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SteelGandalf
Acolyte
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 Posted - 04 Feb 2014 : 21:08:30
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Hey Loremasters,
Been years and years since I've posted, glad to be back! I'm looking for a visual family tree, of both the Obarskyr line & the Cormaeril line. Does something like this exist out there?
If not, is there someone out there with enough knowledge/resources to build one?
Sweet Water,
SteelGandalf
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Garen Thal
Master of Realmslore
USA
1105 Posts |
Posted - 04 Feb 2014 : 21:31:43
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Cormaeril: Nope. There isn't nearly enough established lore on the many folks of that House to even attempt such a thing.
Obarskyr: No, it doesn't exist in print. Yes, there are a few folks with the knowledge and resources to build it, and (unfortunately) all of us are prevented by non-disclosure agreements from doing so. Believe me when I say that almost nothing would make me happier to put into print than that. |
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SteelGandalf
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 04 Feb 2014 : 21:34:47
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| would these NDA's prevent us from listing the Obarskyr lineage in text format, here on the forum? I'd like to put something like this together, for my personal campaign use. Wondering if the forum can provide a starting point? |
"Say nice doggie, but keep looking for a rock..."
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Garen Thal
Master of Realmslore
USA
1105 Posts |
Posted - 04 Feb 2014 : 21:50:19
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| Well, technically, you can discuss what's in print. There is a list of kings in Grand History of the Realms (that's the most comprehensive listing you're likely to find), but the full Royal Lineage is significantly more detailed and more complex than all that, and, sadly, has not seen print. That's fully under NDA, and I can't share it without mega-super legal troubles. |
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SteelGandalf
Acolyte
USA
44 Posts |
Posted - 04 Feb 2014 : 22:39:40
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| Ok, is there enough in print to organize into a semblance of a tree? |
"Say nice doggie, but keep looking for a rock..."
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hashimashadoo
Master of Realmslore
United Kingdom
1150 Posts |
Posted - 05 Feb 2014 : 06:46:39
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| Actually, I can think of two Obarskyr family trees. One, in the Cyclopedia of the Realms (p34) goes from Pryntaler to Alusair and Tanalasta. The other, in Dungeon #198 goes from Rhigaerd II to the children of Crown Prince Irvel. Neither of them are comprehensive but together, you could extrapolate a fairly focused tree stretching from 1164 DR to 1479 DR. The Grand History list rarely notes all family members but you can get all the reigning kings as well as a few queens, regents and Crown Princes & Princesses. |
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SteelGandalf
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 05 Feb 2014 : 23:39:52
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| You, sir, are a boss. Many thanks. |
"Say nice doggie, but keep looking for a rock..."
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 06 Feb 2014 : 23:50:00
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| This seems like as good a thread as any to ask this: What was Filfaeril's maiden name? |
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Garen Thal
Master of Realmslore
USA
1105 Posts |
Posted - 07 Feb 2014 : 03:01:54
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Originally posted by Markustay
This seems like as good a thread as any to ask this: What was Filfaeril's maiden name?
Selazair |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6643 Posts |
Posted - 07 Feb 2014 : 03:02:54
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Hmm, always thought it was Selazair, but note that Alusair has a middle name (Nacacia), so that might not be right.
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 07 Feb 2014 : 03:31:15
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So is it Selazair, or isn't it? I would usually take GT's word for it, but not when GK disagrees. 
I recall something somewhere about her family - maybe the Cormyr novel - but I just can't seem to remember the details. Selazair doesn't sound like a Cormyrian noble family name. |
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hashimashadoo
Master of Realmslore
United Kingdom
1150 Posts |
Posted - 07 Feb 2014 : 10:30:31
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| It's spelled alternatively as Selzair and Selazair, depending on which source you're referencing. |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6643 Posts |
Posted - 07 Feb 2014 : 12:26:24
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I didn't disagree, I was just typing from work. If I'd been home, I'd have referenced the inestimable Cormyr Lineage. It's Selazair.
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Garen Thal
Master of Realmslore
USA
1105 Posts |
Posted - 07 Feb 2014 : 14:41:30
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Originally posted by Markustay
So is it Selazair, or isn't it? I would usually take GT's word for it, but not when GK disagrees.
No, no. He wasn't disagreeing. If George was disagreeing with me on a matter of Cormyrean Lineage, I'd have a fifteen-screen email in my inbox already. 
George was musing out loud as to whether "Selazair" was a middle name or her pre-marriage surname. |
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Dr. Redwyrm
Acolyte
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Posted - 11 Feb 2014 : 23:48:21
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Well. I made one for the game, and I figured if anyone else wants to use it...
http://postimg.org/image/vk83qahzb/
Hail Redwyrm. |
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Dr. Redwyrm
Acolyte
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Posted - 11 Feb 2014 : 23:49:54
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http://postimg.org/image/vk83qahzb/
I didn't have much to work with so I filled in the blanks with PC family.
Hail Redwyrm! |
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SteelGandalf
Acolyte
USA
44 Posts |
Posted - 12 Feb 2014 : 23:51:32
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| Whoa |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6643 Posts |
Posted - 13 Feb 2014 : 03:13:26
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quote:
Originally posted by Dr. Redwyrm
http://postimg.org/image/vk83qahzb/
I didn't have much to work with so I filled in the blanks with PC family.
Hail Redwyrm!
Not meaning to sound critical, but how about fleshing out the family tree with slightly more "Realmsian" names. I'm pretty sure there are no James-es in the FR firmament. I could be wrong, but I hope not.
-- George Krashos |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36779 Posts |
Posted - 13 Feb 2014 : 04:23:01
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quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos
quote:
Originally posted by Dr. Redwyrm
http://postimg.org/image/vk83qahzb/
I didn't have much to work with so I filled in the blanks with PC family.
Hail Redwyrm!
Not meaning to sound critical, but how about fleshing out the family tree with slightly more "Realmsian" names. I'm pretty sure there are no James-es in the FR firmament. I could be wrong, but I hope not.
-- George Krashos
There is a Jack, which always bugged me. |
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Brian R. James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer
USA
1098 Posts |
Posted - 13 Feb 2014 : 04:43:59
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Originally posted by George Krashos
I'm pretty sure there are no James-es in the FR firmament.
We already have two James brothers. That's more than enough for the Realms to handle. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 13 Feb 2014 : 13:33:00
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What? No Jhesaay Jâmz?
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
There is a Jack, which always bugged me.
There is a Jack, and there is also a Jak.
My assumption has been that some families may be descendents of Earth immigrants who arrived at some point in the past, and some families may have kept - and 'Realmsified' - those family names. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36779 Posts |
Posted - 13 Feb 2014 : 16:50:15
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quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
What? No Jhesaay Jâmz?
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
There is a Jack, which always bugged me.
There is a Jack, and there is also a Jak.
My assumption has been that some families may be descendents of Earth immigrants who arrived at some point in the past, and some families may have kept - and 'Realmsified' - those family names.
Jak didn't bug me. I don't mind a real-world name when it's changed enough to not be a direct lift. And I'll freely admit that I've used more than one name that started as a real-world name, and then I just changed a letter or two. For example, when I was playing Lord of the Rings Online, I briefly played a character named Ellika (from Erica), and I spent a good chunk of time on a character named Kherisa (Theresa). The last LotRO toon I was leveling was named Corvynn, which was based off of the Latin for crows and ravens, corvus.
And I've been fiddling with importing all of those toons, the rest of my LotRO toons, and even one of my wife's toons, into the Realms. A couple will need name changes (Osirys has to be changed, in particular), but most will work well enough.
But none of those names are direct lifts... And even if, centuries ago, folk had migrated to the Realms, the names would have changed, over time. Languages change constantly -- new words are added, old words dropped, words acquire new and sometimes wholly different meanings, and spellings change. Even if a group of folks for whom Jack is a normal name migrated to the Realms, it should have, in time, become Jakk or Jhak or even something entirely different. The name Jack itself came from Jankin, after all.
And if the name Jack wasn't bad enough, his last name, Ravenwild, contains part of the name of the town where he lived -- Raven's Bluff. Jakk of Raven's Bluff would have worked fine, or a Ravenwild living in Waterdeep would be fine, but a Ravenwild in Raven's Bluff is pushing it, and Jack just makes it worse. Ravenwild is a great name -- but it doesn't work in Raven's Bluff. It's like having Tom Waterdude in Waterdeep or Jon Silveryhand in Silverymoon. |
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Brian R. James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer
USA
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Posted - 13 Feb 2014 : 21:13:57
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Ravenwild is a great name -- but it doesn't work in Raven's Bluff. It's like having Tom Waterdude in Waterdeep or Jon Silveryhand in Silverymoon.
It's for this exact reason that I objected to naming the Lord Protector of Neverwinter... Neverember. I lost that fight. |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6643 Posts |
Posted - 13 Feb 2014 : 22:42:57
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quote:
Originally posted by Brian R. James
It's for this exact reason that I objected to naming the Lord Protector of Neverwinter... Neverember. I lost that fight.
This GEN-CON we have to sit down and list all the fights we've lost over the Realms with the "powers that be". Perhaps we can make a drinking game out of it. Not sure there will be enough beer to cover that field though!
-- George Krashos |
"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus |
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Dr. Redwyrm
Acolyte
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Posted - 14 Feb 2014 : 05:48:59
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The only names made up were Lord Roland and Lady Elena who are the PC's parents and Belana. James Cormaeril is a cannon character. I got the name James Cormaeril from
http://www.candlekeep.com/library/articles/nobles.htm
Like I said. This is what I'm using in a campaign. It's not cannon or anything. There isn't enough info or background into the Cormaeril house to really do much other than speculate according to birth/death dates.
Hail Redwyrm! |
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Dr. Redwyrm
Acolyte
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Posted - 14 Feb 2014 : 05:51:11
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well... maybe James isn't cannon... but he shows up from time to time. Cormaerils are humans. They can have any name they want. James is a human name. I would only be upset if you were a moon elf named Tony or something.
Hail Redwyrm! |
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Garen Thal
Master of Realmslore
USA
1105 Posts |
Posted - 14 Feb 2014 : 13:26:32
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quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos
quote:
Originally posted by Brian R. James
It's for this exact reason that I objected to naming the Lord Protector of Neverwinter... Neverember. I lost that fight.
This GEN-CON we have to sit down and list all the fights we've lost over the Realms with the "powers that be". Perhaps we can make a drinking game out of it. Not sure there will be enough beer to cover that field though!
-- George Krashos
Wait until you find out that that lovely brewery no longer sells beer in pitchers. (And then find out why, on Beer Night, no one goes there.) |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 14 Feb 2014 : 13:40:14
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AGREE on Neverember - its filled with suck.
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Originally posted by Dr. Redwyrm
well... maybe James isn't cannon... but he shows up from time to time. Cormaerils are humans. They can have any name they want. James is a human name. I would only be upset if you were a moon elf named Tony or something.
Hail Redwyrm!
OMG...
Now you've got me thinking about an Elven 'mob'. |
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
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Posted - 15 Feb 2014 : 16:30:05
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Dr. Redwyrm, the list you drew that name from is NOT canon; it's someone's homebrew. There are no "James" or "Joshua" occurrences in any of Ed's nobility of Cormyr lore that I know of, just to pluck two names from that list. Which also sports a major error (the category of "Landed Lords") and half a dozen minor ones that I can see at a glance. If those names work for you, fine...but as you can see from the posts in this thread, names that "sound wrong" are a trigger for many fans and lore-lords of the Realms alike.
BTW, "Neverember" is an Ed-coined surname, that I first encountered in 1978, but it had nothing at all to do with Neverwinter - - nor, as far as I can tell, anything to do with the Sword Coast (except perhaps for Neverember-owned cargoes reaching Scornubel and Silverymoon and Waterdeep via caravans).
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 15 Feb 2014 : 17:35:21
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Originally posted by The Hooded One
BTW, "Neverember" is an Ed-coined surname, that I first encountered in 1978, but it had nothing at all to do with Neverwinter - - nor, as far as I can tell, anything to do with the Sword Coast (except perhaps for Neverember-owned cargoes reaching Scornubel and Silverymoon and Waterdeep via caravans).
love,
THO
Like Ravenwild, it's a great surname... The powers that be (or were then) should have just dropped it elsewhere. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 15 Feb 2014 : 20:00:37
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Ed, if you could 'steal' any god from Goalrion (Paizo/PF), which one would you want most?
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Like Ravenwild, it's a great surname... The powers that be (or were then) should have just dropped it elsewhere.
Agreed.
A nuclear submarine is a great mode of transportation... but I wouldn't want to try driving one to work everyday.
In other words, its never lore that is bad, just how its used. "To every thing there is a season, and time to every purpose under the heaven". |
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Obarskyr/Cormaeril family tree?
