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xaeyruudh
Master of Realmslore

USA
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Posted - 02 Jan 2014 :  05:54:09  Show Profile  Visit xaeyruudh's Homepage Send xaeyruudh a Private Message
I so enjoy it when Christmas lasts for a week!

I'm trying to nail down Ilygelther's crazy house(s) and I thought I'd ask for some more precise directions.

"no less than six buildings on either side of the north end of Brondar’s Way" you say.

I see (on the 1109 map) five buildings on the east side of Brondar's Way, north of the Nandar villa -- "westfront" is the word, right? Then there are four on the other side, between the Ulbrinter and Maerklos villas. And of course there are several on the north side of Delzorin Street, which could serve as well. Which of these should I note as being filled with hipsters? (all grins, no offense to anyone!)

And while I have you, my wordsmith of ineffable awesomeness, what are the names of the alleys in these two blocks?

  1. goes northward from the Nandar villa to Delzorin Street

  2. goes east-west between Vhezoar Street and Brondar's Way and southward to the Maerklos villa

  3. makes a "driveway" for the Maerklos and Nandar villas, beginning at Sulmor Street, running north and quickly east to end at Whaelgond Way


Edited by - xaeyruudh on 02 Jan 2014 05:56:49
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The Sage
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Posted - 02 Jan 2014 :  15:45:36  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

You don't say, Wooly. My, my . . .

I think our lovely Lady Hooded One knows exactly WHICH Moderator is the most handsome.

*wink*

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The Sage
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quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

MANSHIARA I would go for (as an offshoot of Manshoon). But not Mashiara.
Thank you, my lady.

Now I'm thinking of Manshoon going through a similar "Elmara/Elminster" gender switch whereupon the Lord of the Zhentarim suddenly finds himself forced by Mystra into the female guise of Manshiara.

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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

5036 Posts

Posted - 02 Jan 2014 :  18:11:13  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Heh. THAT sounds like fun.

And Ed has just sent me what he says is the last adventurers' club of Waterdeep, for Marco Volo and indeed the rest of us. Hearken, then...


The High House of Heroes: This grandiosely named adventurers’ club usually gets politely nicknamed “Heroes High” in everyday converse, and is less politely referred to as “Low Heroes” or just “the Low.”
This club is located in a rundown but formerly grand mansion in North Ward, on eastfront Nindabar Street four doors north of Suldown Street (formerly known as “Suldoun,” and older citizens and one or two older signs preserve the older name; BTW, street signs in Waterdeep are posted on the sides of corner buildings [[or their walls, if they stand inside walled compounds, as many nobles’ villas do]] above the level of street-level awnings or window and door rain-dormer roofs). It has a staff of just over thirty, and a membership of almost six hundred, and is the closest thing to a “soulless hotel” among Waterdhavian adventurers’ clubs, with a professionally polite and distant staff, bare-bones amenities, and an accent on privacy (as in, “I don’t want to know why you’re dragging that dead body up to your room, or carrying that severed head; none of my business, and if I don’t know I can’t tell, so eyes right and remember nothing and the shift will unfold just fine and I’ll get my pay”).
With that said, every room has an ensuite bathing tub and jakes, a small cooking-hearth with chimney (the shared flues of these chimneys soar up through the club to emerge from the roof and soar above it like a cluster of slender stone towers, giving the mansion the appearance of a gigantic stone high-spired crown), a sturdy table, good beds and linens, and three stout bolts that can be slid across the inside of the door (all door hinges can be removed from the outside, so the bolts are a delaying tactic, not true security).
The club is run by a council (we real-world moderns might use the term “board of directors,” because that’s exactly how it functions, with voting, rules of order at meetings, and so on) that’s largely composed of retired- or semi-retired adventurers who’ve invested in the club. The High House is run by the charismatic, diplomatic Waterdhavian wine merchant and landlord, a middle-aged and somewhat portly man who possesses rugged good looks, white daggerboard sideburns, and a dizzyingly long list of lovers (from tough Dock Ward tavernmaids to bored noble ladies of Sea Ward, and everything in between). He smoothes over the worst disputes and “troubles” among the High House clients, often by fetching forth good wine and cheese from his private cellars (and sometimes by persuading one of his lady friends to “comfort” someone), and generally keeps things moving along in his charmingly sleazy way.
As a longtime member told Elminster: “No one exactly loves the Low, but many adventurers find it useful.”


So saith Ed, and there you have it!
love to all,
THO
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Jeremy Grenemyer
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USA
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Posted - 02 Jan 2014 :  18:17:43  Show Profile Send Jeremy Grenemyer a Private Message
Hello THO,

Did the name of the wine merchant/landlord that runs the High House get left out?

Look for me and my content at EN World (user name: sanishiver).
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

5036 Posts

Posted - 02 Jan 2014 :  18:31:43  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi, xaeyruudh! Ask for lore, and ye shall receive!
So… “I'm trying to nail down Ilygelther's crazy house(s) and I thought I'd ask for some more precise directions.

"no less than six buildings on either side of the north end of Brondar’s Way" you say.

I see (on the 1109 map) five buildings on the east side of Brondar's Way, north of the Nandar villa -- "westfront" is the word, right? Then there are four on the other side, between the Ulbrinter and Maerklos villas. And of course there are several on the north side of Delzorin Street, which could serve as well. Which of these should I note as being filled with hipsters? (all grins, no offense to anyone!)

And while I have you, my wordsmith of ineffable awesomeness, what are the names of the alleys in these two blocks?

goes northward from the Nandar villa to Delzorin Street

goes east-west between Vhezoar Street and Brondar's Way and southward to the Maerklos villa

makes a "driveway" for the Maerklos and Nandar villas, beginning at Sulmor Street, running north and quickly east to end at Whaelgond Way


Okay, here we go; Ed filtered through me (which is a gently arousing feeling, believe me ).
Those five buildings you refer to are eastfront (that is, fronting on the east side of Brondar’s Way), not westfront. The four buildings between the Ulbrinter and Maerklos villas are westfront.
Yes? So, Ilygelther’s House at its height took in the northernmost pair of the westfront quartet, and the southernmost trio (closest to the Nandar villa) of the eastfront quintet.
Now, alley names:

North from the back gate of the Nandar villa to Delzorin Street: Nandar’s Ride

East-west between Vhezoar Street and Brondar’s Way with a “tee” south to the Maerklos villa back gate: Mhaershimmer Mews
(named for a long-ago wizard who dwelt in a now-vanished shack that stood on the eastfront of the southward leg of this alley)

The curving lane between Sulmor Street and Whaelgond Way, that crosses Brondar’s Way and hosts the front gates of both the Maerklos and Nandar villas:
Thalambur’s Trot
(Thalaumbur is a long-dead wealthy merchant who once owned most of the “block” of buildings enclosed by the Trot and Sulmor Street; BTW, Sulmor is pronounced “Sul-MOOR,” and Sedmond Sulmor was once a very wealthy merchant wannabe-noble who tried to get ennobled several times but was shunned; a cold, calculating villain of a man, he attempted to purchase lichdom for himself, and likely succeeded, though his fate is unknown, and he hasn’t been seen in Waterdeep for almost three centuries)


Heh. Prodding Ed for Realmslore is FUN.
Enjoy!
love to all,
THO
P.S. If you want to share the results of your recent PM here in this thread, please do, by all means. (And it's okay, too, if you rather not.)

Edited by - The Hooded One on 02 Jan 2014 18:34:45
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire

USA
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Posted - 02 Jan 2014 :  18:52:04  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message
Thank you for the response, and all the other Realmslore Ed has been supplying (despite his completely insane schedule). If it makes him (and you) feel any better, we are supposed to get hit with a Blizzard in a little while, so I'll be 'feeling Canadian' for few days. Because I live in such a rural area, it took a week for them to plow our road after last year's blizzard (so that stuff happens 'down here' as well).

I also like 'Manshiara'; needs maybe another 'r' or 'a' somewhere, though.

Here's to hoping Ed (and others) get to write about stuff in the past, one way or another. Cheers.

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone


Edited by - Markustay on 02 Jan 2014 18:54:25
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xaeyruudh
Master of Realmslore

USA
1726 Posts

Posted - 02 Jan 2014 :  18:58:02  Show Profile  Visit xaeyruudh's Homepage Send xaeyruudh a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hi, xaeyruudh! Ask for lore, and ye shall receive!


Giddy. The word of the day is giddy.


quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Okay, here we go; Ed filtered through me (which is a gently arousing feeling, believe me ).


Well, what you do here is more-than-gently arousing.


quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Those five buildings you refer to are eastfront.


Ah. I thought it was based on the which way the front of the building faced, rather than the direction from the street. *Educated.*

Thank you very much for the clarifications!


quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

P.S. If you want to share the results of your recent PM here in this thread, please do, by all means. (And it's okay, too, if you rather not.)


THO's first reply in the 2013 thread mentioned "bluewood." I thought perhaps "blueleaf" was intended, and I didn't make anything of it until now. I didn't want to sound like an insufferable pouncer-of-potential-typos in front of everyone, so I PM'd asking if they were the same thing. The reply is:

quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Same species. "Bluewoods" is the term given to young shoots and saplings, that are the height of bushes, because these young trees don't develop full leaves (the famous "blueleafs") but just half-curled leaflets.


In the future, I shall go ahead and pounce. Particularly on THO.
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paladinnicolas
Learned Scribe

84 Posts

Posted - 02 Jan 2014 :  19:08:29  Show Profile Send paladinnicolas a Private Message
First of all, I would like to wish all of you a very happy new year and thank both Ed and THO for being so helpful and friendly. My first 2014 question is one with which I'd like to ask some advice to better DM in the Realms. I am quite used to Eberron, my other favorite campaign setting (whose creator, Keith Baker, is also very friendly and I admire his work and closeness to fans as Ed's). Because of this, I often make my Eberron players not know who to side with, since even noble or good organizations can commit misdeeds. I wanted to ask if this happens in the Realms as well. My concern is about the Harpers, because my PCs always think that helping them is always a good thing and that it is a pure organization. Since Ed has talked about grey morality in the Realms, I would like to ask Ed or THO if the Harpers ever hurt others or engage in questionable or evil acts as assassination to further their goals, or if there are there events in which their operations are not necessarily better than those of opposing parties? I think that the Church of Tyr has not always been on good terms with them, is that so? Thanks so much!

Edited by - paladinnicolas on 02 Jan 2014 19:11:07
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Marco Volo
Learned Scribe

France
166 Posts

Posted - 02 Jan 2014 :  19:43:00  Show Profile Send Marco Volo a Private Message
That's a lot of "New-Year-Waterdeep-lore", I'm absolutely sure now DMs have (like me) plenty of ideas to add these clubs in the City of splendors and introduces them in game.
I'd like to thank again Ed and THO (no, that's never too much ) for this sharing.

And the Waterdeep's alley lore is nice too

Edited by - Marco Volo on 02 Jan 2014 19:44:09
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

5036 Posts

Posted - 02 Jan 2014 :  20:08:57  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hello again, all.
Hapy pouncing, xaeyruudh. If you can catch me, by all means enjoy me.
Ahem.
paladinnicolas, your suspicions regarding the Harpers are correct. As they work against all "too powerful" (in their view) governments, they are quite often seen as foes or at least trouble by those who place law and order above goodness (or who have a different definition of "good" than the rather libertarian Harper view). Added to that, is the internal dilemma, that is waged within the ranks of the Harpers as well as outside their ranks, of the end justifying the means - - or not. If Elminster tricks people, tells lies, and does violence to arrive at a good outcome, was he justified, or not?
I'm not choosing the right answer in such arguments, just underlining that there are always opposing viewpoints, shifting viewpoints, and "shades of gray" (more than fifty, believe me ).
I can't say much more regarding the Harpers specifically, because Ed informs me that they and several other of the traditional "power groups" of the Realms are NDA right now. Which PROBABLY means he's been doing some "official" design work on them for some upcoming and as-yet-secret purpose or other.
love,
THO
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 02 Jan 2014 :  20:11:38  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Oh, and I forgot to mention: Markustay, Ed's reporting a full-blown blizzard out his way, too. Or as he likes to call it: "winter wolf weather."
love,
THO
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 02 Jan 2014 :  21:56:40  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
And a public service announcement: Ed's involved in another Kickstarter. Fantasy superheroes, anyone?

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/qtgames/arcane-synthesis-a-blended-genre-anthology-cosmoth

It never ends! Wheeeeeee!
love to all,
THO
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paladinnicolas
Learned Scribe

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Posted - 02 Jan 2014 :  21:58:44  Show Profile Send paladinnicolas a Private Message
Thanks, as always Ed and THO!

Edited by - paladinnicolas on 02 Jan 2014 22:00:39
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Barastir
Master of Realmslore

Brazil
1393 Posts

Posted - 03 Jan 2014 :  10:42:58  Show Profile  Click to see Barastir's MSN Messenger address Send Barastir a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Thank you, Barastir! From me and from Ed!
Who just e-mailed me to say that a snippet from his essay for THE KOBOLD GUIDE TO MAGIC is now up on the Kobold Press site, and that said teaser DOES have relevance for the Realms, for all fantasy fiction, and for fantasy roleplaying worldbuilding.
(...)
love to all,
THO


Very very nice, lady! Thank you and thank him once more for bringing us such wonderful works!

"Goodness is not a natural state, but must be
fought for to be attained and maintained.
Lead by example.
Let your deeds speak your intentions.
Goodness radiated from the heart."

The Paladin's Virtues, excerpt from the "Quentin's Monograph"
(by Ed Greenwood)
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Eilserus
Master of Realmslore

USA
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Posted - 03 Jan 2014 :  18:57:50  Show Profile Send Eilserus a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Oh, and I forgot to mention: Markustay, Ed's reporting a full-blown blizzard out his way, too. Or as he likes to call it: "winter wolf weather."
love,
THO



Be safe everyone. It's about 40 above right now trying to rain with the blizzard coming in later this afternoon. Windchills of -60 below by Saturday night. Good old North Dakota, heh.

What I wouldn't give for a nice warm dwarven hole to climb into until spring!
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xaeyruudh
Master of Realmslore

USA
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Posted - 03 Jan 2014 :  19:46:52  Show Profile  Visit xaeyruudh's Homepage Send xaeyruudh a Private Message
Sounds like a night to sit in front of a great fire in the Old Skull, and read/hear old tales of daring deeds (or empty bravado) such as ______, and enjoy tall mugs of warm ______.

Perhaps a few books/legends and beverages of Elminster's fond acquaintance to fill in the blanks, perhaps from seldom-illuminated places such as (keeping the list brief and varied) old Ascore, the Lake of Mists, and Ulgarth? Others welcome instead, of course, as time allows.

Stay warm!
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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author

USA
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Posted - 03 Jan 2014 :  20:16:56  Show Profile  Visit Steven Schend's Homepage  Send Steven Schend a Yahoo! Message Send Steven Schend a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

And a public service announcement: Ed's involved in another Kickstarter. Fantasy superheroes, anyone?

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/qtgames/arcane-synthesis-a-blended-genre-anthology-cosmoth

It never ends! Wheeeeeee!
love to all,
THO



Hate to toot my own horn, but I'm involved in that Kickstarter/anthology as well. Hope a lot of you folks from the Keep come take a look, as I'm writing a fantasy story (for the Arcane Synthesis) that might have some potential roots/origins from Realms ideas that never got down on paper. Just sayin'.....

Steven

For current projects and general natter, see www.steveneschend.com
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xaeyruudh
Master of Realmslore

USA
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Posted - 04 Jan 2014 :  20:07:44  Show Profile  Visit xaeyruudh's Homepage Send xaeyruudh a Private Message
On 21 February 2013 you mentioned some of the Heralds... Bronzetree, Gelgorget, Hardragonet, and Elmaer.

1. Which cities/towns do these named offices correspond to?

2. Glancing at the list of local heralds in Code of the Harpers (p 75-76) I see only Lazalar (Ordulin) from Sembia's cities. In addition to the three (a guess, since you said that "most" are) Sembian offices named above, what are the other heralds' offices in Sembia?

Thank you!
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crazedventurers
Master of Realmslore

United Kingdom
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Posted - 04 Jan 2014 :  20:25:47  Show Profile  Visit crazedventurers's Homepage Send crazedventurers a Private Message
Happy New Year All

Can Ed (or THO if the Knights ever came across them in the Home Campaign?) expand what little lore we have on the following please?

Maskar, Wizard of Espar

Jhanaethe Starsilver, bard and Harper of Espar

Old Master Halagsz of Suzail (Wizard)

and the Dragon Claws adventuring band please!

Many thanks

Damian

So saith Ed. I've never said he was sane, have I?
Gods, all this writing and he's running a constant fantasy version of Coronation Street in his head, too. .
shudder,
love to all,
THO
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khorne
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Finland
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Posted - 04 Jan 2014 :  22:12:18  Show Profile  Visit khorne's Homepage  Click to see khorne's MSN Messenger address Send khorne a Private Message
(Damn, its been a while since I asked a question here)

1. Ed, what's the reputation of Hoar, god of vengeance, across the realms? Do they look at him differently in the Silver Marches than they do in the Dales, for example?

2. In Waterdeep, what would the reaction of the authorities be if they were informed that yesterday half a dozen extremely well armed priests of Hoar stepped onto the docks and are now sitting in an inn, looking very grim and muttering about "doing what must be done."

If I were a ranger, I would pick NDA for my favorite enemy
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xaeyruudh
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USA
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Was Aumar "the Lion" (a guard captain of Silverymoon, father of Elsura Dauniir) descended from the Aumar family... or perhaps from servants of the family? Of course sharing a name doesn't really mean anything; I'm just curious. The recently-noted tendency of Cormyrean nobles to re-use old names makes me think that perhaps, over centuries, a "lost" family name might be used by descendants as a given name.
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

5036 Posts

Posted - 05 Jan 2014 :  16:37:02  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all.
xaeyruudh, re. this: "The recently-noted tendency of Cormyrean nobles to re-use old names makes me think that perhaps, over centuries, a "lost" family name might be used by descendants as a given name."
I can tell you that this has definitely happened. Several extinct Cormyrean noble families live on as given names within the nobility (many of whom, particularly elder sons, have three or four given names).
love,
THO
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dazzlerdal
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 05 Jan 2014 :  19:24:14  Show Profile Send dazzlerdal a Private Message
Hi Ed,

Just been reading over various books and came across Lashan's surname; Aumersair, which I have come across many times before but then I had an epiphany.

It struck me that when prounounced out loud, Aumersair is a corruption of Aumer's heir. Which in turn could be a corruption of Aumar's heir (as in Elminster Aumar).

I'm sure this is just me reading something of nothing but is there any familial connection with Lashan's and Elminster's family tree (although given Elminster's age and fecundity he is probably related to half of Faerun by now).

Oh and I apologise if this has already been asked but it is the first time I have ever had anything to ask Ed so I was pretty damn excited

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xaeyruudh
Master of Realmslore

USA
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Posted - 05 Jan 2014 :  20:24:12  Show Profile  Visit xaeyruudh's Homepage Send xaeyruudh a Private Message
Also related to naming, but probably not to Elminster: In one place in the Ruins of Zhentil Keep box (p 61 of the Campaign Book) Chess is named Chess Calkontor. Elsewhere he's noted as the son of Calkontor, but no last name is given. Did he in fact use his father's name as a last name, and is it typical/acceptable for Zhents (or Moonsea folk, or a larger group) to take the father's given name as a last name without any sort of "son of" prefix or other such designation?


quote:
Originally posted by dazzlerdal

a corruption of Aumar's heir


I need to find a hat, so I can tip it to you. Pretty cool.
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