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Jeremy Grenemyer
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Posted - 05 Jan 2014 :  20:28:40  Show Profile Send Jeremy Grenemyer a Private Message
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I need to find a hat, so I can tip it to you. Pretty cool.
Ditto. Really great question, that.

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If only it was one of the last open secrets staring everyone in the face in the OGB.

That would make my decade, and it would mean I could stop looking for it in that book.

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Markustay
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We know Elminster had plenty of 'daughters', but a few sons may have survived as well.

And by 'son' I mean a descendent of his; a thousand year old man would certainly be related to almost everyone by now (and I can use the much-shorter lived Ghengis Khan as a RW example of how easilly one's genetics can get spread around).

So perhaps Lashan wasn't so crazy after all?

Great find, Dazzerdal.

EDIT: And a question just poped into my head, related to all this: Has Elminster ever had to 'put down' (however you want to interpret that) someone he was related to?

If 'yes', I can't even imagine how that affects him.

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The Hooded One
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Posted - 05 Jan 2014 :  22:58:25  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, fellow scribes.
Whew. You've been BUSY, this weekend.

Let's begin with xaeyruudh. Re. this: "Was Aumar "the Lion" (a guard captain of Silverymoon, father of Elsura Dauniir) descended from the Aumar family... or perhaps from servants of the family?"

Ed saith:

YES, he's descended from the Aumar family. From Elminster, in fact. A story I hope to get around to someday.

Then xaeyruudh asked: "Also related to naming, but probably not to Elminster: In one place in the Ruins of Zhentil Keep box (p 61 of the Campaign Book) Chess is named Chess Calkontor. Elsewhere he's noted as the son of Calkontor, but no last name is given. Did he in fact use his father's name as a last name, and is it typical/acceptable for Zhents (or Moonsea folk, or a larger group) to take the father's given name as a last name without any sort of "son of" prefix or other such designation?"

Ed saith: No, it's not typical/acceptable for Zhents or others to just take a father's given name as a surname without a "son of" designation. However, Lord Chess is an unusual case. His father was the founder of the Zhent "noble house" (as, in his father was one of the Zhents who called themselves "lords" for the first time, and were accepted in this by the populace), so Chess's father, Malanxh Calkontor Chess Dorrim, wanting to distinguish himself from the many related Dorrim families of Zhentil Keep and the surrounding lands, became "Lord Calkontor." Chess, the son, became Lord Calkontor in turn, but wanted to distinguish himself from his murderous, much-hated, now-dead father, and so called himself "Lord Chess," although formally he was Lord Chess Calkontor, and sometimes admitted to being "Chess son of Calkontor" when discussing what rights and powers he should have as a noble (being as his claim to those rights and powers arose out of his parentage).

We now pass on to Markustay, and this: "Has Elminster ever had to 'put down' (however you want to interpret that) someone he was related to?"

Ed saith: Oh, yes. More than once. Details later. Perhaps much, much later, because there are NDAs to stickhandle around, in some cases.

Which brings us to dazzlerdal, and this: "Hi Ed, Just been reading over various books and came across Lashan's surname; Aumersair, which I have come across many times before but then I had an epiphany. It struck me that when prounounced out loud, Aumersair is a corruption of Aumer's heir. Which in turn could be a corruption of Aumar's heir (as in Elminster Aumar). I'm sure this is just me reading something of nothing but is there any familial connection with Lashan's and Elminster's family tree (although given Elminster's age and fecundity he is probably related to half of Faerun by now). Oh and I apologise if this has already been asked but it is the first time I have ever had anything to ask Ed so I was pretty damn excited...If only it was one of the last open secrets staring everyone in the face in the OGB. That would make my decade, and it would mean I could stop looking for it in that book."

Ed saith: A tip of the hat, indeed. Consider your decade made. You HAVE stumbled across one of the last open secrets sitting on the pages of the OGB for everyone to find. Well done! Lashan IS distantly related to Elminster, and Aumersairs before him have served as Harpers, have fought as Purple Dragons for earlier Kings of Cormyr, and have been adventurers who retired to Waterdeep to run taverns and inns friendly to adventurers. Oh, and one of them wed an elf and their descendants dwelt happily in Semberholme for nigh a century (before the Time of Troubles warfare caused some elven migrations from that haven). More tales to be told there, too. So bravo, dazzlerdal!
Damian, I will soon get to your 2014 query, and xaeyruudh's heraldic offices question, too. Just rushing to finish something before I start cooking dinner.
(Guess I'd better decide what dinner is going to be. ;} )

So saith Ed. Wheee, a happy revealed Realmslore moment!
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xaeyruudh
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Posted - 05 Jan 2014 :  23:11:25  Show Profile  Visit xaeyruudh's Homepage Send xaeyruudh a Private Message
Thank you!

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Jeremy Grenemyer
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Congrats, dazzlerdal!

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Markustay
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Posted - 05 Jan 2014 :  23:39:33  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message
Great answers, all. Thank you once again for the wonderful lore.

Oh, and just a note - I don't mean Elminster's original family members - all that nastiness that went on with his uncles back in Athalantar.

I meant since that time... but I am sure Ed realizes that.

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Foxhelm
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Posted - 06 Jan 2014 :  02:37:46  Show Profile  Click to see Foxhelm's MSN Messenger address  Send Foxhelm a Yahoo! Message Send Foxhelm a Private Message
Quick but weird question. What materials, both magical and non-magical, are a good conductor of energy? Especially lightning/electricity?

Thanks.

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kysus
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hello THO
So I have found another question that has picked my interest of late and was wondering if either you or Ed could help me with it. It comes from Volo's guide to the north on page 41 on the banshee Agatha. Volo states that its a corruption of the elven surname Auglathla and i was wondering if ed had anymore information on this family of elves or if it was just something volo made up to give more importance to Agatha? I kinda get the feeling that at one point this was an important family or a family that had elves on importance as members for Agatha to have that name instead of using her given name. And happy new year btw.
Oh and sorry if this question has been asked already, as my search-fuu is very lacking. :)
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Markustay
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Thats the one near Conyberry, right?

I think she made an appearance in a Drizzt novel. IIRC, Drizzt and Wulfgar had some business with her, but I can't remember any of the details.

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hashimashadoo
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Posted - 06 Jan 2014 :  08:25:19  Show Profile  Visit hashimashadoo's Homepage  Click to see hashimashadoo's MSN Messenger address Send hashimashadoo a Private Message
She did make an appearance in the Halfling's Gem where Drizzt and Wulfgar stole a magic mask from her (then later returned it). The North's entry on Agatha's Grove mentions that Auglathla is an old elven dialect word meaning 'Winterbreeze'.

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dazzlerdal
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Posted - 06 Jan 2014 :  13:03:31  Show Profile Send dazzlerdal a Private Message
Thankyou very much Ed and THO, if i wasnt poor and living in England i might take a plane over to you just for a big hug.

I'm guessing several things here then, but they are more my own musings than actual questions (feel free to let me know if i hit any on the mark though).

1 - that the Aumersair's are the descendants of Elminsters eldest male child from a time not too distant of Athalanter.

2 - Elminster probably had a hand in Lashan's downfall even though i bet it was a bitter course of action for him to take.

3 - Manshoon undoubtedly knew of Lashan's and Scyllua Darkhope's ancestry and i bet he delighted in knowing and in some cases helping/forcing them to serve the cause of evil and the Zhentarim.

Poor Elminster, i bet he had his revenge somehow though.


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Hawkfeather
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Posted - 06 Jan 2014 :  23:58:05  Show Profile  Visit Hawkfeather's Homepage Send Hawkfeather a Private Message
Greetings, Ed and THO!

Since Auril demands her clergy to "quench fire wherever it is found", is it forbidden to them to light a fire in any circumstances? I'm thinking more specifically in cooking related situations. Are they permitted to consume only raw or fresh food? Also, are they permitted to use fire as light source?

Thanks!

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The Hooded One
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Posted - 07 Jan 2014 :  00:42:06  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hello again, all.
Hawkfeather, off your question goes to Ed, but I recall two instances of clergy of Auril cooking, from play with Ed as DM, that involved the sun (cut and dressed meat placed between shiny metal plates on a sunbaked roof, and cooking on stones that had been heated all day in the same way, then brought inside into a "warm-pit" or stone-lined hole in the floor with an insulated wooden lid - - both of which mean there's no prohibition on cooked food.
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The Hooded One
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Posted - 07 Jan 2014 :  00:48:11  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
...And it's housekeeping time.

Markustay, yes, Ed realizes that. So his reply references killings he's had to do since he left Athalantar.

dazzlerdal, I can confirm that Ed would answer your #1 and your #2 with "yes," in both cases.

kysus, Volo was not making it up, Ed has some short notes on the elven family, and everything other scribes have mentioned is correct/true. So, lore coming from Ed...sometime.

Foxhelm, I can tell you just from my general knowledge that gold and copper are GREAT electrical conductors, glass is not (though it will conduct heat, and can be melted/fused by a sufficiently powerful electrical discharge/lightning bolt), and of course water is the insidious conductor.

And I must run. Real life beckons, I'm afraid.
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quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

...And it's housekeeping time.

Markustay, yes, Ed realizes that. So his reply references killings he's had to do since he left Athalantar.

dazzlerdal, I can confirm that Ed would answer your #1 and your #2 with "yes," in both cases.

kysus, Volo was not making it up, Ed has some short notes on the elven family, and everything other scribes have mentioned is correct/true. So, lore coming from Ed...sometime.

Foxhelm, I can tell you just from my general knowledge that gold and copper are GREAT electrical conductors, glass is not (though it will conduct heat, and can be melted/fused by a sufficiently powerful electrical discharge/lightning bolt), and of course water is the insidious conductor.

And I must run. Real life beckons, I'm afraid.
love to all,
THO




Yes, but I was wondering about special materials only existing in a fantasy setting like the Realms.

Researching it, I came across the metal Orichalcum (reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orichalcum). Originally from the Greek for Mountain Copper or Mountain Metal, translated into the Roman as Gold Copper, it's mythological element which could be useful in my use.

My question then comes, does Orichalcum or something like it exist in the realms (naturally or unnaturally)? Is there any lore with the material if it does exist? Linked to certain races or cultures? Does it exist on Toril, Abeir, the planes, or a mix of the previous?

Anything would be of help, please and thank you.

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The Sage
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Foxhelm, I'll note/remind you that you've previously asked Ed a question about Orichalcum in the Realms back in 2007. To which he has yet to respond.


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quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

Foxhelm, I'll note/remind you that you've previously asked Ed a question about Orichalcum in the Realms back in 2007. To which he has yet to respond.


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Sorry. Forgot.

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Happy New Year THO and Ed!

Ed, in your latest Forging the Realms column (titled "The Eye Tyrantís Predicament"), you introduce the beholder word "merthrim" (meaning lesser and expendable beings).

Can you tell me if that word is from Uibilaqthraxx or from some other as yet unnamed beholder language?

My guess is Uibilaqthraxx, but I'm not sure how many "old tongues" of the beholders there are.

Thank you both very much!

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quote:
Originally posted by Foxhelm

quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

Foxhelm, I'll note/remind you that you've previously asked Ed a question about Orichalcum in the Realms back in 2007. To which he has yet to respond.


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Sorry. Forgot.

No worries.

I know from my own experience asking questions for Ed to answer... we can sometimes forget/overlook previously asked queries. Especially when we all get caught up with something Ed's written.

Ah, well.

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Posted - 07 Jan 2014 :  22:22:21  Show Profile  Visit Hawkfeather's Homepage Send Hawkfeather a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hello again, all.
Hawkfeather, off your question goes to Ed, but I recall two instances of clergy of Auril cooking, from play with Ed as DM, that involved the sun (cut and dressed meat placed between shiny metal plates on a sunbaked roof, and cooking on stones that had been heated all day in the same way, then brought inside into a "warm-pit" or stone-lined hole in the floor with an insulated wooden lid - - both of which mean there's no prohibition on cooked food.
love,
THO



Thanks for your answer, dear THO! I'll wait for Ed's reply, but yours make me wondering: the techniques you cited can only be used in summer/warm periods. So how do the priests cook in winter time or in regions like the Great Glacier? I'd appreciate if Ed could shine a light on this topic as well.

Oh! Another related question: If there are any restrictions on the use of fire for the priets, would the faithfull suffer the same restrictions (for cooking, illumination, heat source, and even metal working)?

Thank you again!

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Optics.

You ever kill an ant with a magnifying glass?

I would assume Auril's priesthood could conjure a gem-like lens from ice.

EDIT: also, my RW knowledge of heating & AC comes into play - energy (Heat in this case) can neither be created nor destroyed. Thus, when you create ice (or any type of cold), what you are really doing is channeling the heat out of the object to 'elsewhere'. A cleric of Auril could probably channel the 'unwanted heat' out of something, and re-direct it into her food.

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quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

Optics.

You ever kill an ant with a magnifying glass?

I would assume Auril's priesthood could conjure a gem-like lens from ice.

EDIT: also, my RW knowledge of heating & AC comes into play - energy (Heat in this case) can neither be created nor destroyed. Thus, when you create ice (or any type of cold), what you are really doing is channeling the heat out of the object to 'elsewhere'. A cleric of Auril could probably channel the 'unwanted heat' out of something, and re-direct it into her food.



Interesting idea, but the 2nd edition Faiths & Avatars says that Aurils's clergy couldn't cast spells that created fire. Ok, the "unwanted heat" wouldn't be fire, but I think it would be against her dogma anyway. But it's food for thoughts anyway! Perhaps we could create a new topic to discuss this ideas, so we don't fill Ed's topic with unrelated posts. I remember that due Auril's Embrace, her clerics didn't need as much food as ordinary people, so maybe here lies their secret.
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don't know if it was overlooked or not when the thread was locked but:

Where did Tyr show up during the time of troubles???

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quote:
Originally posted by sfdragon

don't know if it was overlooked or not when the thread was locked but:

Where did Tyr show up during the time of troubles???



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