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Krafus
Learned Scribe

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Posted - 16 Apr 2004 :  14:10:27  Show Profile  Visit Krafus's Homepage  Send Krafus an AOL message Send Krafus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
*looks at previous two posts and feels somewhat ashamed*

Err... I also love fluff... Please forgive me for enjoying a bit of crunch now and then.
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Richard Lee Byers
Forgotten Realms Author

USA
1763 Posts

Posted - 16 Apr 2004 :  16:47:20  Show Profile  Visit Richard Lee Byers's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Sirius: You're more than welcome. Thank you for taking a chance on my stuff, and for giving me your feedback.
Krafus: Nothing to feel ashamed about. There's a place for fluff and crunch both. I too find it interesting to see how fictional characters stat out, when somebody's gone to the trouble to do it. I just don't find the exercise useful in terms of my own personal wriitng process, for the reasons I alluded to before. But that certainly doesn't mean there's anything wrong with it.
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Proc
Seeker

Canada
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Posted - 17 Apr 2004 :  21:16:45  Show Profile  Visit Proc's Homepage  Click to see Proc's MSN Messenger address Send Proc a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I had a small question for Mr. Byers,

MINOR SPOILER WARNING....








I just started to read The Rage, and I've enjoyed it greatly so far. But what I wanted to know was, what made you decide to depict a Black Dragon flicking it's forked tongue in and out of it's mouth? (During the attack on Ylraphon) I had never thought of any dragon having a forked tongue, nor needing to "taste" the air in order to smell...

In any event, it's a very minor point, and it's been a great read so far.

"May the forces of evil become confused on the way to your house."
- George Carlin
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BobROE
Learned Scribe

Canada
106 Posts

Posted - 18 Apr 2004 :  00:17:45  Show Profile  Visit BobROE's Homepage Send BobROE a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Proc

I had a small question for Mr. Byers,

MINOR SPOILER WARNING....








I just started to read The Rage, and I've enjoyed it greatly so far. But what I wanted to know was, what made you decide to depict a Black Dragon flicking it's forked tongue in and out of it's mouth? (During the attack on Ylraphon) I had never thought of any dragon having a forked tongue, nor needing to "taste" the air in order to smell...

In any event, it's a very minor point, and it's been a great read so far.



Well I can't comment on the tasteing of the air. But in the Draconomicon Black Dragons have forked tongues.
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Richard Lee Byers
Forgotten Realms Author

USA
1763 Posts

Posted - 18 Apr 2004 :  02:48:34  Show Profile  Visit Richard Lee Byers's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Proc: Glad you're enjoying the book so far. As Bob notes (thanks for backing me up, Bob), black dragons do have forked tongues according to the source material. As far as the tongue being involved with the dragon's sense of smell, unless I'm mistaken (gee, I hope I'm not), this is true of some real-world reptiles, so it made sense to me to extrapolate that it could be true of dragons as well.
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Shadowlord
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USA
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Posted - 18 Apr 2004 :  02:56:24  Show Profile  Visit Shadowlord's Homepage  Send Shadowlord an AOL message Send Shadowlord a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Spoiler for The Rage: Please Highlight Area Below
I finished the Rage quite a while ago, but just found time to post on your thread. I find it interesting that the elves laid a mythal causing all dragons to Rage. What was your initial thought on including this in your novel? If High Elven Magic is able to accomplish so much, could it not be possible that there are other such mythals that exist, changing other races on Faerūn? If a group of elves were spiteful towards humans, could such a group (and yes, many elves still have this view about humans) create a mythal that subtly changed humans? Lastly, if such a mythal was created on Evermeet, could it possibly be as powerful, or maybe even more so?
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Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions, Rich (or Mr. Byers, or Richard, whatever you prefer ).

The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri.
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Richard Lee Byers
Forgotten Realms Author

USA
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Posted - 18 Apr 2004 :  04:52:38  Show Profile  Visit Richard Lee Byers's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hi, Shadowlord. "Richard" is good. Now to address your questions after a

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My initial thoughts concerning the enchantment that produced the Rage? Well (and I hope this is what you're asking about, because it's the only way I know to answer), they were involved with resolving plot issues. The story had to explain the Rage, and the explanation had to justify the idea that Sammaster could seize control of the phenomenon. The blame-the-ancient-elves explanation that I came up with (with help from some of the WotC folks) met the requirements, and is also (I hope) interesting.
If the ancient elves could put the whammy on all dragon-kind, could have they hexed other races? Logic would suggest that it's possible. But it didn't happen as far as we know, and, of course, WotC would have to okay the idea for it to be "revealed" in any future products, be they fiction or sourcebooks.
Me, I'd rather think that the creation of the Rage was a truly unique event, but that's just my preference.
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Kuje
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Posted - 18 Apr 2004 :  05:08:35  Show Profile  Send Kuje an AOL message  Click to see Kuje's MSN Messenger address  Send Kuje a Yahoo! Message Send Kuje a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well if the elves could seal away the two genies in Calimshan and also seal away Moander, I can buy that they could have done that to the Dragons. :) Now if it came out of the blue it would have shattered my suspension of belief, but there are examples of the power High Magic once had.

For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird

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Edited by - Kuje on 18 Apr 2004 05:09:26
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Krafus
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Posted - 18 Apr 2004 :  15:58:38  Show Profile  Visit Krafus's Homepage  Send Krafus an AOL message Send Krafus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I've come up with two more questions...

1) Will we learn how Sammaster was brought back to unlife? His phylactery wasn't found after his defeat in 1285, which explains how he could return, but even so I'd like to know just how it happened this time around.

2) Is Cylla Morieth kin to Aeron Morieth, the half-elf shadow mage (N male half-elf Wiz13/Sha3 - see p. 183 of FRCS)?
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore

USA
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Posted - 18 Apr 2004 :  16:35:58  Show Profile  Visit Shadowlord's Homepage  Send Shadowlord an AOL message Send Shadowlord a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lee Byers

Hi, Shadowlord. "Richard" is good.


Right then. Richard it is. Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions, though it does sadden me to know that the "Rage Mythal" is a one of a kind. It could have held some very interesting campaign opportunities...

The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri.
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Richard Lee Byers
Forgotten Realms Author

USA
1763 Posts

Posted - 18 Apr 2004 :  19:14:12  Show Profile  Visit Richard Lee Byers's Homepage  Reply with Quote
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Krafus: At present, I have no specific plans to explain Sammaster's return from death anymore than I have already. (Maybe I'm too much of a comic-book fan; in comics, when a villain returns from seeming death, sometimes the writers don't bother to explain how he cheated the reaper, and I guess you could say I'm likely to follow that example.) If, in the course of writing the rest of the trilogy, I reach a point where such an explanation would enhance the story as opposed to breaking the flow, I might toss it in. If not, well, you know who Sam is, what a lich is, and what a phylactery is. I'll bet you can imagine half a dozen scenarios that would account for his return.
Are Cyll and Aeron Morieth kin? Not as far as I know.
Shadowlord: Please, don't let me cramp your style. If you want there to be other mythals comparable to the one responsible for the Rage, then you shouldn't have any qualms about including them in your game. In your campaign (if you're the DM), you decide what's true, right?
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Shadowlord
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USA
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Posted - 18 Apr 2004 :  19:19:32  Show Profile  Visit Shadowlord's Homepage  Send Shadowlord an AOL message Send Shadowlord a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lee Byers

Shadowlord: Please, don't let me cramp your style. If you want there to be other mythals comparable to the one responsible for the Rage, then you shouldn't have any qualms about including them in your game. In your campaign (if you're the DM), you decide what's true, right?


Ah, yes, but I wasn't actually thinking of creating one. I was merely asking if another such mythal existed, and whether or not their location is known. You are not in any way "cramping my style", Richard, so don't worry about it.

The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri.
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Krafus
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Posted - 21 Apr 2004 :  14:02:08  Show Profile  Visit Krafus's Homepage  Send Krafus an AOL message Send Krafus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Was rereading Lords of Darkness and came up with a question for you... Will we see the Well of Dragons and Naergoth Bladelord somewhere in the series? A Naergoth vs. Dorn fight would be awesome.
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Richard Lee Byers
Forgotten Realms Author

USA
1763 Posts

Posted - 21 Apr 2004 :  14:33:07  Show Profile  Visit Richard Lee Byers's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Krafus: Sorry, but I'm going to take the Fifth. I'm trying hard not to give away the plots of the books before they come out.
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Krafus
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Posted - 21 Apr 2004 :  16:22:33  Show Profile  Visit Krafus's Homepage  Send Krafus an AOL message Send Krafus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I don't understand the Fifth reference, but I do understand why you don't want to spill the beans too early.
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Richard Lee Byers
Forgotten Realms Author

USA
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Posted - 21 Apr 2004 :  16:47:59  Show Profile  Visit Richard Lee Byers's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Krafus: "Take the Fifth" as in, invoke my Fifth Amendment right not to incriminate myself. In this context, a colloquialism meaning, simply, I'm not going to answer.
Has that expression fallen out of common usage? Man, I feel old sometimes.
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Shadowlord
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Posted - 21 Apr 2004 :  17:38:52  Show Profile  Visit Shadowlord's Homepage  Send Shadowlord an AOL message Send Shadowlord a Private Message  Reply with Quote
No, I understood what you meant. As a scribe, I am well-versed in forgotten lore. Seriously though, my family sometimes does use the expression.

The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri.
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Kuje
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Posted - 21 Apr 2004 :  18:19:05  Show Profile  Send Kuje an AOL message  Click to see Kuje's MSN Messenger address  Send Kuje a Yahoo! Message Send Kuje a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lee Byers

Krafus: "Take the Fifth" as in, invoke my Fifth Amendment right not to incriminate myself. In this context, a colloquialism meaning, simply, I'm not going to answer.
Has that expression fallen out of common usage? Man, I feel old sometimes.



Nah, I knew what you meant as well. But then maybe those outside of the States haven't heard that before. :)

For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird

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Krafus
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Posted - 21 Apr 2004 :  18:31:20  Show Profile  Visit Krafus's Homepage  Send Krafus an AOL message Send Krafus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Has that expression fallen out of common usage? Man, I feel old sometimes.


No need for you to feel old. Kuje has the correct explanation: I'm not from the US (I'm Canadian, to be exact).
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Maskanodel
Seeker

Canada
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Posted - 22 Apr 2004 :  01:16:37  Show Profile  Visit Maskanodel's Homepage  Click to see Maskanodel's MSN Messenger address Send Maskanodel a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Richard
Just how much do you rely on sourcebooks when you're writing? I've read some authors works where it seems like they tok monsters sraight from the Monster Manuals and inserted them into their novels. Do you find yourself doing this or do you try to steer away from it?? And finally, did the Draconomicon play a big role in writing The Year of Rogue Dragons?

Thanks
Maskanodel

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Richard Lee Byers
Forgotten Realms Author

USA
1763 Posts

Posted - 22 Apr 2004 :  03:50:39  Show Profile  Visit Richard Lee Byers's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Krafus: Oh, okay. Cultural differences. I much prefer that to thinking of myself as a geezer.
Maskanodel: I use the sourcebooks extensively, as they define the universe I'm writing about. What I don't use is the ideas that, in my opinion, simply exist to create a playable game system, and don't describe the FR in any way that's relevant to fiction writing. In other words, characters don't have hit points, discrete experience levels, belong to rigidly defined classes, etc.
So I guess you could say I use a lot of the fluff and some of the crunch.
I did (and am using) Draconomicon quite a bit to write The Year of Rogue Dragons.
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Sarta
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USA
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Posted - 23 Apr 2004 :  06:02:37  Show Profile Send Sarta a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Being an outsider to the workings of novel writing for WotC, I have a couple of questions. At the onset of the project were you encouraged to extensively make use of Races of Faerun? Or did you decide to do so yourself? I really liked the way that you incorporated info from it into the Rage. I guess I'm just curious as to how intentionally the novels advertise the newer source books.

Sarta
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Richard Lee Byers
Forgotten Realms Author

USA
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Posted - 23 Apr 2004 :  14:11:10  Show Profile  Visit Richard Lee Byers's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Sarta: Nope, nobody encouraged me to make extensive use of Races of Faerūn. It just worked out that way.
You see, one thing I wanted to do in the trilogy was feature some character-types that hadn't gotten a lot of exposure in other people's fiction. RoF had the info I needed to do that.
Anyway, to date, nobody at WotC has ever suggested writing any story in a way that showcases the material in a particular sourcebook. When they hired me to do the dragon trilogy, hey made sure I had an advance copy of Draconomicon, but, I think, that was just because they assumed it would be useful to me. And it certainly has been.
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Sarta
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USA
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Posted - 24 Apr 2004 :  01:59:25  Show Profile Send Sarta a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lee Byers

Sarta: Nope, nobody encouraged me to make extensive use of Races of Faerūn. It just worked out that way.
You see, one thing I wanted to do in the trilogy was feature some character-types that hadn't gotten a lot of exposure in other people's fiction. RoF had the info I needed to do that.
Anyway, to date, nobody at WotC has ever suggested writing any story in a way that showcases the material in a particular sourcebook. When they hired me to do the dragon trilogy, hey made sure I had an advance copy of Draconomicon, but, I think, that was just because they assumed it would be useful to me. And it certainly has been.



That's very encouraging to hear. I really think that the Rage goes a long way toward helping people interested in playing some of the non-standard races from RoF. It is one thing to read a stat block and another thing completely to see it in action. I know that in the last couple of weeks I have seen a surge in interest in Avariels on this board and the WotC boards. I wouldn't at all be surprised to find out that the Rage helped inspire this.

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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore

Canada
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Posted - 27 Apr 2004 :  08:48:35  Show Profile  Click to see Purple Dragon Knight's MSN Messenger address Send Purple Dragon Knight a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Not a question, just a comment.

I just picked up Dissolution (I know, I'm late doing this because I usually don't like to read about evil characters, but boy was I surprised here!! )

I just want to say that the novel is awesome so far (I'm around p.120, where Pharaun cleverly dodges Ryld on the circumstances of their alliance for the venture at hand... You can practically cut the tension with a knife when the mage does not want to get a rise out of the big fighter, the natural instincts kicking in when faced to a potential foe that is much bigger than you despite the fact that you have a gun/knife/something to give you the edge, in this case, Pharaun's arcane magic... )

In short, I want to thank you and congratulate you on writing this novel with such a clear and concise style... Your style does not keep me guessing: it is precise. Let the plot development surprise me: not the writing!! For that, I thank you, and I also praise you! You have managed to hook me back into "that drow thing", even after I had previously become jaded with the genre.
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