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Bookwyrm
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Posted - 01 Mar 2004 :  16:31:04  Show Profile  Visit Bookwyrm's Homepage  Click to see Bookwyrm's MSN Messenger address Send Bookwyrm a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by ElaineCunningham

To some extent, everyone judges books by their covers, literally as well as metaphorically.

Especially certain scribes.

(No, I'm not likely to let that one go, Rad. )

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Lord Rad
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Posted - 01 Mar 2004 :  18:56:56  Show Profile  Visit Lord Rad's Homepage  Click to see Lord Rad's MSN Messenger address Send Lord Rad a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Bookwyrm

quote:
Originally posted by ElaineCunningham

To some extent, everyone judges books by their covers, literally as well as metaphorically.

Especially certain scribes.

(No, I'm not likely to let that one go, Rad. )



Hey, you cant blame me for appreciating (or not) quality fantasy art

I must say (and how very ashamed I am ) that I did bypass the original Daughter of the Drow and Tangled Webs due to the covers and went on to read other FR novels...which sadly I never got caught up with and DotD\TW were never touched until the new releases..... WOW!!! Definately two of my favorite FR novels! Im anxiously awaiting the paperback Windwalker. Why on earth did WotC never release the new covers in hardcover too?!

Needless to say, this is one very big lesson I have learnt, and never again will I judge a book by its cover.

Lord Rad

"What? No, I wasn't reading your module. I was just looking at the pictures"
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Finglas Leaflock
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Speaking of cover art, and throwing in other artistic renderings of your characters, which one do you feel best represents Arilyn? The only one that really bothers me is the one from the FRCS, in the Harper Scout entry.

Another thing I've been wondering about for a long time (warning, very trivial question coming!), based on the art I've seen--am I correct in guessing that she's right-handed, but uses a two-handed, lefty grip? As a baseball fan as well as a fantasy reader, it struck me that she probably has a Stan Musial-like swing; left-handed but with a bottom "power hand," in this case her right hand. Hmm, maybe I should get out more. On the other hand it is nearly baseball season.
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 02 Mar 2004 :  04:20:38  Show Profile  Visit SiriusBlack's Homepage Send SiriusBlack a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Rad
Why on earth did WotC never release the new covers in hardcover too?!



No idea on WOTC's decision making. However, I just can't imagine any company thinking that most consumers will purchase a hardcover version of a book they have in paperback even with a much more beautiful, fitting, and well done cover.
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ElaineCunningham
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Posted - 02 Mar 2004 :  12:11:47  Show Profile  Visit ElaineCunningham's Homepage Send ElaineCunningham a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Finglas Leaflock

Speaking of cover art, and throwing in other artistic renderings of your characters, which one do you feel best represents Arilyn? The only one that really bothers me is the one from the FRCS, in the Harper Scout entry.


None of them are quite like Arilyn as I picture her, but the Fred Fields painting on Elfshadow is probably the closest. (Of Arilyn, but most decidedly not Danilo.) The FRCS illo strikes me as less problematic than the fact that Arilyn left the Harpers several years before this game supplement was released.

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Another thing I've been wondering about for a long time (warning, very trivial question coming!), based on the art I've seen--am I correct in guessing that she's right-handed, but uses a two-handed, lefty grip? As a baseball fan as well as a fantasy reader, it struck me that she probably has a Stan Musial-like swing; left-handed but with a bottom "power hand," in this case her right hand. Hmm, maybe I should get out more. On the other hand it is nearly baseball season.



"Baseball trivia" is an oxymoron. There is nothing trivial about baseball. To extend the metaphor, I've always regarded Arilyn as a switch hitter -- ambidexterous, able to change grip without diminishing the strength of her swing. A two-handed sword imposes certain limitations, and it seemed to me she'd need that edge.

And yes, you should get out more, and it's a good idea to start planning now. Tickets for good seats are hard to come by. One of my resolutions for this summer is to get out to the local minor league stadium more, and down to Yankee Stadium at least once or twice.
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ElaineCunningham
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Posted - 02 Mar 2004 :  12:22:05  Show Profile  Visit ElaineCunningham's Homepage Send ElaineCunningham a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by SiriusBlack

quote:
Originally posted by Rad
Why on earth did WotC never release the new covers in hardcover too?!



No idea on WOTC's decision making. However, I just can't imagine any company thinking that most consumers will purchase a hardcover version of a book they have in paperback even with a much more beautiful, fitting, and well done cover.



That's my guess, as well. Every now and then you'll see a hardcover reprint, but it's certainly not the norm. In fact, when I first started writing Windwalker, I was told that it would be released as a paperback original. I'm not sure why the decision was made to upgrade to a hardcover release. Either way, the situation with hard/soft books, old/new covers makes getting a matched set a little tough for long-time readers. It's like koshur hot dogs and buns -- the packaging is such that it's hard not to end up with one extra of something.

For new readers, however, it's no problem--just wait for the paperback of WW and you've got a set of matching paperbacks. In fact, I've been waiting for the paperback (just got my author copies yesterday!) so I could send a matched set to a reader who named his daughter Liriel.

::adds a trip to the post office to the Things-to-do list...::

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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 02 Mar 2004 :  16:39:35  Show Profile  Visit SiriusBlack's Homepage Send SiriusBlack a Private Message
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Originally posted by ElaineCunningham
The FRCS illo strikes me as less problematic than the fact that Arilyn left the Harpers several years before this game supplement was released.



Yes, no offense to any FRCS, but continuity apparently took a swing and a miss during that porition of the product.
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 02 Mar 2004 :  16:47:50  Show Profile  Visit SiriusBlack's Homepage Send SiriusBlack a Private Message
Two questions to Mrs. Cunningham whenever she has the time to address them:

1. Regarding the first printed editions of Daughter of the Drow & Tangled Webs, I'm correct that both were only released in paperback format? The reason I ask is some time ago, a poster on another messageboard proclaimed with a strong degree of righteousness that he had copies of hardback versions of these novels in his library. I didn't argue as in a situation where someone is so vehiment I believe they are either right and my facts are mistaken or the person's medication has recently been adjusted and why should I disturb their pleasant state of existence even if I think my facts are in order. However, since you are willing to answer questions now, I was hoping you could clear this matter up for me.

2. I was looking over Silver Shadows that past few nights and within this novel there is an exchange of dialogue between Arilyn and Foxfire regarding humans. Arilyn puts forth the saying, "how short the flame, yet how bright they burn" (I hope I got that right as I'm going on memory since I can't find the passage right now). Was this saying created by you or did it come from a pre-existing Realms work? I've often used it to my players to explain the fascination elves can have for humans but never could recall the source until I read your novel last night. I just want to start giving proper credit when I use it and hope you can help.

Thank you again.
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ElaineCunningham
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Posted - 02 Mar 2004 :  17:50:10  Show Profile  Visit ElaineCunningham's Homepage Send ElaineCunningham a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by SiriusBlack
1. Regarding the first printed editions of Daughter of the Drow & Tangled Webs, I'm correct that both were only released in paperback format?


No, both were initially released in hardcover.

quote:
2. Arilyn puts forth the saying, "how [brief] their flame, yet how bright they burn."... Was this saying created by you or did it come from a pre-existing Realms work?


That's my way of explaining how some elves regard humans. As far as I know, that view was not previously expounded in Realms lore.

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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 03 Mar 2004 :  05:46:35  Show Profile  Visit SiriusBlack's Homepage Send SiriusBlack a Private Message
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Originally posted by ElaineCunningham
No, both were initially released in hardcover.



Thank you. I did not know that. As of late I enjoy getting my favorite novels in hardcover form for a certain section of my new home. I'll have to see about obtaining these,until now to me, unknown editions.

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That's my way of explaining how some elves regard humans. As far as I know, that view was not previously expounded in Realms lore.



Thank you again. At least now I know who to give proper credit to. The saying made a definite impression and is very eloquent.
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Bookwyrm
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Posted - 03 Mar 2004 :  23:29:54  Show Profile  Visit Bookwyrm's Homepage  Click to see Bookwyrm's MSN Messenger address Send Bookwyrm a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by ElaineCunningham

quote:
Originally posted by SiriusBlack
1. Regarding the first printed editions of Daughter of the Drow & Tangled Webs, I'm correct that both were only released in paperback format?


No, both were initially released in hardcover.



Yes; my brother has both of those in hardcover. I managed to find a hardcover of Daughter, but my brother's is still better -- it's autographed. (Non-personalized, though.)

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ElaineCunningham
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Posted - 05 Mar 2004 :  14:48:45  Show Profile  Visit ElaineCunningham's Homepage Send ElaineCunningham a Private Message
Just a quick note to update previous information, which in the course of human events has turned into misinformation.

I have described my contribution to the upcoming FR anthology Realms of the Dragons as a tale from Realms prehistory that revisits the dark elf necromancer K'narlist, introduced in the short story "Secrets of Blood, Spirits of the Sea" in Realms of the Arcane. That story proposal was submitted and accepted. But computer problems and health issues put me dangerously behind schedule, and the deadline snuck up on me while I was recovering from surgery.

Fortuntely, I had on hand an almost-finished story I'd written with DRAGON Magazine in mind a while back. (Egad! That was three editors ago...) So I pulled up the file, gave it a quick buff, and sent it on its way. Fortunately, the editor was happy with it, and a happy editor is a wondrous thing to behold.

The story is "Gorlist's Dragon," and it describes pivotal events in the early life of a drow villain from the Starlight & Shadows trilogy.

For reasons too complicated to get into, fantasy artist Kay Allen painted a very nice portrait of Gorlist for me. Here's a link.

http://www.realmsquest.com/gallery/gorlist.jpg
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Bookwyrm
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Posted - 05 Mar 2004 :  17:18:41  Show Profile  Visit Bookwyrm's Homepage  Click to see Bookwyrm's MSN Messenger address Send Bookwyrm a Private Message
Oh, nice. I like.

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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 05 Mar 2004 :  17:52:45  Show Profile  Visit SiriusBlack's Homepage Send SiriusBlack a Private Message
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Originally posted by ElaineCunningham
But computer problems and health issues put me dangerously behind schedule, and the deadline snuck up on me while I was recovering from surgery.



I think I echo everyone in Candlekeep in hoping your recovery went as smoothly as possible and wishing you and your family the best.

quote:

Fortunately, the editor was happy with it, and a happy editor is a wondrous thing to behold.



Who is the editor currently? Is it Philip Athans?

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The story is "Gorlist's Dragon," and it describes pivotal events in the early life of a drow villain from the Starlight & Shadows trilogy.



Gorlist! Great character. It will be nice to see him again.

quote:

For reasons too complicated to get into, fantasy artist Kay Allen painted a very nice portrait of Gorlist for me. Here's a link.



Good choice of artist. She does some fine work. Thank you for sharing the portrait and giving us this update.
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ElaineCunningham
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Posted - 09 Mar 2004 :  15:45:52  Show Profile  Visit ElaineCunningham's Homepage Send ElaineCunningham a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by SiriusBlack
Who is the editor currently? Is it Philip Athans?


Yes, Phil Athans is editing Realms of the Dragons.
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Finglas Leaflock
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Posted - 14 Mar 2004 :  03:45:37  Show Profile Send Finglas Leaflock a Private Message
First of all, thanks for the reply about Arilyn's and Danilo's physical looks--I didn't picture Dan that way (the picture on Elfshadow) from reading your books, and I guess I did picture Arilyn sort of looking like that cover, but not exactly. Perhaps a little more angular, with her elven heritage, and paler.

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"Baseball trivia" is an oxymoron. There is nothing trivial about baseball. To extend the metaphor, I've always regarded Arilyn as a switch hitter -- ambidexterous, able to change grip without diminishing the strength of her swing. A two-handed sword imposes certain limitations, and it seemed to me she'd need that edge.

And yes, you should get out more, and it's a good idea to start planning now. Tickets for good seats are hard to come by. One of my resolutions for this summer is to get out to the local minor league stadium more, and down to Yankee Stadium at least once or twice.


Baseball can be used to explain anything, as you have ably demonstrated. :-) I've also promised myself to get to some minor league games this year, after driving past the Newark Bears stadium daily since it was built a few years ago. My wife will, no doubt, remind me of this promise, and we'll also get out to Shea a few times as always. Yankee Stadium could be a tough sell; she's still a little bitter about the 2000 World Series.

Anyway, I have more questions about Arilyn and Danilo, leaving out the inevitable "when will another book about them be published." I know they left the Harpers in 1368 (in Dream Spheres), but would they still have contact with people like Khelben, Laeral, and Bran Skorlsun? If so, would they know or care about the Harper Schism and the Moonstars? I was wondering if those events could maybe draw the two back into the mix of Harper doings, or if they had become so disenchanted that they didn't really want to even hear about it.

Thanks for being so helpful and answering all of our questions, it's really appreciated. Of course, your books are appreciated even more, so I, for one, don't mind waiting for answers if you're busy writing! :-)
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ElaineCunningham
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Posted - 14 Mar 2004 :  17:13:24  Show Profile  Visit ElaineCunningham's Homepage Send ElaineCunningham a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Finglas Leaflock
Anyway, I have more questions about Arilyn and Danilo, leaving out the inevitable "when will another book about them be published." I know they left the Harpers in 1368 (in Dream Spheres), but would they still have contact with people like Khelben, Laeral, and Bran Skorlsun? If so, would they know or care about the Harper Schism and the Moonstars? I was wondering if those events could maybe draw the two back into the mix of Harper doings, or if they had become so disenchanted that they didn't really want to even hear about it.



Speaking from a practical viewpoint, I think this would depend at least in part upon what the folks at WotC wanted to emphasize. I'm not sure whether or not another Harpers novel would be considered desirable, given the 16-book series already devoted to them.

Speaking from the characters' point of view, I am sure they would be very interested in the Harper reorganization.



Edited by - ElaineCunningham on 14 Mar 2004 23:29:43
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 14 Mar 2004 :  17:23:51  Show Profile  Visit SiriusBlack's Homepage Send SiriusBlack a Private Message
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Originally posted by ElaineCunningham
Speaking from the characters' point of view, I am sure they would be very interested in the Harper reorganization.



Given Bran's involvement in the split, I'm sure it would draw their attention. Speaking of Bran, Mrs. Cunningham, how would you describe Arilyn's relationship with her father? I know you've mentioned in the past about keeping notes on your characters and was curious about these two. Since Elfshadow as the roll of years passed, were Arilyn and Bran able to forge any type of friendship? Father and Daughter relationship?
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ElaineCunningham
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Posted - 14 Mar 2004 :  23:37:19  Show Profile  Visit ElaineCunningham's Homepage Send ElaineCunningham a Private Message
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
Given Bran's involvement in the split, I'm sure it would draw their attention. Speaking of Bran, Mrs. Cunningham, how would you describe Arilyn's relationship with her father? I know you've mentioned in the past about keeping notes on your characters and was curious about these two. Since Elfshadow as the roll of years passed, were Arilyn and Bran able to forge any type of friendship? Father and Daughter relationship?



They did develop a relationship, but it's somewhat tentative.

Before I say much more, I should check to see what, if anything, has befallen Bran in the game lore. A while back, there was a possibility that he would be involved in the problems with Hellgate Keep, and I don't recall offhand what became of that.
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 15 Mar 2004 :  03:07:13  Show Profile  Visit SiriusBlack's Homepage Send SiriusBlack a Private Message
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Originally posted by ElaineCunningham
They did develop a relationship, but it's somewhat tentative.



Thank you for the reply. Willing on both parts, but circumstances perhaps keeping them apart? Arilyn's life has certainly been active since she learned of her father's identity.

quote:

Before I say much more, I should check to see what, if anything, has befallen Bran in the game lore. A while back, there was a possibility that he would be involved in the problems with Hellgate Keep, and I don't recall offhand what became of that.



The last gaming product I recall seeing Bran's name mentioned in was Cloak and Dagger and that was regarding the Moonstars split from The Harpers. I don't recall hearing of a recent connection with Hellgate Keep, but I may be mistaken. Perhaps another kind scribe knows the answer.
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ElaineCunningham
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Posted - 15 Mar 2004 :  04:07:47  Show Profile  Visit ElaineCunningham's Homepage Send ElaineCunningham a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by SiriusBlack
The last gaming product I recall seeing Bran's name mentioned in was Cloak and Dagger and that was regarding the Moonstars split from The Harpers. I don't recall hearing of a recent connection with Hellgate Keep, but I may be mistaken. Perhaps another kind scribe knows the answer.



I'll have to ask Stephen Schend. I seem to recall quite a while back that he was looking for a high-level Harper to kill in a game product that dealt with the closing of Hellgate Keep, and he called to ask if Bran was available for destruction. Alas, due to sleep deprivation (not to mention advanced age...) I don't recall how that scenario eventually played out.
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Dargoth
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Posted - 15 Mar 2004 :  04:36:52  Show Profile  Visit Dargoth's Homepage Send Dargoth a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by ElaineCunningham

quote:
Originally posted by SiriusBlack
The last gaming product I recall seeing Bran's name mentioned in was Cloak and Dagger and that was regarding the Moonstars split from The Harpers. I don't recall hearing of a recent connection with Hellgate Keep, but I may be mistaken. Perhaps another kind scribe knows the answer.



I'll have to ask Stephen Schend. I seem to recall quite a while back that he was looking for a high-level Harper to kill in a game product that dealt with the closing of Hellgate Keep, and he called to ask if Bran was available for destruction. Alas, due to sleep deprivation (not to mention advanced age...) I don't recall how that scenario eventually played out.



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ElaineCunningham
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Posted - 15 Mar 2004 :  04:52:29  Show Profile  Visit ElaineCunningham's Homepage Send ElaineCunningham a Private Message
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Originally posted by Dargoth
2 harpers a Bard calld Cryshana Fireglen and Spellviper a Cleric of Mystra died when the Mistmaster activated the Gatekeeper Crystal in the Hellsgate keep module by Steven Schend



Thanks for clarifying that. I just couldn't remember what the final decision was concerning Bran's involvement with Hellgate Keep.
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Steven Schend
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Posted - 15 Mar 2004 :  19:06:19  Show Profile  Visit Steven Schend's Homepage  Send Steven Schend a Yahoo! Message Send Steven Schend a Private Message
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
However, the thing that makes the Daemonfey from House Dlardrageth stand out from me is the interesting part in history this house plays. A noble, sun elf family, turns to fiends to breed better members for their house. Given how most sun elves treat half-elves, how big of a gong on the hypocrite scale does this action sound?



Quite a big hypocritical gong, and thanks for noticing. This was one of the things I'd picked up when reading Elminster in Myth Drannor and one of the reasons I expanded upon it in Hellgate Keep. After all, some of the best game product ideas came out of toss-away references and minor notes in some novels.

Steven Schend

PS: Hi Elaine!

PPS: A previous thread here reminded me of the first time I talked to you (as a lowly TSR wage slave). I think we were talking about Elfshadow in relation to my writing City of Splendors at the time an you were amazed that I knew the proper way to pronounce Siobhan (a Watch commander, as I recall). <shrug> The silly things one remembers....
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Steven Schend
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quote:
Originally posted by ElaineCunningham

quote:
Originally posted by Dargoth
2 harpers a Bard calld Cryshana Fireglen and Spellviper a Cleric of Mystra died when the Mistmaster activated the Gatekeeper Crystal in the Hellsgate keep module by Steven Schend



Thanks for clarifying that. I just couldn't remember what the final decision was concerning Bran's involvement with Hellgate Keep.



Further clarification is only a few keystrokes away. ;)

At the time we spoke on this, I debated about putting a few named Harpers in harm's way for that plot, but we agreed that it'd be a waste of Bran's potential at that time.

When the C&D work started up, I asked your permission to put Bran on the conservative side of a Harpers dust-up and play up his snarkiness vs. Khelben. As the schism was really a disagreement of method among good guys, it didn't harm either character but set up some long term stuff.

Unfortunately, I think the schism probably makes it more difficult for Arilyn & Bran to smooth out their family stuff, given how closely her husband is tied to Khelben....

Thanks again for letting me/us use Bran as the foil for that Schism; wonder what's going to be the end result of all of it, I wonder?

Steven
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