am after!):

What additional information can Ed (or yerself!) provide on the history of Halaster (that the the NDAs will permit)? What were the names of all of the Seven and where were they from? Are we still holding the mystery of where exactly Halaster is from, or has it finally been revealed in some obscure publication I have missed?

ANY info would be GREATLY appreciated.

Thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you

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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by Melfius

Fair Hooded One, and through you the All-Wise Ed (yes, a blatent attempt at flattery to get info I am after!):

What additional information can Ed (or yerself!) provide on the history of Halaster (that the the NDAs will permit)? What were the names of all of the Seven and where were they from? Are we still holding the mystery of where exactly Halaster is from, or has it finally been revealed in some obscure publication I have missed?

ANY info would be GREATLY appreciated.

Thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you



The Seven Sisters, and their origins, are fully covered in the 2E source The Seven Sisters.

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I believe he was referring to Halaster's seven apprentices. :)
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Yes, the Seven apprentices. I know (off the top of my head) Trobriand, Kestleharp, Muriel (was he an apprentice? Or just a body guard?), and Arcturia. There were more listed somewhere, like in Escape from Undermountain, but I don't remember them. I wanted to do a story with Halaster, something like The Making of a Mage, so I'm digging up as much Realmslore as I can!

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Ah, my bad... Muiral, Trobriand, and Arcturia were all detailed in the first Undermountain boxed set. Muiral and Trobriand were also covered in the second boxed set. Arcturia died during Halaster's Harvestide.

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One of them is also in Secrets of the Magister, since well she became a Magister at one point. :)

To Ed and THO: Aluroon sends her/his thanks for the quick replies to the High Mage question.

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Posted - 05 Oct 2004 :  09:18:52  Show Profile  Visit RevJest's Homepage Send RevJest a Private Message
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Originally posted by The Hooded One

Which reminds me of an idea discussed elsewhere: a party of PC adventurers who were ALL bastard offspring of Azoun IV.


THO & Ed,

Has a Cormyrian nobleman never reacted with hostility to discovering that his wife is with the king's child? Maybe even told his wife to hit the bricks? If so, does the man end up dead? Is there any sympathy for a man who has been cuckholded by his monarch?

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