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Darkmeer
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Posted - 24 Dec 2016 :  05:03:45  Show Profile  Visit Darkmeer's Homepage Send Darkmeer a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I've wandered the thread, and I very much appreciate all the work you've put into this. Excellent work, and, please, do continue!

"These people are my family, not just friends, and if you want to get to them you gotta go through ME."
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AuldDragon
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Posted - 25 Dec 2016 :  07:37:09  Show Profile  Visit AuldDragon's Homepage Send AuldDragon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Darkmeer

I've wandered the thread, and I very much appreciate all the work you've put into this. Excellent work, and, please, do continue!



Thanks! I have no plans of stopping, although I can usually only get one finished per month. Keep an eye on the thread in a week for a new entry!

Jeff

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AuldDragon
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Posted - 01 Jan 2017 :  07:15:15  Show Profile  Visit AuldDragon's Homepage Send AuldDragon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Io the Ninefold Dragon: http://bit.ly/2iuNgmv

Wrapping up the draconic deities is the creator of all dragonkind himself, Io. Much like Annam, he is said to be the creator of the universe, wherein other deities have built their own worlds and own races. He is an experimental deity, tweaking dracoform species and their environments in order to produce unique combinations. Despite his experimentality, he is not a particularly active deity, preferring watching to interfering.

Jeff

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Darkmeer
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Posted - 01 Jan 2017 :  19:39:26  Show Profile  Visit Darkmeer's Homepage Send Darkmeer a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Excellent writeup on Io, AuldDragon! That's a lot of work to get that right, and I think you did a most excellent job!

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AuldDragon
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Posted - 01 Jan 2017 :  20:06:18  Show Profile  Visit AuldDragon's Homepage Send AuldDragon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks, I appreciate it! :D

Jeff

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Elren_Wolfsbane
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Posted - 01 Jan 2017 :  20:40:57  Show Profile Send Elren_Wolfsbane a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks AuldDragon for this treasure trove of information. I've always wondered about other monster Pantheons.

Aa' lasser en`coialle n`natula brown.

(May the leaves of your life tree never turn brown)

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AuldDragon
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Posted - 03 Jan 2017 :  06:39:15  Show Profile  Visit AuldDragon's Homepage Send AuldDragon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Elren_Wolfsbane

Thanks AuldDragon for this treasure trove of information. I've always wondered about other monster Pantheons.



Thanks, glad you like them!

Jeff

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AuldDragon
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Posted - 02 Feb 2017 :  03:33:20  Show Profile  Visit AuldDragon's Homepage Send AuldDragon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Koriel the Vigilant: http://bit.ly/2kszfGg

Koriel is the patron of the ki-rin and t’uen-rin, as well as other powerful paragons of law and good. He is a wandering power, constantly working to foil the forces of evil throughout the outer planes, while sending his followers to face evil on the Prime Material Plane. He has only a small number of humanoid followers, who look to Koriel as a model of their behavior.

I’ve also revised my previous Jazirian entry and added a shamanistic humanoid cult: http://bit.ly/1UmSlo6

Jeff

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AuldDragon
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Posted - 01 Mar 2017 :  18:44:32  Show Profile  Visit AuldDragon's Homepage Send AuldDragon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Anguileusis the Abiding One: http://bit.ly/2lcZsdz

Anguileusis is the imprisoned patron deity of the Anguiliians, eel-like deep sea humanoids with some sort of connection to Sahuagin. The Anguiliians were first presented in the product Sea Devils, but there wasn’t a great deal about them in that book; they received more details in the last of the adventures that accompanied that product, Sea of Blood, which also introduced their imprisoned patron. Anguileusis can be used in a time-traveling campaign, or he could be released through the above-mentioned adventure.

Jeff

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KanzenAU
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Posted - 01 Mar 2017 :  23:30:10  Show Profile Send KanzenAU a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Great work as always.

I don't know if you take requests, but I'm quite interested to read your Diirinka write-up when you get to him. Admittedly it's purely because it's one of the few deities that made it into the monster list in Faiths and Pantheons that we know little about - it's not for a game or anything, so hardly a matter of urgency.

Keep up the good work!

Regional maps for Waterdeep, Triboar, Ardeep Forest, and Cormyr on DM's Guild, plus a campaign sized map for the North
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AuldDragon
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Posted - 02 Mar 2017 :  03:37:48  Show Profile  Visit AuldDragon's Homepage Send AuldDragon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks, glad you're enjoying them! Right now I'm working through "sections," since it is easier for me to focus on certain themes and play off of existing alliances and such, so Diirinka is a ways off, sadly.

Jeff

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AuldDragon
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Posted - 02 Apr 2017 :  18:49:33  Show Profile  Visit AuldDragon's Homepage Send AuldDragon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Surminare the Selkie Queen: http://bit.ly/2nsA7cU

Surminare is the peaceful and gentle goddess of the selkies. She is a member of the asathalfinare, the loose alliance of aquatic deities headed by Deep Sashelas. She is not a warrior, but fights bravely to defend those she loves.

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Markustay
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Posted - 02 Apr 2017 :  19:26:23  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
And now you have me singing 'Selkie Queen' to the tune of ABBA's 'Dancing Queen'.

Love all the stuff you are doing here, BTW.

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AuldDragon
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Posted - 02 Apr 2017 :  19:41:10  Show Profile  Visit AuldDragon's Homepage Send AuldDragon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

And now you have me singing 'Selkie Queen' to the tune of ABBA's 'Dancing Queen'.

Love all the stuff you are doing here, BTW.



I take no responsibility for earworms. :D

Jeff

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TomCosta
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Posted - 03 Apr 2017 :  13:09:01  Show Profile Send TomCosta a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Jeff, great stuff as always. Don't know why I didn't think of this sooner, but if you are interested in the power range sheet we worked off of for writing Demihuman Deities, I can send you that. Just ping me with your email address. Tom
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AuldDragon
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Posted - 03 Apr 2017 :  17:58:48  Show Profile  Visit AuldDragon's Homepage Send AuldDragon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by TomCosta

Jeff, great stuff as always. Don't know why I didn't think of this sooner, but if you are interested in the power range sheet we worked off of for writing Demihuman Deities, I can send you that. Just ping me with your email address. Tom



That would be awesome! I'll send you a PM shortly, thanks!

Jeff

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sleyvas
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Posted - 03 Apr 2017 :  22:54:54  Show Profile Send sleyvas a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Aulddragon,

I've loved this project since you've started it. I'm especially glad for this link where I can keep track of what you've done

http://blog.aulddragon.com/monster-mythology-update/

I'm particularly interested in some of the ones that you haven't done yet, and I'm wondering if you have sources for where the names came from in the first place. In particular, the centaur deities have kind of caught my eye.

BTW, I could have sworn you did Cegilune and the Seelie already?? Maybe I'm losing it.

Alavairthae, may your skill prevail

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AuldDragon
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Posted - 04 Apr 2017 :  07:30:59  Show Profile  Visit AuldDragon's Homepage Send AuldDragon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by sleyvas

Aulddragon,

I've loved this project since you've started it. I'm especially glad for this link where I can keep track of what you've done

http://blog.aulddragon.com/monster-mythology-update/

I'm particularly interested in some of the ones that you haven't done yet, and I'm wondering if you have sources for where the names came from in the first place. In particular, the centaur deities have kind of caught my eye.


Of those, Chitza-Atlan is from the adventure C1 Hidden Shrine of Tamoachan, where a mummified centaur was described as the "remains of a sacred offspring of Chitza-Atlan," who is the guardian of the gateway to the underworld. There really weren't any further details, but it was listed as a deity in the list of deities available for the Living Greyhawk campaign through the RPGA. Kheiron is from Greek mythology, the centaur who taught Hercules and many other heroes. His Latinized name is Chiron. Brilros, Fanthros, Linroth, and Naharra are from an article on centaurs in Dragon 103:

"Centaurs also have various minor deities and demi-deities of their own. These include Naharra (goddess of fertility and love), Fanthros (god of the sky and weather), Brilros and his sister Linroth (twin demi-deities of strength and speed), and others concerned with health, singing, cattle, and other important aspects of centaur life."

Krocaa is from Dragon 124; I will probably make him into Syranita's mate, who is a deity of hunting.

Klikral is the god of the insectare, an elf-like insectoid race from Spelljammer.

Ilxendren and Piscaethces (The Blood Queen) are from Night Below and Drizzt Do'Urden's Guide to the Underdark (you're probably aware of that, but I figured I'd mention it just in case).

There's also some deities that I'm almost certainly going to do that aren't in that list (as Anguileusis wasn't): Cador the dwarven god of revenge (Dungeon #2, Caermor); the dozen or so lesser elven deities from multiple Dragon magazines (Darahl Firecloak, Sarula Iliene, etc.); the Neogi pantheon (Dragon 214, which may come earlier than I planned since I'm now running a Spelljammer campaign on Twitch); various demons (Shami-Amourae, Orcus, etc.); the Mantis God of the Eternal Lotus (Spelljamming Thri-kreen); etc. There's also some nameless deities (such as those of grippli and grung, kercpa, etc.), the dracon pantheon, the grommam pantheon, the "savage" gods of Al-Qadim, Ravanna of the Rakshasas, etc. that I might do as well.

So much to do! :)

quote:
Originally posted by sleyvas

BTW, I could have sworn you did Cegilune and the Seelie already?? Maybe I'm losing it.



Nope, only Fionghualla. I've popped into some discussions here about Cegilune, though.

Jeff

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sleyvas
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Posted - 04 Apr 2017 :  13:23:43  Show Profile Send sleyvas a Private Message  Reply with Quote
now that you mention it, I was just looking for deities for the bullywugs/grippli/sivs/grung/froghemoth people that I'm putting in Katashaka. I had come up with the following to use with them, but if you know of more???


Frog Folk (bullywugs,grippli, grung, sivs, etc...
Ramenos (monster mythology) - wants sacrifices
Azul - Maztican rain god,
Nula - Maztica animals
Heqet - Egyptian variation of Hathor with a froghead


I'm using Hathor across a lot of these animal cultures, as I found she appeared throughout their religion as slightly different names with different animal heads (Nekhbet was vulture headed... using for my stork and vulture folk, Heqet was frog headed, Hathor was cow headed and using for my yak folk and minotaurs). I'm going with the idea that she and Ptah were here long before the Mulan peoples were dragged here, and that's why she didn't have a royal family and incarnation (much like Mask didn't either, but he was part of the pantheon)

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Markustay
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Posted - 04 Apr 2017 :  19:57:31  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
You just made me think of something that pertains to a back-burner type of deific question I've purposely been avoiding tackling with my 'Theory of Everything' (Unified Mythology). The question is, "Why aren't the 'beast lord' types more powerful?" True, most of their 'flock' aren't the worshiping types, but they are so universal - so spread throughout the multiverse, one would think they'd still be at least greater gods. Think of the shear number of insects there must be!

But now you made me think of something else - ASPECTS. They ARE that powerful... but they keep splitting. Baast and Asl... err.. Nobanion both have 'cats' (aside from a bunch of other stuff), and we have a couple of other feline deities around Toril, but they are for specific groups/ (Nobanion I would imagine *might* be the 'Lord of Beasts' and actually be THE archtype feline god... but I would think he cared more about large predators as opposed to domestic cats, as Baast would be). So I'm thinking every time a sub-species breaks-off from the main species (which happens all the time), a new 'species Overmind' forms and creates the separate aspect. Thinking creatures like humans make a conscious decision about who or what to worship, or even whether to have faith in anything at all. But animals don't have that luxury - they have a very basic 'us & them' mentality when it comes to other creatures, and thus, their 'gods' would have the same simplistic paradigm. The moment one group starts to think of itself as something different than the main group, this happens automatically, and completely subconsciously (since beasts wouldn't put any thought into it what-so-ever).

So suppose Nobanion is the 'Big Cheese' in the cat world. It would make some sense, considering who we know he really is. That would make him uber-powerful... except every time a new sub-species of cat appears - across the board (and across untold myriad worlds), a little piece of him 'breaks off' and goes its separate way. Now, on some level these are all self-aware avatars of the god, and I suppose there may be some way to force all of them to return (although I think once ANY of them begins to get intelligent worshipers - which may be why they do it - it becomes much harder to 'reel them in', so to speak), but for all intents and purposes they become separate deities as far as most of the universe is concerned. So what this does is create a never-ending cycle of attrition for these animal archtypes - they would indeed be more powerful than human(ish) gods, except that they have hundreds - perhaps thousands - of aspects all operating independently of them. Its basically like having a super-computer, and the archtype would be a single program that would run amazing on its own, except you are also running ten thousand other apps in the background, which sucks all the 'power' right out of the system. I think something along these lines is precisely what happened to the World Serpent.

And its because you were talking about your version of Hathor being multi-aspected with different heads that I got this idea. And he/it would have the big problem of having some intelligent worshipers, making all those aspects far more independent than they would have otherwise been (the difference between a normal avatar, and one of those self-aware, 'Manifestations' like we have down in The Old Empires). This would also make the power of animal archtypes inversely proportionate to the animal animal itself - strong, powerful, majestic creatures are far more likely to gain 'beast cult' status then say, ladybugs. Thus, those more powerful/beautiful creatures would have their aspects splintered the most (as in the case of felines). Nnuuurrrr'C'C (King of Insects from the Melnibonean mythos), on the other hand, probably doesn't have much of a problem with people worshiping his individual aspects. True, you do get the occasional group worshiping a giant centipede, and then there are all the bee and antfolk around, but for the most part, he gets to keep much of his power (unlike his cousin spider-guy, who has one of the worse cases of multiple-personality disorder in the cosmos, plus he has to contend with so many real gods -and archfiends - stealing his thunder).

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AuldDragon
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Posted - 05 Apr 2017 :  06:03:05  Show Profile  Visit AuldDragon's Homepage Send AuldDragon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by sleyvas

now that you mention it, I was just looking for deities for the bullywugs/grippli/sivs/grung/froghemoth people that I'm putting in Katashaka. I had come up with the following to use with them, but if you know of more???


Frog Folk (bullywugs,grippli, grung, sivs, etc...
Ramenos (monster mythology) - wants sacrifices
Azul - Maztican rain god,
Nula - Maztica animals
Heqet - Egyptian variation of Hathor with a froghead


I'm using Hathor across a lot of these animal cultures, as I found she appeared throughout their religion as slightly different names with different animal heads (Nekhbet was vulture headed... using for my stork and vulture folk, Heqet was frog headed, Hathor was cow headed and using for my yak folk and minotaurs). I'm going with the idea that she and Ptah were here long before the Mulan peoples were dragged here, and that's why she didn't have a royal family and incarnation (much like Mask didn't either, but he was part of the pantheon)


Froghemoths aren't intelligent enough to worship anything, but I think they have a connection with Ramenos. Possibly, in the past when he was more active, he created them as a prime servitor. That's all my own idea, rather than based on anything published on them. Also, another amphibian race that could be included are advanced blindheims (common members are animal intelligence); they're said to mostly worship slaadi though.

The grippli and the grung likely worship different deities, given their different outlooks (and the grippli have a pantheon that includes evil snake gods and spider goddesses). For some information on grippli religion, check the adventure Trial of the Frog, Dungeon Magazine #78, pg.60. Haven't seen too much about the Grung's deity, unfortunately. While certainly possible that Grung worship Ramenos, I feel that generally a race described as a specific alignment are often that alignment because of the influence of their deity. That's also why I resist having the lawful neutral spider-like k'r'r'r from Spelljammer worship Lolth. I like the grippli and the grung having their own deities as well because it makes a remnant "amphibian pantheon" more viable, regardless of whether they are connected in any given campaign. My issue right now is naming them--to my knowledge, they're totally unnamed. Ideally, I prefer to pull names from canon, but have seen none in my research.

Laogzed of the troglodytes appears as a disgusting toad/reptile cross (but the reptile elements are stronger than the amphibian), so he could work as an amphibian deity.

I can see amphibian-related deities of human pantheons as imports, especially if they fill societal niches, but I don't think they'd be native. Being associated with a type of creature (i.e. frogs, cats, birds, etc.) shouldn't be seen as a sign they are a deity worshipped by those types of creatures in my opinion. I tend to like non-humans having their own unique deities whenever possible. Regarding Heqet, her association with Hathor is fairly late in Egyptian mythology; I'd tend to keep such deities separate in my own works.

The only other amphibian-like deity I'm familiar with is Wastri, from Greyhawk. He's a human deity, though, and his toad-like form and nature are because his belief in the supremacy of humans twisted him into that form. He is worshipped by bullywugs, though.

It's quite unfortunate that there's such a major lack of amphibian deities.

Jeff

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AuldDragon
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Posted - 05 Apr 2017 :  06:42:02  Show Profile  Visit AuldDragon's Homepage Send AuldDragon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

You just made me think of something that pertains to a back-burner type of deific question I've purposely been avoiding tackling with my 'Theory of Everything' (Unified Mythology). The question is, "Why aren't the 'beast lord' types more powerful?" True, most of their 'flock' aren't the worshiping types, but they are so universal - so spread throughout the multiverse, one would think they'd still be at least greater gods. Think of the shear number of insects there must be!


Are you referring to the animal lords of the Beastlands? I think it's a misconception to see them as divine. I would treat them as more akin to the eladrins, guardinals, and non-lord tanar'ri and baatezu. They're powerful and archetypical, but mortal. Any time one dies, another one of the regular creatures on the plane is elevated to be the new animal lord, and I suspect some die relatively frequently (i.e. the prey animals), while the predator and megafauna herbivore lords die relatively rarely (usually in conflicts with visitors to the plane or some such).

Sometimes one or another gets a big head and starts to gather worshippers, but they would be limited to 1st and 2nd level spells from their own faith and belief until they become widespread enough to elevate the animal lord to true godhood (which would usually cause a new animal lord to spawn on the beastlands). I think this is actually the likely origin of Gorellik, the former primary gnoll god, given the noted lack of a creation myth that involves him. Its possible Nobanion was once an animal lord, and Varae, but I would need some convincing. Other deities I could see having been animal lords are Trishina, Remnis, and Sekolah, although they shouldn't all be (just having animal traits or an animal form shouldn't be seen as an automatic connection to/origin from the animal lords, IMO).

Jeff

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sleyvas
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quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

You just made me think of something that pertains to a back-burner type of deific question I've purposely been avoiding tackling with my 'Theory of Everything' (Unified Mythology). The question is, "Why aren't the 'beast lord' types more powerful?" True, most of their 'flock' aren't the worshiping types, but they are so universal - so spread throughout the multiverse, one would think they'd still be at least greater gods. Think of the shear number of insects there must be!

But now you made me think of something else - ASPECTS. They ARE that powerful... but they keep splitting. Baast and Asl... err.. Nobanion both have 'cats' (aside from a bunch of other stuff), and we have a couple of other feline deities around Toril, but they are for specific groups/ (Nobanion I would imagine *might* be the 'Lord of Beasts' and actually be THE archtype feline god... but I would think he cared more about large predators as opposed to domestic cats, as Baast would be). So I'm thinking every time a sub-species breaks-off from the main species (which happens all the time), a new 'species Overmind' forms and creates the separate aspect. Thinking creatures like humans make a conscious decision about who or what to worship, or even whether to have faith in anything at all. But animals don't have that luxury - they have a very basic 'us & them' mentality when it comes to other creatures, and thus, their 'gods' would have the same simplistic paradigm. The moment one group starts to think of itself as something different than the main group, this happens automatically, and completely subconsciously (since beasts wouldn't put any thought into it what-so-ever).

So suppose Nobanion is the 'Big Cheese' in the cat world. It would make some sense, considering who we know he really is. That would make him uber-powerful... except every time a new sub-species of cat appears - across the board (and across untold myriad worlds), a little piece of him 'breaks off' and goes its separate way. Now, on some level these are all self-aware avatars of the god, and I suppose there may be some way to force all of them to return (although I think once ANY of them begins to get intelligent worshipers - which may be why they do it - it becomes much harder to 'reel them in', so to speak), but for all intents and purposes they become separate deities as far as most of the universe is concerned. So what this does is create a never-ending cycle of attrition for these animal archtypes - they would indeed be more powerful than human(ish) gods, except that they have hundreds - perhaps thousands - of aspects all operating independently of them. Its basically like having a super-computer, and the archtype would be a single program that would run amazing on its own, except you are also running ten thousand other apps in the background, which sucks all the 'power' right out of the system. I think something along these lines is precisely what happened to the World Serpent.

And its because you were talking about your version of Hathor being multi-aspected with different heads that I got this idea. And he/it would have the big problem of having some intelligent worshipers, making all those aspects far more independent than they would have otherwise been (the difference between a normal avatar, and one of those self-aware, 'Manifestations' like we have down in The Old Empires). This would also make the power of animal archtypes inversely proportionate to the animal animal itself - strong, powerful, majestic creatures are far more likely to gain 'beast cult' status then say, ladybugs. Thus, those more powerful/beautiful creatures would have their aspects splintered the most (as in the case of felines). Nnuuurrrr'C'C (King of Insects from the Melnibonean mythos), on the other hand, probably doesn't have much of a problem with people worshiping his individual aspects. True, you do get the occasional group worshiping a giant centipede, and then there are all the bee and antfolk around, but for the most part, he gets to keep much of his power (unlike his cousin spider-guy, who has one of the worse cases of multiple-personality disorder in the cosmos, plus he has to contend with so many real gods -and archfiends - stealing his thunder).



Yeah, the more I've played with Hathor... the more I like her as playing alias as a mother goddess to a lot of things. I also prefer her as a primordial who is playing at goddess. I picture her as being the original Audumbla (sp?) from Norse Mythology (the great cow that fed Ymir from her teats). I've even adopted her as the true face of Bhalla in the Rashemi pantheon (Bhalla being a twist on Audumbla), and the Rashemi believe that Bhalla infiltrated the Mulans (which from my standpoint... she did).

Now, take that same goddess, and stick her as a mother/fertility/harvest type goddess to minotaurs, yak folk, and ibixians and she'd fit quite well.

Anyway, don't want to hijack the thread. Gonna start another thread just to list out some ideas I'd thrown down quickly for "Katashakan" racial/regional pantheons/god groupings. People can add to it or give me some ideas as they like.

Alavairthae, may your skill prevail

Phillip aka Sleyvas
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LordofBones
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Posted - 11 Apr 2017 :  15:26:00  Show Profile Send LordofBones a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hey AuldDragon, given that Mellifleur and Velsharoon share Death's Embrace, what's their opinion of the other?
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TomCosta
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Posted - 11 Apr 2017 :  19:23:27  Show Profile Send TomCosta a Private Message  Reply with Quote
In P&P, Mellifleur is made an alias of Velsharoon and their origins are not so different as to not be compatible. Of course, you can choose to keep them as separate.
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