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rumblebelly
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Turkey
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 Posted - 16 Aug 2004 : 01:23:44
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old cover? hey I've seen that! The illithid thingy doing the chewbecca hug over liriel! never been afraid of an illithid before, and liriel was even worse.
relief: off course, lockwood. This guy rocks, as we all agree. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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36779 Posts |
Posted - 16 Aug 2004 : 03:41:36
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Originally posted by rumblebelly
old cover? hey I've seen that! The illithid thingy doing the chewbecca hug over liriel! never been afraid of an illithid before, and liriel was even worse.
relief: off course, lockwood. This guy rocks, as we all agree.
I've got that particular cover... All of my EC books are the first printing, so my copy of Elfshadow is Harpers book 2, and so on.  |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 16 Aug 2004 : 05:24:49
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I've got that particular cover... All of my EC books are the first printing, so my copy of Elfshadow is Harpers book 2, and so on.
Ditto..... And I guess I'm wierd but I liked the old Liriel covers! :) |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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5517 Posts |
Posted - 16 Aug 2004 : 13:46:55
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Originally posted by kuje31
Ditto..... And I guess I'm wierd but I liked the old Liriel covers! :)
Not weird, but that is the first time I've heard that statement.  |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 16 Aug 2004 : 15:26:56
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Originally posted by kuje31
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I've got that particular cover... All of my EC books are the first printing, so my copy of Elfshadow is Harpers book 2, and so on.
Ditto..... And I guess I'm wierd but I liked the old Liriel covers! :)
Well, that makes one of us that liked those covers. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 16 Aug 2004 : 18:30:08
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
Not weird, but that is the first time I've heard that statement.
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Well, that makes one of us that liked those covers.
Bah. :) I'll just go back to being the silent ignored scribe now. :) |
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Elmonster
Acolyte
Russia
49 Posts |
Posted - 10 Sep 2004 : 09:20:28
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Hello Elaine,
I've got a question about this new Waterdeep Novel. Will it somehow deal with Skullport and Xanathar Guild? |
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arilyn742
Seeker
Ireland
54 Posts |
Posted - 17 Sep 2004 : 19:40:18
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Sorry to bother thee again, but hast thou gone back on the decision to put up what thou hast done of the Drow art gallery? It hath been a cycle of Lady Moon ... |
Yonde iru, mune no doko ka oku de
Itsumo kokoro odoru yume wo mitai
Kanashimi wa kazoekirenai keredo
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Arion Elenim
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 23 Sep 2004 : 04:40:35
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Hi once again, Mrs. C...
I was wondering if you knew if any of the professions mentioned in your wonderful Counselors and Kings novels (Magehounds, Jordain, etc) have been or will be made into playable classes in the D&D system...?
Thanks so very much. BTW, I loved the series. It was a welcome change to normal Realms reading. I sincerely hope there is more in store for these characters. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 23 Sep 2004 : 05:03:06
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Originally posted by Arion Elenim
I was wondering if you knew if any of the professions mentioned in your wonderful Counselors and Kings novels (Magehounds, Jordain, etc) have been or will be made into playable classes in the D&D system...?
That might be something to ask Thomas M. Reid, author of the upcoming regional sourcebook, Shining South. |
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Winterfox
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 23 Sep 2004 : 05:28:28
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 23 Sep 2004 : 06:58:42
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Originally posted by Winterfox
There's a write-up on the jordain on Wizards.com.
And this write-up also covers the Magehounds.
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Arion Elenim
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 23 Sep 2004 : 14:13:06
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| Many thanks, guys. |
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ElaineCunningham
Forgotten Realms Author
2396 Posts |
Posted - 24 Sep 2004 : 17:48:48
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Hi. Sorry for letting questions pile up in the corners. I just got back from Ireland, and I'm neck-deep in various deadlines, so this will be brief.
The first "room" of the drow art gallery will go up as soon as I do a web update. I hope to get to this right after I send in my current manuscript. After that, the next newsletter.
As others have mentioned, Thomas Costa did a nice job with his article on the jordaini and magehounds. I don't know whether or not any of this was incorporated into The Shining South, as I have had nothing to do with this product.
Glad you enjoyed the Counselors & Kings trilogy, Arion. I would ask what constitutes "normal Realms reading" and how C&K deviated from this norm, but once in a while, there's something to be said for blissful ignorance.
The upcoming Waterdeep novel does not deal with Skullport or its denizens.
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Bruce Donohue
Learned Scribe
Canada
131 Posts |
Posted - 24 Sep 2004 : 18:00:24
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Well again Elaine,
I was just wondering, from someone who is of Irish descent but has not visited the Green Ile, is it as beautiful as many say? Was this the first time that you have gone? If you could place Ireland in the FR, where would it be? |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 24 Sep 2004 : 21:11:20
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Originally posted by ElaineCunningham
I would ask what constitutes "normal Realms reading" and how C&K deviated from this norm, but once in a while, there's something to be said for blissful ignorance.
As someone who is only halfway through the second book in the Counselors & Kings trilogy, let me offer my input as I was thinking about this last night as I was reading your work
Your plots, to me, are much more complex, than some other Realms books that I have read. Mind you this is not meant as a disparaging remark. Rather, it's a trait that I like to see in novels. Another recent FR book that I think could stand out as more complex than some others is the recently released, The Forsaken House. |
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Arion Elenim
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 24 Sep 2004 : 23:11:47
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Well, Mrs. C, I won't gush anymore over your works than I already have on this thread....let's just say that I enjoyed being somewhere other than the Sword Coast for a while... |
My latest Realms-based short story, about a bard, a paladin of Lathander and the letter of the law, Debts Repaid. It takes place before the "shattering" and gives the bard Arion a last gasp before he plunges into the present.http://candlekeep.com/campaign/logs/log-debts.htm |
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ElaineCunningham
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 24 Sep 2004 : 23:33:23
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Originally posted by Bruce Donohue
I was just wondering, from someone who is of Irish descent but has not visited the Green Ile, is it as beautiful as many say? Was this the first time that you have gone? If you could place Ireland in the FR, where would it be?
Ireland is gorgeous. This was my second trip. Since my mother can walk only for short distances, we focused on scenic drives: the Burren, Dingle peninsula, the Ring of Kerry.
I don't see any FR place as closely analogous to Ireland, but probably the Moonshaes would come closest.
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 25 Sep 2004 : 04:00:26
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Stick some ancient faerie kingdoms on it and you might have something like Evermeet.
I was just in Ireland from August 2nd to the 15th -- why didn't you go earlier? We could have bumped into each other. (Ever since you mentioned your one-on-one workshops you try to do, I've been dying to do one. And of course, you've moved away from DC by the time I find out. I'm selfish, I admit it. I am a dragon . . . .)
Seriously, I do hope you had fun. |
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rumblebelly
Acolyte
Turkey
25 Posts |
Posted - 25 Sep 2004 : 22:19:57
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I adore Skullport
I want more skullport :) |
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ElaineCunningham
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 26 Sep 2004 : 12:54:52
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| Skullport is indeed an interesting place. I've taken small incursions into its depths, but it really needs its own novel. How about this: "Halaster, Making of an Insane, Evil Mage." I couldn't write it, but I'd definitely be interested in reading it! |
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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author
USA
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Posted - 26 Sep 2004 : 19:21:23
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Skullport is indeed an interesting place. I've taken small incursions into its depths, but it really needs its own novel. How about this: "Halaster, Making of an Insane, Evil Mage." I couldn't write it, but I'd definitely be interested in reading it!
That'd be a massive novel, that. We keep forgetting at times that Hilather/Halaster is older by at least a century or two over Elminster, and his history's still not covered after 5 novels. I shudder to think what it'd take to do Halaster justice (or if it's even possible to attempt a story from his POV--at least six POVs simultaneously across Undermountain). Still, it could be a great experiment in nonlinear narrative, that.
Besides, with skullport, we really need to branch out.
How about a Gilbert & Sullivan modernized operetta/musical with a love story across clashing powers in the streets and upways of Skullport? UNDERSIDE STORY! The Skulls of Skullport sing Greek chorus throughout the production, and we finally get the dancing troglodytes and tren kick line you've always wanted, Elaine!
Okay....maybe a wee bit too much sugar and coffee this a.m..... I'm just in full babble and idea storm mode today...
On second thought, maybe a simple tale of some poor lad or lass (or both) being stolen off the streets of Waterdeep and enslaved and they have to escape both the slavers and Skullport. Escape from New York and the Great Escape all rolled into a medieval setting. Sure, it's simple and plot-driven, but that's what this genre was built upon...
Skullport's a great setting and easily a full character in itself, almost moreso than Waterdeep. Adapt Deliverance for a ride by unwitting heroes down the Saurgauth? Do a wiseguy/undercover Lords' agent story with a guy in deep with the slavers et al? A novel looking at Eilistraee's temple and life therein would be great, especially if we see it outside of Qilue's POV. What about some historians eager to explore Skullport for its Netherese origins trying to stay alive while plumbing secrets untouched in millennia? Yeah, there might be some potential for stories down here...
For those who want something interesting with some subtle shades and hints of what one might be able to do with Skullport, check out Neil Gaiman's NEVERWHERE on BBC Video (VHS and DVD, I believe); I read it when it came out in 1996 and it's a great read and great fodder for Skullport ideas.
Steven
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Melfius
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 26 Sep 2004 : 23:49:02
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Hmmm, I think I may just try my hand at a Halaster story. I've been trying to think of a good plotline. Wonder if I could get Dragon Mag to publish it as a serial novel?
As for a title, the whole 'Making of a Mage' and all it's variants have been done. How about 'Living La Vida Loco'? |
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Kajehase
Great Reader
Sweden
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Posted - 27 Sep 2004 : 00:08:42
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Greetings Mrs Cunningham.
Let me start this missive by giving you my utmost thanks for bringing us those wonderful novels of your's. So far I've read the Starlight & Shadows trilogy as well as Elfshadow and Elfsong, and am currently dedicating at least an hour a day to pacing back on forth on the floor waiting for the mailman to deliver the package containing the rest of that series.
What I wanted to ask was how you imagine the music of the Elfsong to sound like? Is there any real-world traditional style of music it could be likened to?
(If someone has asked this earlier on this scroll and been answered I apologize, but it's well past midnight when I'm writing this and leafing through 22 pages of posts seems a tad daunting at the moment).
And finally the only bad thing I've found in reading your work so far: Danilo Thann... Why oh why did I read a book with him in? Now I'll have to make up a new character to use for online NWN-games or be accused of mimicking your creation. Curse you (Just joking of course, I love Danilo, had I been a girl and offered that dress he shows Arilyn at the end of Elfshadow I'd probably have acted like some silly hen and jumped right in it. Which is why I think Arilyn is better for him than I'd be ).
Anyways... Once more a big thank you for your impressive body of work.
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ElaineCunningham
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 27 Sep 2004 : 03:01:10
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Kasehase, thanks for the post. Melfius, go for it! Steven, switch to decaf.
Kasehase, I'm a former music teacher and musician who still dabbles a bit, so I have very definite ideas about the music in Elfsong.
The ballad sung by Danilo's singing sword is a fully composed piece of music. Its title is "Elminster's Jest," and it includes a stanza with a rather bawdy punchline--so bawdy that I didn't even bother to include it when I submitted the novel. (Editors:-->) I originally scored it for harp, viol da gamba, hand drum (such as the bodhran), and obligato instrument (such as flute or recorder), but I'm currently scaling it down to a voice and harp arrangement. I've composed the melody for "Moonmist Maiden," but not the lyrics.
I envision the music in Waterdeep taverns to be similar to the popular music of real-world European cultures during the Renaissance. It's hard to describe this to someone who's not familiar with it. Think in terms of the dance music in the wedding scene in "Braveheart:" very rhythmic, with simple, rollicking melodies. Bawdy songs were VERY popular in the Renaissance, so there's definitely a tradition there.
I'm very fond of traditional folk music, and in my "mind's ear" much of the music of Waterdeep is a fusion of Near Eastern, gypsy, European, and Celtic elements. Loreena McKennit does some nice fusion music. Not quite what I envision for Waterdeep, but it gives you an idea.
Because I'm interested in traditional folk music, I like to include less familiar instruments. For an idea of what Wyn Ashgrove's hammered dulcimer sounds like, listen to any recording by Maggie Sansone. It's hard to find good recordings of a hurdy gurdy, which sounds like a cross between a violin and a bagpipes.
At one time, I was also very interested in early music (Medieval and Renaissance), so I use instruments and styles from both the popular and "art" forms. The lute was the most popular and widely played instrument, much as the guitar is today. It sounds similar to a guitar, but it has more delicate sound--the tones are not as resonant and the notes fade more quickly. Danilo's lute playing would be somewhat similar to the music of John Dowland and Thomas Campion. I've included references to some real-world music--mostly fairly obscure stuff that won't distract most readers. For example, the spell poem was written to be sung to "L'homme arme," a popular medieval melody that was used as the basis for many motets, madrigals, and even polyphonic church music.
I really enjoyed this aspect of Elfsong, and I'm looking forward to an upcoming (non-Realms) project that has a bard as a central character. More details to follow as things fall into place. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 27 Sep 2004 : 04:46:21
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Elaine, have you ever heard the music of the group Gaelic Storm? They've got a nice mix of traditional Irish music and some other stuff... A lot of the music is just plain fun to listen to.
Oh, and for further reference, they were the band in the steerage section in the movie Titanic. That's not really their best stuff, though. The last three CDs have been so much better than the first two. |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
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Posted - 27 Sep 2004 : 05:37:57
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I've got one of their CDs lying around the place somewhere . . . . (So hard to keep track of things in a hoard -- everything's just all over the place! )
Let us know when that book's out! |
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Kajehase
Great Reader
Sweden
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Posted - 27 Sep 2004 : 06:28:02
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Well met once more Mrs Cunningham (mind if I call you Elaine? We up here in the Frozen North is not much for formalities in naming each other and I feel like I'm adressing royalty when I use Mr or Mrs to someone).
It would appear that thanks is once more in order, this time for your swift and detailed answer to my questions. I think me that I have some rummaging around at the local library's music-departement to do next time I'm there.
Music teacher eh? I had to try that once during my happy days as a temp. Quite possibly the scariest moment of my career so far, I can't play a single instrument and my singing-voice is perhaps not too bad, but so nasal it makes Bob Dylan with a sinus-infection sound normal.
A funny thing struck me as I was leafing through Tangled Webs, both Liriel's father-figures in that book have got the same name as one of my uncles. So I guess I'm from Ruathym and not the Frozen North then.
Just one more thing... It's KaJehase, not Kasehase, that's my finnish second cousin twice removed.
Darn... my self-centred ramblings made me forget (thanks for the edit-function). Any chance of getting to see that missing stanza of the Danilo's sword you mentioned? |
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ElaineCunningham
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 27 Sep 2004 : 13:41:15
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Yes, I'm familiar with Gaelic Storm. My favorite Celtic band at present is Solas. We have all their CDs, but they're even more impressive in person. We heard them play at the Blackstone River Theatre in Cumberland, Rhode Island. Incredible precision and virtuosity.
For the record, I'm not fussy about what people in Candlekeep call me, as long as you don't preface it with "Lady." Call it a quirk, but being addressed by a title I have neither inherited nor earned makes me cringe. (Though I suppose you can't actually earn the title "lady." If I'm not mistaken, a woman elevated the peerage would be addressed as "Dame Whoever.") |
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Miraculixx
Acolyte
Germany
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Posted - 27 Sep 2004 : 22:07:27
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WARNING: SPOILERS FOR WINDWALKER
Hello all!
Hello Mrs. Cunningham
Mrs. Cunningham, i liked to read your novels(and i read all i think), they are all very good, but best liked by me , are the novels: Daughter of the drow/Tangled Webs/Windwalker
Are there any future plans from you, to continue the adventures of Liriel Baenre?
(a short description from me, reading this triology:
Daughter of the Drow:
I was curious, how can an other drow(first drow to catch my time was Drizzt) catch my attention, but after reading your book, i come to the point, that your "Daughter of the Drow" was an excellent piece of work, which continues in Tangled Webs(once i got your books in my hands i couldnt put them away, until i was finished with the book).
Windwalker was written very well too, but the end of Windwalker hurts me deeply, why must Fyodor die?(that char gets to everbody reader's heart too, so I was very dissapointed to see him die(bravely but dead is dead)
I dont wanna critzize you, your books are too good for any critizism, only wanted to tell what i felt about your books.
So i hope you will write another novel, which contains Liriel baenre(damm i like her)
--plz forgive my bad english(it isnt my mother language), so i hope you did understand all i have written--
Mrs. Cunningham, you are an great Author, hope to see future novels from you(keep up the good work)
with greetings
M. Klein
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