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Kuje
Great Reader

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Posted - 27 May 2004 :  06:14:22  Show Profile  Send Kuje an AOL message  Click to see Kuje's MSN Messenger address  Send Kuje a Yahoo! Message Send Kuje a Private Message
Hi Ed,

Are you tired of me yet?

Anyhow as I mentioned I've been rereading my old sourcebooks and I had a question. I know this goes back to the question about rituals, but I had to ask.

Can you expand on the Ritual of Remembrance that is preformed on The Feast of the Moon? Or has that ever been detailed somewhere in the vast realmslore that can be found in sourcebooks, Dragon, Polyhedron, etc?

For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird

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Blueblade
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Posted - 27 May 2004 :  13:06:18  Show Profile  Visit Blueblade's Homepage Send Blueblade a Private Message
Thank you for those Simbul details, Great Elminster.
More, please, I beseech you. More!
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Karth
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Posted - 28 May 2004 :  15:02:15  Show Profile  Visit Karth's Homepage  Send Karth an AOL message Send Karth a Private Message
"Cormyrean jaws to drop", indeed. Several other sorts as well. That was evil, Ed. Just... wrong. ;)

-Karth
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fourthmensch
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Posted - 01 Jun 2004 :  08:23:27  Show Profile  Visit fourthmensch's Homepage  Send fourthmensch an AOL message Send fourthmensch a Private Message
Hey Ed! Olore!

I have a question for you that has more to do with statistics than actual lore. I know you're not really big on providing hard numbers for a lot of things, but this one would really help me out in my current campaign.

How many Purple Dragons are there in Cormyr? I know the pre-Nalavara numbers were something like 12,000, but since then (and Tilverton's destruction), I haven't seen any definite roster. Discussions on the various message boards provide wildly varying estimates. What with looming Shadovar conflict, Sembian intrigue, and those restless nobles that appear in El's Daughter, I feel it is somewhat important to know just what Cormyr's strength is.

Obviously, I can always decide on a number for myself based on what best fits my campaign. But, since you authored the books (), I was wondering if you had any thoughts you could share.

(PS. I know you're road tripping with the readings and such, so I'll be patient until you returen.)

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Blueblade
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Posted - 01 Jun 2004 :  17:37:13  Show Profile  Visit Blueblade's Homepage Send Blueblade a Private Message
I have family in North Bay, and my sister just told me that not only did Ed do a signing at the local Coles, the next morning he put on his Elminster costume and went and told fantasy stories (!) for the Grade 1 and 2 kids at Pinewood School, then went on to do a writing workshop for the Grade 7 and 8s (teens), and THEN went to the local TV studios and did an interview show (called “Life Is”) to be aired in late June, early July, and at random times thereafter (he’s also been invited back to do more, whenever he visits again).
Then he dropped in to all the local gaming stores (the guys running them have become his friends over the years) to sign things for fans, shopped at the local book stores, took his family to ride the carousel and see Shrek 2, and then drove home to do laundry and get his car serviced before he left for Chicago – where he’ll be appearing at the Wizards booth on Friday at BookExpoAmerica (Margaret Weis will be there Saturday). Busy guy.
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Sarelle
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Posted - 01 Jun 2004 :  17:38:00  Show Profile  Visit Sarelle's Homepage  Click to see Sarelle's MSN Messenger address Send Sarelle a Private Message
Mr. Greenwood,

I would have waited till you posted next for my queries, but I'm sure I'd have forgotten the questions by then, so:

1) Have Elminster and Khelben ever battled each other, mock-battled, or had a mageduel? I have this great picture in my mind of them readying for a friendly mageduel with smiles on their faces - Khelben's masking 'He'll not be grinning like that for long!'

2) Could you dispense some of your lovely Realmslore on Uthmere of the Great Dale? As part of a project on this site, I'd love to know more about the city.

Thank you.

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Herr Doktor
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Posted - 01 Jun 2004 :  18:46:01  Show Profile  Visit Herr Doktor's Homepage  Send Herr Doktor an AOL message  Click to see Herr Doktor's MSN Messenger address Send Herr Doktor a Private Message
Dear Hooded Madam, and Ed,

I've begun planning an interesting campaign set far into the past, it will be a campaign that covers a LARGE expanse of time, from generation to generation of PC. The setting? Zhentil Keep, or what used to be called Flostren's Hold, or even earlier a nameless mining and trading camp (or did it have a name?).

It'll be quite interesting when the the Hold finally changes name to Zhentil Keep. I'm sure it'll be a great suprise for any group of players not well-versed in the history of the Keep.

I'll be drawing mostly from the Ruins of Zhentil Keep campaign book, but I was wondering if Ed might be able to supply any info on what the Moonsea was like back then, or, any more on the development of the mining camp to Flostren's Hold to the Keep, and any info on important NPCs from the founding, important events, et cetera.

Also, anything else I should keep in mind when running a campaign way-back-when (640 DR)?

Thanks for answering our questions!

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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author

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Posted - 01 Jun 2004 :  20:51:36  Show Profile  Visit Steven Schend's Homepage  Send Steven Schend a Yahoo! Message Send Steven Schend a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Sarelle

Mr. Greenwood,

I would have waited till you posted next for my queries, but I'm sure I'd have forgotten the questions by then, so:

1) Have Elminster and Khelben ever battled each other, mock-battled, or had a mageduel? I have this great picture in my mind of them readying for a friendly mageduel with smiles on their faces - Khelben's masking 'He'll not be grinning like that for long!'



I'm not Ed, but I do know a thing or two about Khelben, so this'll have to be from his perspective.

"Aye, the Old Goat and I have clashed in our days, but for posterity's sake, we choose not to air our sordid tales of youth to sully the reputations of Mystra's Chosen.

Nowadays, our battles can be for show, as we both take on other shapes to hoodwink our foes into revealing secrets at a Magefair.

They can be for fun, as it is vastly hard to truly test a new spell's effectiveness without tossing it about a time or three among friends before lobbing it at the latest creature wishing to conquer the known Realms.

Mind you, even an errant rude hand gesture is better received and returned by Elminster than me, but one knows when to tug on the beard and when to simply leave it be. Would that the Zhentarim would learn such restraint...

The one thing I have learned across the centuries with Elminster is to not allow him to choose the weapon of a duel, mock or otherwise. His stomach can handle far more disgusting drinks than mine, and thus his duel-feints tend to defeat mine by seven tankards or more. I can only best him not in breadth of knowledge about artifacts, though I do know more about those who have carried them over the years than he. Alas, rarified knowledge such as this makes for dull dueling, even over our cups."

Khelben the Blackstaff
Who counted many a mage as his mentor but fewer still friend, and the last Aumar accounts for both

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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 02 Jun 2004 :  00:56:30  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Well met again, fellow gentle scribes! Yes, ’tis Thy Scantily Hooded Lady, with a surprise e-mail from Ed, sent to me during his brief return to his lair betwixt North Bay and Chicago:


To Gerath Hoan, re. Manshoon: The Manshoon who’s part of the Zhentarim remains a soft-spoken, almost purring man who dislikes being dirty or appearing ridiculous, prefers close-fitting and fairly plain-of-hue garments to all others, and is constantly alert and careful of his words. He rarely betrays his true feelings or future plans or intentions, and delights in surprising people with deeds they’ve not suspected he was going to perform.
This Manshoon has convinced Fzoul that he’s a changed man, by the simple expedient of allowing Fzoul to magically probe his mind and see the truth -- because this particular clone of Manshoon IS a changed man. Relieved not to be heading the Zhentarim (and constantly having to watch others for treachery and deal with the constant stream of “they’ve screwed up again” headaches that running the Network has come to entail) any longer, this Manshoon has returned to his other love: magic.
Rather than enjoying the power of manipulating people, he’s turned to perfecting new spells and variants of existing magics, tinkering particularly with ways of linking spells to each other, so if Spell A is cast and then particular conditions are fulfilled (such as the caster of Spell A being wounded after casting Spell A, or new foes arriving and attacking that caster after Spell A is cast), Spell B will then be unleashed without anyone having to actually perform its casting).
The ‘new’ Manshoon keeps to spell-guarded chambers in a handful of Zhent strongholds, always informing Fzoul of his movements and whereabouts, and communicates only with Fzoul and Fzoul’s chosen go-betweens, and with agents Fzoul lends him to employ on magic- and intelligence-gathering and -casting expeditions (agents who are of course loyal spies of Fzoul, and who are changed regularly to keep Manshoon from corrupting them). Manshoon no longer deals directly with non-Zhents or travels the Realms; instead, his soft-spoken, sophisticated agents (mainly clerics of Bane who possess some personal sorcerous abilities) speak and act for him.
His most powerful current agents are the coldly sadistic Aumlar Thaelren (LE male human Clr11 of Bane, Sor5), known as “Glittergloat” behind his back amongst Zhentarim for the way his eyes brighten as he openly enjoys the pain and suffering of others; Yethtra Malander (LE female human Clr9 of Bane, Sor4), a 6-and-a-half-foot tall, very slender but cat-sleek and curvaceous woman with back-of-knee-length straight black hair sometimes worn in a mare’s tail and sometimes piled up around a tiara in that hairdo known in the Realms as a ‘crown,’ who’s rumored to be Manshoon’s lover and to bear tattoos he’s personally spell-seared into her skin (and believed by some Zhents to be a weapon Manshoon is forging against Fzoul, but by others to be Fzoul’s unshakably-loyal-to-the-Chosen-of-Bane way of controlling Manshoon); and Onselan Durkree (LE male human Clr7 of Bane, Sor2), a purring, very handsome young man who enjoys dressing up as either gender and manipulating people into betraying their secrets to him and doing his bidding.
This Manshoon knows of dozens of portals he can readily use to escape Fzoul’s spells and scrutiny, but has not yet shown any signs of doing so -- or of betraying Fzoul in any way.
He does seem amused by Fzoul’s struggles to deal with incompetence, corruption, and treachery within the Zhentarim, and to be enjoying the show. What he’s waiting for, or whom he might be in league with, remain mysteries to Fzoul and other Zhentarim as well as to the wider Realms.
On a recent occasion when he was attacked by several ambitious Zhent mages, several liches and half-illithid sorcerers appeared in this Manshoon’s chambers to hurl spells on his behalf, vanquishing all of his attackers save one . . . whom he spared to “spread wise words” to all Zhents not to waste their lives trying to best or bother him.


So saith Ed. Ah, yes, Manshoon. He once stopped a Zhent soldier from slashing my down-and-wounded character with the gentle command, “No. Never damage useful goods.”
Of course, that promptly gave said Zhent some ideas about how my defenseless body could be useful, but his hesitation about starting to ah, enjoy his train of thought until Manshoon had departed gave me time to muster strength enough to reward him properly. With the knife sheathed at the back of my neck, under my hair, attached to my black-ribbon choker. Eyeballs pop when pierced, did you know?

THO
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Dargoth
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Australia
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Posted - 02 Jun 2004 :  01:32:41  Show Profile  Visit Dargoth's Homepage Send Dargoth a Private Message
Ed Ive got a favour to ask

In the old FR Adventures book there was a table of the Heirarchy of the Zhentarim which tiered down 3-4 levels is there any chance you could do an updated version of this Heirarchy with how the Church of Bane, Manshoons supporters and the Cyricists in Darkhold fit into the Zhentarim Heiarchy.

I know theres one in Lords of Darkness buts not very large

Thanks in advance

Dargoth

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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 02 Jun 2004 :  04:10:40  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Well met again, fellow scribes. Just when you thought it was safe to pick up a good book and settle down to await Ed’s return (or at least that’s what I was doing), a surprise missive from the Bearded Creator himself:


A little more about The Simbul. First, following up on my previous revelations of The Simbul post, ambitious Red Wizards should be warned that she’s become hyper-alert for their ilk trying to get past her defenses by offering backrubs, so don’t even contemplate it.
Second, Elminster’s introduced her to dry Martinis, and she likes them even more than pina coladas and margaritas. No skewers through the olives please: just drop at least three of them into the glass -- and none of these tiny flared glasses, either: a pint beer tankard will do just fine. (Red Wizards, if you’ve started thinking that getting the Witch-Queen of Aglarond drunk is your route to conquest, think again. Kegs of strong spirit have been poured down her throat in unsuccessful attempts to do just that.)
Third, the lady in question has a tiny birthmark or burn-scar on the back of her right thigh, JUST under the curve of her derriere. It’s about two inches long, follows the curve of her behind, is about a quarter of an inch across, is silver (but matte finish, like her skin, not glinting or metallic) in hue, and wiggles slightly, like a tiny snake or worm. When she unleashes silver fire, it sometimes glows silver (but not always).
Fourth, The Simbul feels very little pain through her feet, and has been known to walk on daggerpoints or fire-coals without changing her normal swaying stride (note: her feet aren’t numb, so she’ll notice and feel anything she walks on).
Fifth, the Queen of Aglarond likes cloaks, and can with a cantrip conjure up her own “flutterbreeze” to make any garments she wears swirl or stream out from her in precisely-controlled ways, just as she desires them to. She often strolls around her palace clad only in a cloak wrapped around her like an untidy sari, and can choose to use her cantrip to hold it up in situations when, on another woman, it would fall away to the floor. Red Wizards contemplating embarrassing her by trying to cancel this magic are advised that she won’t be discomfited in the slightest by being laid bare. An angry old merchant of Aglarond once tore her a royal robe right off her, shouting that she wasn’t fit to wear it, and she calmly faced him down in just her skin. In the end, HE was embarrassed by what he’d done (and no, she didn’t harm him in the slightest, then or later).
Sixth, The Simbul used to scorn most ballads and tales as “wastes of time,” but in recent years (possibly due to Elminster’s influence), she’s acquired a taste (that she likes to keep very quiet) for passionate love-tales, the more florid and flowery the better (not porn, but the heatedly overdescribed “she pined in her gown of chartreuse lace whilst his smouldering eyes devoured her from beyond the rosebush of her ancestors” stuff. Certain Harpers have taken to penning such dreck and insinuating messages and viewpoints into it in hopes of subtly swaying the Queen of Aglarond’s own views -- but she usually identifies such strivings with a snort, and either seeks out the writer to fling his own work at him, or enjoys it for the passionate prose, and thanks the scribe with a mocking note requesting more.


So saith Ed. Well, well. You live and learn. I MUST finish that would-be Harlequin I once started. Not for publication, but to trade it to Ed for one of those mocking notes from The Simbul. Now THAT would be Realmslore to treasure.
Ed will be motoring on down to BEA in Chicago to join his friends the Book Publishing folks from Wizards, so this is probably his last message for a couple of days. By all means talk among yourselves: I’d love to read some of the scribes posting their reactions to Ed’s revelations in this thread. And (putting on my professional book editor’s hat for a moment) catch your reviews of ELMINSTER’S DAUGHTER. I consider it one of the three best-written Ed Realms novels (ELMINSTER IN HELL and STORMLIGHT being the others).
Ed has yet another secret project up his sleeve, BTW, but ’tis way too soon to reveal more . . .
THO
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 02 Jun 2004 :  04:41:11  Show Profile  Visit SiriusBlack's Homepage Send SiriusBlack a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One
Ed has yet another secret project up his sleeve, BTW, but ’tis way too soon to reveal more . . .
THO




Well if that's a problem, don't reveal, but merely give a hint, or two, or...
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Crust
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Posted - 02 Jun 2004 :  04:42:06  Show Profile  Visit Crust's Homepage  Send Crust an AOL message Send Crust a Private Message
Now that is some amazing information concerning Manshoon. It really is a blessing that we can expect information like that here. I always thought it was a shame he lost his clones. They always gave him a perverted immortality. Elminster couldn't die, but neither could Manshoon, really. Even after being annhilated by spellfire, he crept back from the dead. Dispite the loss, it's still nice to know that Manshoon is still the Darth Vader of Faerun. He's probably the one character I'd like to see next. I was disappointed he didn't make even a minor appearance in Elminster's Daughter (which was an awesome addition to Greenwood's lore).

As for Khelben and Elminster, didn't they fight together during the fall of Myth Drannor?


"That's right, hurl back views that force ye to think by name-calling - 'tis the grand old tradition, let it not down! Anything to keep from having to think, or - Mystra forfend - change thy own views!"

Narnra glowered at her father. "Just how am I to learn how to think? By being taught by you?"

"Some folk in the Realms would give their lives for the chance to learn at my feet," Elminster said mildly. "Several already have."

~from Elminster's Daughter, Ed Greenwood
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Kuje
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Posted - 02 Jun 2004 :  04:55:45  Show Profile  Send Kuje an AOL message  Click to see Kuje's MSN Messenger address  Send Kuje a Yahoo! Message Send Kuje a Private Message
Hi Ed, when you get a chance.

I'm posting this for Brother Shatterstone from the WOTC boards: "I'm sure many bizarre questions have been asked upon this forum but I'm not sure how many are stranger than this...

So many wondrous mines have touched the realms since their creation so I wouldn't be surprised if there was such a thing but I'm afraid that I'm not sure where to look.

Anyhow, I'm looking for a list of exotic fruit that are based in the Forgotten Realms. Is there a thing and can any of the mighty sagas help me find it?

Note: I'm not really looking for any real world fruit here."

For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird

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Capn Charlie
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Posted - 02 Jun 2004 :  05:25:00  Show Profile  Visit Capn Charlie's Homepage  Click to see Capn Charlie's MSN Messenger address  Send Capn Charlie a Yahoo! Message Send Capn Charlie a Private Message
Hear, Hear!

I too am curious about the produce of the realms.


*Whistles innocently* And I am still wondering about the cuisine of Turmish, thay, Western Heartlands and the north. Or anywhere else for that matter.

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Bewoulf Kiliet
Acolyte

Brazil
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Posted - 02 Jun 2004 :  06:20:48  Show Profile  Visit Bewoulf Kiliet's Homepage  Send Bewoulf Kiliet an ICQ Message Send Bewoulf Kiliet a Private Message
Well met, Mr. Greenwood.

I'd like to ask if there's any piece of Realmslore you can provide me on the Kryptgarden Forest, when you have the free time to do so. What kind of plants and animals are there, what does it looks like, and how should an adventurer "feel" once inside the forest?

Thanks in advance, and more thanks for all the amazing collection of Realmslore you've been providing us with!

"Living comes much easier once we admit we're dying."
- John Petrucci

Edited by - Bewoulf Kiliet on 12 Jun 2004 19:48:50
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Sarelle
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Posted - 02 Jun 2004 :  13:14:06  Show Profile  Visit Sarelle's Homepage  Click to see Sarelle's MSN Messenger address Send Sarelle a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Steven Schend


I'm not Ed, but I do know a thing or two about Khelben, so this'll have to be from his perspective.

"Aye, the Old Goat and I have clashed in our days, but for posterity's sake, we choose not to air our sordid tales of youth to sully the reputations of Mystra's Chosen.

Nowadays, our battles can be for show, as we both take on other shapes to hoodwink our foes into revealing secrets at a Magefair.

They can be for fun, as it is vastly hard to truly test a new spell's effectiveness without tossing it about a time or three among friends before lobbing it at the latest creature wishing to conquer the known Realms.

Mind you, even an errant rude hand gesture is better received and returned by Elminster than me, but one knows when to tug on the beard and when to simply leave it be. Would that the Zhentarim would learn such restraint...

The one thing I have learned across the centuries with Elminster is to not allow him to choose the weapon of a duel, mock or otherwise. His stomach can handle far more disgusting drinks than mine, and thus his duel-feints tend to defeat mine by seven tankards or more. I can only best him not in breadth of knowledge about artifacts, though I do know more about those who have carried them over the years than he. Alas, rarified knowledge such as this makes for dull dueling, even over our cups."

Khelben the Blackstaff
Who counted many a mage as his mentor but fewer still friend, and the last Aumar accounts for both



Thank you, Mr. Schend. I did wonder if I should have directed the question at you as well/instead, so that's great!

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Dargoth
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Australia
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Posted - 02 Jun 2004 :  14:24:52  Show Profile  Visit Dargoth's Homepage Send Dargoth a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Ed will be motoring on down to BEA in Chicago to join his friends the Book Publishing folks from Wizards, so this is probably his last message for a couple of days.



Hmmm I wonder if we can get Ed to brain wash the head of the book department into doing that book about Bane weve always wanted!

“I am the King of Rome, and above grammar”

Emperor Sigismund

"Its good to be the King!"

Mel Brooks
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fourthmensch
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Posted - 02 Jun 2004 :  21:32:47  Show Profile  Visit fourthmensch's Homepage  Send fourthmensch an AOL message Send fourthmensch a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

By all means talk among yourselves: I’d love to read some of the scribes posting their reactions to Ed’s revelations in this thread. And (putting on my professional book editor’s hat for a moment) catch your reviews of ELMINSTER’S DAUGHTER. I consider it one of the three best-written Ed Realms novels (ELMINSTER IN HELL and STORMLIGHT being the others).


As for Elminster's Daughter, I have nothing but good things to say. A solidly entertaining story, with all the intrigue (and occasional farce--Rhauligan's chase scene on Marsemban rooftops is hilarious) that you'd expect, and--if you're anything like myself or Karth--enough revelations to make your jaw drop and slip into a long bout of laughter.

I want you to go home and ponder the meaning of the word subversive.

Gully Foyle is my name
And Terra is my nation
Deep space is my dwelling place
The stars my destination.
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lobotraxx
Acolyte

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Posted - 03 Jun 2004 :  14:50:23  Show Profile  Visit lobotraxx's Homepage Send lobotraxx a Private Message
To THO or Ed or anyone that may have answer to this. This is my first post, I believe, but I have been viewing everyones input and questions for awhile. I'm not sure if this was ever covered in any previous forums. I had asked this in the WOTC group before they took the novel board down. Now for the question:

In Shandril's Saga Book 2 Crown of Fire, near the end of the book in the epilogue, Elminster(In tankard form) told Shandril and Narm that she would be having a girl. He had received this visions from Mystra and she will also wield spellfire. In the third book, there is never any mention of the child. I'm not sure how much time has passed between the novels or whether she might have had it or lost it or is it being hidden for right now. What happened to the child and will there be future telling of this story? Thanks.

Lobotraxx
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Josh Davids
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I just wanted to say this about Elminster’s daughter. Dear god man that was a great book I started at 3 in the afternoon and barring breaks finished by 2am, didn’t put it down for anything. By the end my jaw was left hanging by all that was revealed. And I must say I started to like Darkspells, Surth and Bezrar and just wonder what will happen to them down the years.

And Dear Hooded One you are right about this being one of the top three FR books, now if you excuse me I got to go toss it to my dad and tell him to read it now so I don’t blurt out anything in the following days that will ruin it for him. By the burning nine hells this was a great read. I don’t want to say too much and ruin for others who haven’t read it but man a great read.
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 04 Jun 2004 :  21:37:57  Show Profile  Visit SiriusBlack's Homepage Send SiriusBlack a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Josh Davids
By the burning nine hells this was a great read. I don’t want to say too much and ruin for others who haven’t read it but man a great read.




There's another thread for this fine book where anyone wishing to share their thoughts on the major developments within the novel can do so.
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fourthmensch
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Posted - 04 Jun 2004 :  23:47:23  Show Profile  Visit fourthmensch's Homepage  Send fourthmensch an AOL message Send fourthmensch a Private Message
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Originally posted by lobotraxx

In Shandril's Saga Book 2 Crown of Fire, near the end of the book in the epilogue, Elminster(In tankard form) told Shandril and Narm that she would be having a girl. He had received this visions from Mystra and she will also wield spellfire. In the third book, there is never any mention of the child. I'm not sure how much time has passed between the novels or whether she might have had it or lost it or is it being hidden for right now. What happened to the child and will there be future telling of this story? Thanks.


IIRC, the child miscarried after the spellfire-wielding demilich tried to drain her. This happened in Crown of Fire.

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Originally posted by fourthmensch

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Originally posted by lobotraxx

In Shandril's Saga Book 2 Crown of Fire, near the end of the book in the epilogue, Elminster(In tankard form) told Shandril and Narm that she would be having a girl. He had received this visions from Mystra and she will also wield spellfire. In the third book, there is never any mention of the child. I'm not sure how much time has passed between the novels or whether she might have had it or lost it or is it being hidden for right now. What happened to the child and will there be future telling of this story? Thanks.


IIRC, the child miscarried after the spellfire-wielding demilich tried to drain her. This happened in Crown of Fire.



But didn't that happen near the beginning of the novel? I know she had miscarried with the spellfire demilich. At the end, she said that she was pregnant....again.
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Originally posted by Josh Davids

I just wanted to say this about Elminster’s daughter. Dear god man that was a great book I started at 3 in the afternoon and barring breaks finished by 2am, didn’t put it down for anything. By the end my jaw was left hanging by all that was revealed. And I must say I started to like Darkspells, Surth and Bezrar and just wonder what will happen to them down the years.


Ain't that the truth. Darkspells reminded me of other over-reaching wizards in other Greenwood novels, such as Manshoon, Ilbryn Starym, and Thaltar Glaevar. Also, the pairing of Surth and Bezrar reminded me very much of Tabarast and Beldrune (if I'm spelling those names correctly).

Elminster's Daughter was just amazing. Classic Greenwood. I was so delighted to see the characters he was working with in the novel. Some great reunions for me.

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Narnra glowered at her father. "Just how am I to learn how to think? By being taught by you?"

"Some folk in the Realms would give their lives for the chance to learn at my feet," Elminster said mildly. "Several already have."

~from Elminster's Daughter, Ed Greenwood
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