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rumblebelly
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Posted - 12 Jun 2004 :  11:29:57  Show Profile  Visit rumblebelly's Homepage Send rumblebelly a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Oh, sirius you're right there
Pharaun is somehow cooler than Jarlaxle himself (uhm nope, they are equal, well sorta like)
I liked the friendship between him and Ryld and when Pharaun betrayed him to save himself I just thought "Gosh, these are dark elves!"

Norticus and I were talking about it the other day and he said "I almost came to believe they were not dark elves at all untill Pharaun's betrayal"
well he's right

another question, not with a professional intention though
I wonder why your Triel is more incompetent than RAS' Triel in the Legacy series. I mean she was not that helpless then. But maybe matron motherhood shook her for good I know she was afraid to have all the responsibilities a matron should bear, but I always pictured her as a "little demon of a drow" you changed that mental image a bit and replaced there a scared little girl on the throne instead... (no offense pls, tis but my humble opinion)


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Richard Lee Byers
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Posted - 12 Jun 2004 :  13:16:35  Show Profile  Visit Richard Lee Byers's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Dargoth: In my opinion, the Rage is not compaable to a permanent Confusion spell, because a Confusion spell could make a dragon do things (run away from a foe, attack a dragon ally in preference to human prey) that the Rage would never do. And vice versa.
rumblebelly:My depiction of Triel is essentially based on the Peter Principle. In case you're not familiar with that idea, it's the notion that successful leaders and managers are likely to rise, win promotion, etc., until ultimately, they reach a position where the demands of the job exceeds their talents.
Why did I choose to depict her that way? To enhance the plot. Dissolution's about Menzoberranzan in crisis. The crisis is that much more serious if the boss is having trouble coping.
Is what I did consistent with what RAS had done with the character before me? Well, that's something that every reader can legitimately decide for himself. But for what it's worth, I'll offer up my standard Dissolution defense: RAS was the consulting editor on the book. He approved everything you see in the published version.
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rumblebelly
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Posted - 12 Jun 2004 :  15:07:20  Show Profile  Visit rumblebelly's Homepage Send rumblebelly a Private Message  Reply with Quote
you're right
if Triel was a strong matron as her mother
there would be no such rivalry between Gromph and Quenthel
over the decisions of the throne

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norticus
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Posted - 12 Jun 2004 :  15:15:17  Show Profile  Visit norticus's Homepage Send norticus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Triel herself says "i didnt have to think about the subject, my advisors will take care of it."
she doesnt take and want any responsibilities
what a wonderful leader... :)
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 12 Jun 2004 :  16:07:10  Show Profile  Visit SiriusBlack's Homepage Send SiriusBlack a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lee Byers
My depiction of Triel is essentially based on the Peter Principle. In case you're not familiar with that idea, it's the notion that successful leaders and managers are likely to rise, win promotion, etc., until ultimately, they reach a position where the demands of the job exceeds their talents.



Ah, thank you for giving that notion a name. I've heard it expressed regarding more than one organization, but it was always given a less than flattering nomenclature than the one you just shared.

quote:

Is what I did consistent with what RAS had done with the character before me? Well, that's something that every reader can legitimately decide for himself. But for what it's worth, I'll offer up my standard Dissolution defense: RAS was the consulting editor on the book. He approved everything you see in the published version.



That's something I did not know. Thank you. Am I correct in logically assuming that he is fulfilling this same role with all the other books within the series?

Edited by - SiriusBlack on 12 Jun 2004 16:08:01
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 12 Jun 2004 :  17:32:21  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by rumblebelly

you're right
if Triel was a strong matron as her mother
there would be no such rivalry between Gromph and Quenthel
over the decisions of the throne




Oh, I disagree. Having a strong leader does not mean that everyone will agree with said leader.

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Arivia
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Posted - 12 Jun 2004 :  17:49:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Triel as she was portrayed in Daughter of the Drow would seemingly form a link between the two versions, also.
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Richard Lee Byers
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Posted - 12 Jun 2004 :  20:55:37  Show Profile  Visit Richard Lee Byers's Homepage  Reply with Quote
That's correct, Sirius. Bob is consulting editor on the entire series. (That's what makes it "R. A. Salvatore's War of the Spider Queen."
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rumblebelly
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Posted - 12 Jun 2004 :  21:12:04  Show Profile  Visit rumblebelly's Homepage Send rumblebelly a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lee Byers

That's correct, Sirius. Bob is consulting editor on the entire series. (That's what makes it "R. A. Salvatore's War of the Spider Queen."



which is both proper and commercial at the same time


btw wooly rupert, it's not important to have everyones approval with the said leader, it's important to make everyone obey (and late Matron Baenre was way to succesful in this)

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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 12 Jun 2004 :  22:01:02  Show Profile  Visit SiriusBlack's Homepage Send SiriusBlack a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lee Byers

That's correct, Sirius. Bob is consulting editor on the entire series. (That's what makes it "R. A. Salvatore's War of the Spider Queen."



Thank you for confirming that. I only knew of his work via the original committee before the series started.
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Dargoth
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Posted - 14 Jun 2004 :  14:29:22  Show Profile  Visit Dargoth's Homepage Send Dargoth a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lee Byers

Dargoth: In my opinion, the Rage is not compaable to a permanent Confusion spell, because a Confusion spell could make a dragon do things (run away from a foe, attack a dragon ally in preference to human prey) that the Rage would never do. And vice versa.




hmmm

Sounds like a good topic for a Web Enhancement or Dragon article.......

*Starts poking Rich with a stick*

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Richard Lee Byers
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Posted - 14 Jun 2004 :  19:11:23  Show Profile  Visit Richard Lee Byers's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I dunno, Dargoth. I appreciate your interest, but it seems to me that the thrust of such an article would have to be to define the Rage in terms of game mechanics. And frankly, I don't know that that's doable. Even if it is, I don't know that I myself could do it.
It also seems to me that as far as explaining the Rage apart from game mechanics, I'm already covering that in the fiction. At least I sure hope I am.
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Dargoth
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Posted - 16 Jun 2004 :  13:13:01  Show Profile  Visit Dargoth's Homepage Send Dargoth a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Rich will you be uncovering the true origin of Dracolichs in your series? (Eric and George have pointed out that there where Dracolichs before Sammaster started creating them)

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Richard Lee Byers
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Posted - 16 Jun 2004 :  14:08:32  Show Profile  Visit Richard Lee Byers's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Dargoth: As explained in The Rage, Sammaster invented the process for turning living dragons into dracoliches.
Now, that doesn't mean he was the only guy ever to invent it, or the first guy to invent it (although that's what he believes.) But if there were other discoverers, their stories aren't relevant to the events of the Year of Rogue Dragons, and so I won't be getting into them.
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Dargoth
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Posted - 16 Jun 2004 :  14:13:19  Show Profile  Visit Dargoth's Homepage Send Dargoth a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lee Byers

Dargoth: As explained in The Rage, Sammaster invented the process for turning living dragons into dracoliches.
Now, that doesn't mean he was the only guy ever to invent it, or the first guy to invent it (although that's what he believes.) But if there were other discoverers, their stories aren't relevant to the events of the Year of Rogue Dragons, and so I won't be getting into them.



Hmmm ok

Where discussing it in this thread

http://www.candlekeep.com./forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2383

if your intersted in contributing

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Monsoon28
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Posted - 17 Jun 2004 :  19:54:41  Show Profile  Visit Monsoon28's Homepage Send Monsoon28 a Private Message  Reply with Quote

Hi Richard,

Want to start off stating that i've really enjoyed your writing in the past, and 'The Rage' is no exception.
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I loved the mix of character races (artic dwarf, avariel, half-golem, song dragon, and a vampiric smoke drake!) As well the short story was a great insight into Taegan's background.

One (or two) questions I have is in the upcoming anthology, I understand it as each writer will be covering a different type of dragon, will any gem dragons make the cut, and will one feature either Lareth or Nexus? I just love Gem dragons and always hope for a story about them...maybe a emerald dragon?!

To a earlier post, I believe a avariel was featured in the Azure Bonds novels, but she had had her wings cut off, so no one was aware she was anything other than a elf. Of course its been a long time since I've read the series so I might be thinking of the wrong one.

Thanks again,
P.S. I'm a Canadian and I 'got' your taking the fifth reference.
but that's just me!

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Edited by - Monsoon28 on 17 Jun 2004 23:35:17
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 17 Jun 2004 :  20:01:38  Show Profile  Visit SiriusBlack's Homepage Send SiriusBlack a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Monsoon28
To a earlier post, I believe a avriel was featured in the Azure Bonds novels, but she had had her wings cut off, so no one was aware she was anything other than a elf. Of course its been a long time since I've read the series so I might be thinking of the wrong one.


Some other works featuring Avariel are discussed here. Perhaps some posters within that thread can recall an avariel in the novel you mentioned.
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Richard Lee Byers
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Posted - 17 Jun 2004 :  22:10:55  Show Profile  Visit Richard Lee Byers's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hi, Monsoon28. Thanks for the kind words. It's great to hear you're enjoying my stuff.
I wish I could give you a bunch of information about the anthologies, but as it happens, I'm not the guy who edited them. Phil Athans did. In most cases, I don't know what the various contributors wrote about.
But I can confirm that we each focused on a different kind of dragon, so it's likely that some gem dragons wound up in the mix, and at least conceivable that somebody worked with Lareth or Nexus.
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Monsoon28
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Posted - 17 Jun 2004 :  23:33:51  Show Profile  Visit Monsoon28's Homepage Send Monsoon28 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SiriusBlack
Some other works featuring Avariel are discussed here. Perhaps some posters within that thread can recall an avariel in the novel you mentioned.



Ack! Sorry the Avariel I was thinking about was from, Baldur's Gate2,
gets hard sometimes to keep track!

Richard, thanks for the direction anyway, now I have to hunt down Athans.
@no-one in particular: Btw does Athans do all the Editing for FR novels, it seems like his name is always coming up?

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Krafus
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Posted - 18 Jun 2004 :  00:29:18  Show Profile  Visit Krafus's Homepage  Send Krafus an AOL message Send Krafus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hello, Richard.

I've begun reading The Rage for the third time, and a question leapt at me:


***spoilers***


Why did Kara pick Dorn instead of Pavel to get closer to? I mean, Pavel is physically handsome and, according to Will, made overtures toward Kara. On the other hand, Dorn was rather gruff toward Kara and didn't seem at all interested in her.
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Kameron M. Franklin
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Posted - 18 Jun 2004 :  00:46:48  Show Profile  Visit Kameron M. Franklin's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Monsoon28

@no-one in particular: Btw does Athans do all the Editing for FR novels, it seems like his name is always coming up?



Phil Athans is the Managing Editor for the FR line. Whether that means he personally edits each book, I don't know. I do know WotC has a pool of freelance copy editors, so I doubt Phil goes through each manuscript line by line. Or maybe he does . . .

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Sarta
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I got the impression that Pavel would have hit on anything vaguely female as a reflex, not so much that he was really into her. Besides, we all know that chicks dig big, strong, silent guys carrying around a lot of baggage. They're fixer-uppers who will worship the woman who manages to penetrate their outwardly gruff shell of self-loathing.

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Richard Lee Byers
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Posted - 18 Jun 2004 :  03:46:20  Show Profile  Visit Richard Lee Byers's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Monsoon28: I think Phil edits every FR novel. I'm not absolutely positive about it, though. I do know he edited every one of mine except the first. Lizz Baldwin was my editor on that one, but she's no longer with the company.
Krafus: Despite Dorn's gruff and sour dispostion, he, and not Pavel, is simply the one that Kara felt drawn to. It happens that way sometimes even in real life. I've seen it. Ain't love mysterious?
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Ordin_Solandar
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Posted - 14 Jul 2004 :  20:40:09  Show Profile  Visit Ordin_Solandar's Homepage  Click to see Ordin_Solandar's MSN Messenger address Send Ordin_Solandar a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Greetings Mr Byers I thoroughly enjoyed "Dissolution" from WOTSQ, its tied with "Insurrection" as the best book in the series thus far. I was asking Mr Reid about the character Valas Hune and a descrepency I found between the first and second book:

How is it that Valas Hune could levitate while fighting the hill giant during the uprising in menzo. Yet in the other books they make a specific point in regards to Valas's inability to levitate?

I surmised a technical flaw in the drow makeup: Drizzt in Sojourn levitates to ski down a hill of gold while felling Hapestus the dragon. At that point in time he didn't have a house insignia; a situation similar to Valas's acrobatics on the Giants shoulder. RAS seems to have made a bit of an inequality apparently all drow can levitate for certain periods of time. Its just that they can't get more then a few centimeters for any duration of time without ability modifing insignia.

So if I could have your opinion or view on the matter it would go along way to clarify?

Keep on writeing, really enjoy your deep characters, especially your interpretation of Pharaun!

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Kuje
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quote:
Originally posted by Ordin_Solandar
I surmised a technical flaw in the drow makeup: Drizzt in Sojourn levitates to ski down a hill of gold while felling Hapestus the dragon. At that point in time he didn't have a house insignia; a situation similar to Valas's acrobatics on the Giants shoulder. RAS seems to have made a bit of an inequality apparently all drow can levitate for certain periods of time. Its just that they can't get more then a few centimeters for any duration of time without ability modifing insignia.



I'm not Mr Byers, but you are looking at this through 3E's version of the drow. See in 1e and 2e drow DIDN'T need an insignia to levitate. It was in innate power of a drow, but 3e removed those powers from the base drow so they had to come up with an in game reason. Hence the insignia's. So RAS continues to write from the 1e and 2e rules since he doesn't want to change his drow character after 12+ books.

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