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LordofBones
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Posted - 04 Apr 2018 :  02:31:19  Show Profile Send LordofBones a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Please, everyone knows the reason Aerdrie Fenya spends her time in Ysgard is because the men of the Norse pantheon are swole as all hell.
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Baltas
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Posted - 04 Apr 2018 :  03:20:22  Show Profile Send Baltas a Private Message  Reply with Quote
- LordofBones

You are aware it's also one of the reasons Freyja is there?
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AuldDragon
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Posted - 04 Apr 2018 :  05:00:15  Show Profile  Visit AuldDragon's Homepage Send AuldDragon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by LordofBones

D&D kind of muddies the waters; Sobek and Apep should definitely not be demipowers. Pathfinder's version of Sobek is far closer to the real myth of the crocodile god than the cowardly sycophant of the Mulhorandi pantheon, while Apep should either be a greater power or something equivalent to Jormungandr or Dendar - a cosmic horror intrinsicly tied to his pantheon.

Set himself is generally overhyped as a villain. Yes, he is a fratricidal monster, but he's a valued member of the Egyptian pantheon and the protector of Ra. In myth, he and Horus eventually buried the hatchet.


The Realms' versions of the Egyptian gods have a good excuse for being different than their "real" counterparts, though. As for Set and Horus making up, that's not what I would call accurate. Certain royal dynasties saw Set differently than other royal dynasties, which altered his portrayals during their reigns; they didn't have the negative views that previous and some later dynasties saw him. The D&D game can't easily handle these contradictions, though.

The bigger issue I have is that the game associates him with snakes, which is not accurate to the mythology as far as I can tell, and completely ignores the Set animal. To be honest, I've been resisting working on the Egyptian pantheon these last couple months, since I spent much of January in the country visiting some of the spectacular monuments. :)

Jeff

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"That sums it up in a nutshell, AuldDragon. You make a more convincing argument. But he's right and you're not."
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AuldDragon
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Posted - 04 Apr 2018 :  05:11:58  Show Profile  Visit AuldDragon's Homepage Send AuldDragon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Baltas

-AuldDragon

(Hey, long time no see)

Very interesting write-up of Shekinester, although as we discussed, you didn't include Ssharstrune, although he (it?) may be just Toril-specific.


He and the whole "World Serpent" thing are post-2e, so outside the scope of the project. I would consider much of that FR-specific viewpoints (much as the nagas have a different interpretation of some things compared to couatl and the Vedic followers).

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Originally posted by Baltas

I thought other aspects of Shekinester, would be alied with other aspects of Kali/Parvati/Durga (Shakti) - specifically Preserver with Parvati, and the Empowerer with Durga.

I also think now Shekinester could have an eninimity, or relation in the Weaver aspect with Shaktari, who is worshipped by some Naga.

Especially that Shaktari takes on may similar themes as Shekinester.


I'm limiting myself to the AD&D material on the Vedic deities until I can do the research I want, and they aren't covered in the material, so I don't (yet) know how they might interact with Shekinester.

Jeff

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AuldDragon
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Posted - 04 Apr 2018 :  05:24:18  Show Profile  Visit AuldDragon's Homepage Send AuldDragon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by LordofBones

I think Set went waaay beyond 'selfish douche' when he murdered his brother and dismembered him.



Well, if his pops hadn't shafted him in the inheritance by giving all the good land to Osiris and all the crappy land to Set, he wouldn't have had to resort to such measures. It's all Ra's fault, really. ;)

Jeff

(This has been a paid advert of the Set Rehabilitation Fund.)

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LordofBones
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Posted - 04 Apr 2018 :  08:06:22  Show Profile Send LordofBones a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The naga don't really seem to have any bad interactions with the Vedic pantheon. Garuda hates them all, but conversely both Vasuki and Ananta Sesha, both nagaraja, are friendly with Shiva and Vishnu respectively. Ananta Sesha is notable because in addition to being Vishnu's living throne/couch/canopy, he also often incarnates alongside Vishnu to serve as brother or supporter to Vishnu's avatars, while Vasuki - in addition to helping the asura and the devas churn amrta, the nectar of immortality - spends his time coiled around Shiva's throat.

Yes, that snake around Shiva's throat in religious art is actually a naga god-king.

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