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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore

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Posted - 22 Oct 2014 :  21:00:32  Show Profile Send Fellfire a Private Message
And one more, please. I saw Mr. Greenwood's name in the credits of the wiki page for Clan Morueme. Was this clan of blue dragons, in fact, his brainchild? If so, are there other, similar draconic dynasties? I am particularly looking for green dragons, but am curious about any.

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Mercurius
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Posted - 23 Oct 2014 :  16:48:03  Show Profile Send Mercurius a Private Message
Alright, I'll jump in with a question--forgive me if this has been asked and answered before. I started a thread on it, but was directed here. To get to it:

How is pre-TSR and/or your current "personal" Realms different from the published versions? I know that the Moonshaes and Bloodstone Lands were later editions, but I'm curious what your Forgotten Realms is like (and would love to see a map, but that is probably too much to ask...). Or is this non-disclosure territory?

Thanks!
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Duneth Despana
Learned Scribe

Belgium
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Posted - 24 Oct 2014 :  13:35:28  Show Profile Send Duneth Despana a Private Message
Heya THO and Ed!

I originally started this scroll http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19667 looking for information on clan Auzkovyn (especially their time in the Underdark and High Forest before arriving to Cormanthor) but in my searches stumbled upon other mentions of vhaeraunites in the High Forest; Misstyre's band (the passage in 'The North' mentioning him being written by either Steven Schend or Ed if I understand correctly), an enclave of the Dragon's Hoard and drow following or being manipulated by Dheembleth (?).

So, depending on how long an answer I'm allowed, my question is:

Where did clan Auzkovyn originally come from? Do they have a clan glyph/symbol? If yes, what does it look like? > What can you tell me about clan Auzkovyn? > what can you tell me about vhaeraunites in the High Forest? > what can you tell me about drow in the High Forest? > what can you tell me about the High Forest (the last tier echoing Markus Taylor's question) ;-P?

Since this is my first So Saith Ed post I would like to personally thank Ed for sparking (more like fireballing) the creation of the shared universe we can all enjoy, through books, tabletop rpgs, videogames, audiobooks, comics and just pure old daydreaming.
Thank you too THO for relaying all these questions and answers.

All the best to both of you.


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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 24 Oct 2014 :  18:55:25  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all.
Yes, Ed created Morueme and brood. Yes, there are other clans, details to come in time...
Mercurius, your question has been asked and answered many times. In short, the Bloodstone lands were added, and Ed's Hebrides/Earthsea island-like Moonshaes replaced by the continent-like Doug Niles Moonshaes (with Ed's agreement). Ed's original maps can't be shared for TSR/WotC legal reasons, but they're not much different from the 2e published maps (minus KaraTur and Maztica).
You would recognize Ed's original Realms as "the" published Realms of 2e, 3e, and 3.5e...
love,
THO
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Mercurius
Acolyte

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Posted - 25 Oct 2014 :  01:55:17  Show Profile Send Mercurius a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hi again, all.
Yes, Ed created Morueme and brood. Yes, there are other clans, details to come in time...
Mercurius, your question has been asked and answered many times. In short, the Bloodstone lands were added, and Ed's Hebrides/Earthsea island-like Moonshaes replaced by the continent-like Doug Niles Moonshaes (with Ed's agreement). Ed's original maps can't be shared for TSR/WotC legal reasons, but they're not much different from the 2e published maps (minus KaraTur and Maztica).
You would recognize Ed's original Realms as "the" published Realms of 2e, 3e, and 3.5e...
love,
THO



Thanks!

A follow-up question: How did (does) Ed envision Abeir-Toril beyond Faerun? As you said, Kara-Tur and Maztica wouldn't be there, and presumably not Zakhara/Al-Qadim, but what about Osse, Katashaka, and Anchorome? What's east of Thay?
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Rymac
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Posted - 25 Oct 2014 :  05:26:24  Show Profile  Visit Rymac's Homepage Send Rymac a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Mercurius
Thanks!

A follow-up question: How did (does) Ed envision Abeir-Toril beyond Faerun? As you said, Kara-Tur and Maztica wouldn't be there, and presumably not Zakhara/Al-Qadim, but what about Osse, Katashaka, and Anchorome? What's east of Thay?



I'm not as up-to-date as THO's knowledge of the Realms, but some of this is answered in Ed's Ed Greenwood Presents Elminster's Forgotten Realms. According to Ed's notes at the time, Thay was a "China/Far-Eastern empire of mystery and menace." Calimshan and lands further south were the place to find the Realms' "Middle East/Arabian Nights." Interestingly, Ed also speculated that Anauroch was a possible location for the Desert of Desolation series.
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xaeyruudh
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Posted - 25 Oct 2014 :  06:42:21  Show Profile  Visit xaeyruudh's Homepage Send xaeyruudh a Private Message
I suspect that this may have been asked before, and if so I shall make a more dedicated search of the previous scrolls.

Lantanna is used in the gray box to describe the people of Lantan... but I've also seen Lantanese used this way in other sources. Also, there's at least once use of Lantar to describe ships. This last one is confusing since Lantar is also a title for a certain member of the Ayrorch.

So... what's the correct usage of these words? Are Lantanna and Lantanese interchangeable (maybe just in common speech by folks from other realms)?

Also, I notice that the members of the Ayrorch circa 1357 are all given only one name. Is this typical, or are these just first or last names for the sake of keeping the list brief?

Thank you, as always!
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Fellfire
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Posted - 25 Oct 2014 :  15:37:39  Show Profile Send Fellfire a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hi again, all.
Yes, Ed created Morueme and brood. Yes, there are other clans, details to come in time...
Mercurius, your question has been asked and answered many times. In short, the Bloodstone lands were added, and Ed's Hebrides/Earthsea island-like Moonshaes replaced by the continent-like Doug Niles Moonshaes (with Ed's agreement). Ed's original maps can't be shared for TSR/WotC legal reasons, but they're not much different from the 2e published maps (minus KaraTur and Maztica).
You would recognize Ed's original Realms as "the" published Realms of 2e, 3e, and 3.5e...
love,
THO



Thanks THO, can't wait

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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 25 Oct 2014 :  19:39:15  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all.
This time, answers from my notes and a quick chat with Ed, for xaeyruudh's queries: "Lantanna is used in the gray box to describe the people of Lantan... but I've also seen Lantanese used this way in other sources. Also, there's at least once use of Lantar to describe ships. This last one is confusing since Lantar is also a title for a certain member of the Ayrorch.
So... what's the correct usage of these words? Are Lantanna and Lantanese interchangeable (maybe just in common speech by folks from other realms)?
Also, I notice that the members of the Ayrorch circa 1357 are all given only one name. Is this typical, or are these just first or last names for the sake of keeping the list brief?
Thank you, as always!"

So, here we go. If one is being as proper and pedantic as a sage, "Lantanna" are the people, and "Lantanese" is something made in Lantan or recognizably from Lantan, such as a garment or sort of wine or cheese. However, over time, sloppiness in everyday speech on the part of folk from elsewhere in the Realms has made the two terms both mean the collective "people of Lantan" or that an individual is from Lantan, and the term "Lantar" has begun to be used for "things from/of Lantan." Such shifts and changes happen in all living languages, the Common Tongue in the Realms very much so.
And the names of 1357 DR-era Ayrorch members are like real-world popes or English monarchs: they have their own longer names, but choose to serve or reign under a single name that may or may not have anything directly do with their "usual" names.
(And yes, that Lantar overlap is confusing and therefore regrettable.)
love,
THO
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 25 Oct 2014 :  19:52:51  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
. . . And I'm back, with a little more for Mercurius, re. these: "A follow-up question: How did (does) Ed envision Abeir-Toril beyond Faerun? As you said, Kara-Tur and Maztica wouldn't be there, and presumably not Zakhara/Al-Qadim, but what about Osse, Katashaka, and Anchorome? What's east of Thay?"

In Ed's original Realms, there were huge landmasses east of Thay (Sossal, Raurin, Durpar, and the trade roads, just as in the published Realms), and mountain ranges and unmapped lands beyond the Utter East (east and south). Zakhara did exist, as an Arabian-like hot desert with oases and verdant mountain valleys region, though not under that name, and Anchorome, the archipelago one could go island-hopping through, was Ed's creation and was in the original Realms (it was used in a 1979-era campaign run by Ed). A landmass would be found where Maztica is, just not an overtly Mayan/etc. real-world one, and the continent Ed added as Laerakond existed in somewhat different form, that included jungles of the sort found in Katashka.
(In general, Ed's original Realms did not model real-world analogues as closely as the published Realms ended up doing.)
love,
THO

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Demzer
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Posted - 25 Oct 2014 :  19:54:34  Show Profile Send Demzer a Private Message
Gracious Lady, Revered Master,

is there any detail you can spare about the warring families of the Land of Two Princes in the Border Kingdoms? Can you give us brief descriptions of important/interesting family members (both Amcorth and Meldrist) around the 1370s DR?
Some related questions:
- What caused the two original knights to be exiled from Cormyr?
- Is it possible for members of either family to go back to Cormyr and "cleanse their names" during Alusair's regency or are they beyond any chance of royal forgiveness?
- Have members of the two families ever worked together to bring the feud to an end and rule jointly (in one way or another)?
- Has there ever been a "Romeo and Juliet" situation (maybe without suicides)?
- Who enforced the rules of the Hunt through magic?
- Are there renowned veterans of either side of the Hunt roaming wider Faerun around the 1370s DR?
- Do all the various mercenary trainers of Gallard work with both families, either or neither?

Thanks!
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Duneth Despana
Learned Scribe

Belgium
258 Posts

Posted - 26 Oct 2014 :  01:37:48  Show Profile Send Duneth Despana a Private Message
I hope it's not bad manners to ask another question before receiving an answer on the first, but, does Amn have a national coat-of-arms? if yes what does it look like?

quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

When I think about it, I'm not sure that I was right way back in 2008 when I mentioned the possibility of Ed giving us this info.

I'd ping him on his thread to see what the answer is.

-- George Krashos


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Knightfall
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Posted - 26 Oct 2014 :  08:10:48  Show Profile  Visit Knightfall's Homepage Send Knightfall a Private Message
I have more Realmsian questions for THO and Ed.

I'm wondering what Real World games exist in Toril -- besides the standard gambling games. What about other card and board games? Cribbage and/or bridge, for example? And what about sports in the Realms? Does cricket exist on Toril? What about something like lacrosse? (I'm assuming that the more popular North American sports don't exist in the Realms. Although, soccer hooligans would be a fun encounter, once.) Does the Realms have its own version of the Olympics?

And since I'm eager for Waterdeep lore, what non-gambling games are popular in the city? What sporting events would be suitable for a campaign set Waterdeep?

Thank you for considering my questions,

KF72

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Penknight
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Posted - 27 Oct 2014 :  11:49:26  Show Profile Send Penknight a Private Message
One I would like to add, if that is alright. If you're an elf from Evermeet, what are you called? Evermeetian, or something else? I honestly can't figure out what they would be called, and I've been trying to for about a week now. :-)

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 27 Oct 2014 :  12:24:03  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Penknight

One I would like to add, if that is alright. If you're an elf from Evermeet, what are you called? Evermeetian, or something else? I honestly can't figure out what they would be called, and I've been trying to for about a week now. :-)



Pretty sure I've seen "Everaer" somewhere (or maybe "Everaen"), but I could be mistaken. Obviously, we'll have to wait for Ed or his lovely Hooded assistant to chime in.

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DM Novus
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Posted - 27 Oct 2014 :  15:56:48  Show Profile Send DM Novus a Private Message
Hoping that maybe this can get considered by Ed. Thank you in advance.

quote:
Originally posted by DM Novus

Hello,
Does anyone have additional information related to 1351: Year of the Crown…and as it relates to the Sword Coast of Faerun region?

So far, I have collected this:

1. 1351 DR: unnamed plague spreads in Baldur's Gate, following the discover of Larloch's lair (Grand History p.140)

2. Warlock's Crypt [-399], home of the terrible Larloch, is discovered on the Sword Coast by explorerers, and the few survivors bring plague to the city of Baldur's Gate.((Brian R. James and Ed Greenwood (September, 2007). The Grand History of the Realms, p. 140. Wizards of the Coast.)

3. Warlock's Crypt discovered. Plague in Baldur's Gate. (Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting)

A group of us DMs are trying to plan for a number of campaigns taking place in the year 1351, and any and all details we could scrounge up would be great to help flesh out the campaigns…before we just go ahead and detail them out ourselves.

Anyone have advice? I've also posted this to Questions for Ed…hoping something from the man himself can be learned.

Thank you.





If possible, an answer could be posted to this Topic in Sages of Realmslore: http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19708

http://www.bgtscc1.com

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Penknight
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by Penknight

One I would like to add, if that is alright. If you're an elf from Evermeet, what are you called? Evermeetian, or something else? I honestly can't figure out what they would be called, and I've been trying to for about a week now. :-)



Pretty sure I've seen "Everaer" somewhere (or maybe "Everaen"), but I could be mistaken. Obviously, we'll have to wait for Ed or his lovely Hooded assistant to chime in.


Oh? Very interesting! I've never come across anything in the reading I've done. I'm interested to hear from Lady THO and Mr. Greenwood, but I thank you for your insight!

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 28 Oct 2014 :  03:30:17  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message
Scratch that, it goes back further!

http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6216

quote:
Originally posted by ericlboyd

And then Ed sent a serious answer:

They are "Everaer." This means "elves born on Evermeet who choose to
remain there" (not counting brief forays to the mainland), NOT "anyone who visits Evermeet from time to time." (So Florin and Dove weren't "Everaer.")

--Eric


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Penknight
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

Scratch that, it goes back further!

http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6216

quote:
Originally posted by ericlboyd

And then Ed sent a serious answer:

They are "Everaer." This means "elves born on Evermeet who choose to
remain there" (not counting brief forays to the mainland), NOT "anyone who visits Evermeet from time to time." (So Florin and Dove weren't "Everaer.")

--Eric




Wow! Thanks Wooly! That's one that I'm very grateful to have answered!

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xaeyruudh
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Dearest THO, does Ed have a name for the sahuagin language? If there's more than one, perhaps the one that might be used in the Alamber Sea? But if you have another in your notes I would love that too! Thank you both!
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by Penknight

One I would like to add, if that is alright. If you're an elf from Evermeet, what are you called? Evermeetian, or something else? I honestly can't figure out what they would be called, and I've been trying to for about a week now. :-)



Pretty sure I've seen "Everaer" somewhere (or maybe "Everaen"), but I could be mistaken. Obviously, we'll have to wait for Ed or his lovely Hooded assistant to chime in.

I still preferred Eric's first choice:-
quote:
Evermeeters are boring elves punished in the afterlife by being forced to stand in an endless greeting line, shaking hands with each and every elf that ever lived.

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quote:
Originally posted by xaeyruudh

Dearest THO, does Ed have a name for the sahuagin language? If there's more than one, perhaps the one that might be used in the Alamber Sea? But if you have another in your notes I would love that too! Thank you both!

I actually thought Steven Schend hinted at a name for the sahuagin language in Sea of Fallen Stars. But a quick and hasty scan of the PDF at work doesn't immediately bring up anything pertinent. Unless I read it somewhere else...

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quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

. . . And I'm back, with a little more for Mercurius, re. these: "A follow-up question: How did (does) Ed envision Abeir-Toril beyond Faerun? As you said, Kara-Tur and Maztica wouldn't be there, and presumably not Zakhara/Al-Qadim, but what about Osse, Katashaka, and Anchorome? What's east of Thay?"

In Ed's original Realms, there were huge landmasses east of Thay (Sossal, Raurin, Durpar, and the trade roads, just as in the published Realms), and mountain ranges and unmapped lands beyond the Utter East (east and south). Zakhara did exist, as an Arabian-like hot desert with oases and verdant mountain valleys region, though not under that name, and Anchorome, the archipelago one could go island-hopping through, was Ed's creation and was in the original Realms (it was used in a 1979-era campaign run by Ed). A landmass would be found where Maztica is, just not an overtly Mayan/etc. real-world one, and the continent Ed added as Laerakond existed in somewhat different form, that included jungles of the sort found in Katashka.
(In general, Ed's original Realms did not model real-world analogues as closely as the published Realms ended up doing.)
love,
THO





Dear THO, thank you for your answers. I would like to follow up on this one and ask you and Ed a further question: while not imitating real world cultures, Faerun has a vague or loose European renaissance medieval feel, and there were Arabian-like lands; and so I wonder if the lands found where Maztica is (or was, who knows now), while not "overtly" Mayan, as you said, had a vague native or aboriginal (South or Central) American feel. Thanks!
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Jeremy Grenemyer
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Well again THO and Ed,

Ed, around the time the Steel Regent took power in Cormyr, what is believed to be the oldest serving ship in the Blue Dragon fleet? Could you tell us a little bit about it?

As always thank you both very much.

Look for me and my content at EN World (user name: sanishiver).

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Where do the dwarves of Glen get the dragon eggs from? (and don't say "female dragons" )

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