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Dark Wizard
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Posted - 20 Dec 2013 :  06:42:12  Show Profile Send Dark Wizard a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
Wizards of the Coast officially sets D&D Next (or 5E, they don't specify) for a Summer 2014 premier.

Link: http://company.wizards.com/content/wizards-coast-announces-thrilling-dungeons-dragons-launch-summer-2014

quote:
Originally from WotC Press Release:

Wizards of the Coast Announces Thrilling

Dungeons & Dragons Launch for Summer 2014



Players fight the most fearsome monster of all time

in an exciting multi-platform gaming experience


December 19, 2013 – Renton, WA – Wizards of the Coast today announced that the highly-anticipated new rules system for Dungeons & Dragons will release in summer 2014. After nearly two years of an open public playtest and more than 175,000 playtest participants, the rules are complete. Players will be immersed in rich storytelling experiences across multiple gaming platforms as they face off against the most fearsome monster of all time.


“Just like a perfectly balanced party, Wizards has worked cohesively with fans, designers and partners to create the next generation of D&D,” said Nathan Stewart, Brand Director for Dungeons & Dragons. “We whole-heartedly thank all of the play test participants, whose feedback has proven instrumental in shaping the future of Dungeons & Dragons.”


More information about the exciting Dungeons & Dragons entertainment offerings will be available in early 2014. To learn more about D&D, visit dungeonsanddragons.com.


About Wizards of the Coast
Wizards of the Coast LLC, a subsidiary of Hasbro, Inc. (NASDAQ:HAS), is the leader in entertaining the lifestyle gamer. Wizards' players and fans are members of a global community bound together by their love of both digital gaming and in-person play. The company brings to market a range of gaming experiences under powerful brand names such as MAGIC: THE GATHERING, DUNGEONS & DRAGONS, and KAIJUDO. Wizards is also a publisher of fantasy series fiction with numerous New York Times best-sellers. For more information about our world renowned brands, visit the Wizards of the Coast Web site at www.wizards.com.



Forbes.com notes,

"The news comes almost two years after WotC announced it was developing a new edition of the Dungeons & Dragons rules, and just days after it concluded an open “D&D Next” public playtest that included more than 175,000 players around the world."

And

"The publication of the as-yet-unnamed fifth edition of the D&D rules will coincide with the 40th anniversary of the game, which was originally published in January, 1974.

Wizards of the Coast, a subsidiary of Hasbro, says more details about the game will be available in early 2014."

Plaguescarred
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Posted - 20 Dec 2013 :  11:43:12  Show Profile Send Plaguescarred a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Finally! I can't wait to get my chubby fingers on it!!

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Diffan
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Posted - 20 Dec 2013 :  13:28:04  Show Profile Send Diffan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well, we'll see what direction the designers finally went with. I did hear some interesting news on Mike Mearls twitter account, such as spell points and alternate casting styles not being class dependent but system optional. That way someone who likes spell points BUT enjoys the bookish-style Wizard can have both.

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 20 Dec 2013 :  13:58:53  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
"Players fight the most fearsome monster of all time"

What the heck does that mean?

This is a bit earlier than I anticipated, but it makes sense.

I don't have much else to say until there is more material to speak on.

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The Arcanamach
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Posted - 20 Dec 2013 :  14:04:56  Show Profile Send The Arcanamach a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Woohoo finally. I hope they release FR material soon after the initial release of the core rules too. I'm eager to see the direction things take on both fronts.

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Tyrant
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Posted - 20 Dec 2013 :  17:42:07  Show Profile  Visit Tyrant's Homepage Send Tyrant a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

"Players fight the most fearsome monster of all time"

What the heck does that mean?


Corporate overlords?

I assume it's a typo and meant to say monsters.

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Jeremy Grenemyer
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Posted - 20 Dec 2013 :  20:57:27  Show Profile Send Jeremy Grenemyer a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The 5E Realms should be no more than a year out from the regular 5E release date, I'd wager.

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SirUrza
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Posted - 20 Dec 2013 :  20:59:12  Show Profile Send SirUrza a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Is it going to be called 5th edition or are they calling it Dungeons & Dragons and we'll have to call it 5e?

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Markustay
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Posted - 20 Dec 2013 :  22:36:19  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Isn't it called D&Dnext, or have they shelved that already?

Its even earlier then I predicted, Wooly. I thought they'd push it back 'till the holidays. Kind of a risk releasing in the middle of summer like that. I guess it all depends on HOW they release it (hoping for much fanfare, like how it was when 3e came out).

"Players fight the most fearsome monsters of all time"

So what were we fighting before? Chopped liver?

Also, the emphasis on fighting (encounters?) is a bad sign. Hopefully I'm just reading too much into that. I am still VERY MUCH looking forward to buying this and running it.

If the FR release does not coincide with D&D's release, I'm not sure how that is going to work. Maybe its not going to be the default core setting? If they have new fans buying into some other setting at first, they are going to have a hard time selling them FR down the road (unlike Paizo, who only offers one flavor... but its a really GOOD flavor). What setting are folks going to be using when the game first hits the shelves?

Unless... FR truly IS core (like how Greyhawk was), and some of the setting material will be in the core rulebooks. That could work - it all depends on how well they present things. A bit of a teaser in the rulebooks, and then some campaign guides and/or APs around the holidays. They'd have wet people's appetites. Not a bad plan... if thats what it is.

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Edited by - Markustay on 20 Dec 2013 22:37:14
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Markustay
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Posted - 20 Dec 2013 :  22:40:50  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Just caught the assumed 'typo' with "monster"... I don't think its a typo, because they repeat it later on. Its singular.

Well, from their point of view, I suppose that would be Grognardize.


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Edited by - Markustay on 20 Dec 2013 22:42:27
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Jeremy Grenemyer
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Posted - 20 Dec 2013 :  23:52:48  Show Profile Send Jeremy Grenemyer a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Looking at some of the recent articles on the WotC website, i get the impression that the core rule books are going to talk about and reference all the worlds of D&D.

I think the Realms will definitely be the showcase setting and receive the lion's share of support, but that will be external to the core rule books.

WotC should wait at least a few months before releasing the 5E Realms, in order to give 5E time to get its feet under it and get going. Having 5E rules in the new Realms book would go a long way towards helping the setting succeed.

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Therise
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Posted - 21 Dec 2013 :  05:04:08  Show Profile Send Therise a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dark Wizard

...Players will be immersed in rich storytelling experiences across multiple gaming platforms...

Multiple platforms?

...WAT.



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The Sage
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Posted - 21 Dec 2013 :  06:11:41  Show Profile Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I'm assuming that either translates into gaming using traditional table-top means, or with electronic media like tablets and/or laptops, or the more regular combination of the two.

Alternatively, and more of a personal hope, it could also mean multiple settings/worlds since I've heard platforms as a term for referencing settings as well. So it could mean multiple gaming worlds/settings as well.

Unless WotC are planning to take playing table-top D&D to consoles as well. So whether you've got a PC, tablet/smartphone, or gaming console, you can gear up with playing D&D.

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Brimstone
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Posted - 21 Dec 2013 :  13:12:01  Show Profile Send Brimstone a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Interesting.

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Thauranil
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Posted - 21 Dec 2013 :  13:47:20  Show Profile Send Thauranil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hmm sounds intriguing.
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Markustay
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Posted - 22 Dec 2013 :  18:36:17  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
If they decide to once-again concentrate on multiple settings (and split what little resources they have amongst them), its all over before it begins. Even when D&D was everything to them (when it was TSR still), they couldn't handle all of those settings. Now that we've been reduced to a cling-on riding the coat-tails of MtG, there is no way they can support (in any quality manner) multiple settings. Just IMO, and all.

You think they are going to reference multiple worlds in the core books, Jeremy? So sticking to the 'lets confuse the crap out of everyone' plan is still going strong, eh?

Thats what every 13 year old wants - a game that is so indecisive you don't even know what world you're playing on. This isn't 1974 anymore - those guys need to walk outside their cubicles and actually interact with their target audience. At this point, I don't even care if they do FR {gasp!}. It could be Greyahawk, or Krynn, or even the weird, amalgam 4e world of Nerath - I don't CARE!!! But they need to stick to one path and keep going down it. Running in circles gets you nowhere, fast.

Why did the edition wars happen? Because people had choices about which edition was the 'right one'. Multiple settings just exacerbates that exponentially. A hundred fans playing a hundred different settings doesn't help them make money. Have they learned nothing about splitting the fanbase?

I really hope you are wrong on this one, JG.

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Edited by - Markustay on 24 Dec 2013 01:54:52
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Jeremy Grenemyer
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Posted - 22 Dec 2013 :  20:32:52  Show Profile Send Jeremy Grenemyer a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Mark I think the danger lays not in confusion, but in dilution of the D&D brand. This was a concern that governed the release of 3rd Edition D&D.

But WotC may have decided that the market is big enough to allow support for multiple game worlds. Also, I think that for new gamers, mention of places like Athas and Eberron and the Realms won't cause confusion. Rather it will excite the imagination.

WotC have stated they are releasing the next edition across "multiple gaming platforms" so I hope that we end up with what TSR tried and failed to do, in terms of creating a brand that could support multiple gaming worlds as well as the independent creations of individual campaign worlds.

EDIT: death to the auto-correct feature in my iPad. Lolz.

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Edited by - Jeremy Grenemyer on 22 Dec 2013 22:26:45
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Diffan
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From using the playtest packets, every time a Deity was mentioned such as from a Cleric's domain it would mention multiple deities from multiple settings. For example the Light Domain cleric could be a follower of Pelor from Greyhawk, of Lathander/Amaunator from the Forgotten Realms, etc.

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Dark Wizard
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Posted - 23 Dec 2013 :  06:52:23  Show Profile Send Dark Wizard a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Therise


Multiple platforms?

...WAT.




Recall this is a press release from a PR firm working for the marketing arm of Hasbro/WotC, rather than from the creatives at WotC.

I'll assume they mean platforms as in media available. In addition to the pen & paper RPG we're used, they may have multi-media offerings in the works including electronic/digital games based on the D&D 5E brand (including platforms such as iOS (ex. D&D Arena), Android, PC/Windows, Mac, Facebook and other social media games, etc.).

They may also release non-electronic games, such as board games (Lords of Waterdeep, Castle Ravenloft) and card games (one would think there would be more of these given Wizard's MtG pedigree).

It is also possible they are including the Kre-O D&D figures and possibly other toy tie-ins down the line, perhaps a revitalized D&D miniatures line.

There are also novels and comics, platforms where D&D is long established.

And of course my #1 requested D&D transmedia branch-off: A cartoon show. Really, nothing gets you in the limelight as much as a TV show, maybe except for a well received movie.

Edited by - Dark Wizard on 23 Dec 2013 06:55:16
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Ayrik
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I‘m on the fence about this “multiple platforms“ statement. An electronic system to streamline book-keeping, dungeon-mapping, and dice-rolling chores? An online/subscription D&D gaming database? An immersive graphical MMORPG play environment? A modular CRPG-like D&D experience?

While I admit to having enjoyed a variety of (Bioware) D&D CRPGs and having used any number of (often homebrewed) digital D&D tools, my anecdotal experience is that - sorry to say it - Wizbro is not consistent or savvy enough in the digital arena to offer anything I would consider competitive, indeed hardly anything I would even really consider adequate. I certainly hope this marketing statement is just their way of saying “multiple formats spanning multiple media“ because I‘m personally only interested in actual books and paper, forget DRM-locked eBook stuff, updatable mobile applets and widgets, play-it-forever MMORPGs, or PlayStation D&D modules, they sound cool and would appeal to many, but not to me.

An Ultimate Monster? My cynicism makes me instantly wary of the usual heavyhanded auctorial “wipe the slate clean (with more craters)“ design approach which demands that Old D&D is gone because New D&D presents more imperative heroic coolness. I‘m sure WotC learned a lot from the largely negative reception of 4E, but bigger and badder just doesn‘t impress. Again, I hope it‘s just marketing hype designed to lure in jaded fans and appeal to another (young) generation of gamers.

I honestly wish ye good luck, WotC, and I hope that D&D doesn‘t become another mishandled abortive loser brand like so many others that Hasbro has killed before.

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Edited by - Ayrik on 23 Dec 2013 23:58:08
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Eilserus
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Posted - 24 Dec 2013 :  01:10:02  Show Profile Send Eilserus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
D&D is on multiple platforms: pen and paper, video games (PC), and I believe mobile devices too. So that would be an accurate statement and wouldn't worry too much about what it means. Nothing more than nerd-speak worked into the marketing message. ;)

Edited by - Eilserus on 24 Dec 2013 01:12:23
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The Arcanamach
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I'm sure there will be more press releases in the coming months and some responses to our concerns. As for multi-media concerns I'm with Eilserus on this. I don't think it's anything to worry about. I am very concerned about Wizbro splitting into too many settings and failing to manage resources though.

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SirUrza
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Posted - 26 Dec 2013 :  18:33:39  Show Profile Send SirUrza a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

If the FR release does not coincide with D&D's release, I'm not sure how that is going to work. Maybe its not going to be the default core setting? If they have new fans buying into some other setting at first, they are going to have a hard time selling them FR down the road (unlike Paizo, who only offers one flavor... but its a really GOOD flavor). What setting are folks going to be using when the game first hits the shelves?


I'm going to suggest something that came out of 4e that I wish had been the Core world and had seen more development..

Nentir Vale.

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Jeremy Grenemyer
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Posted - 27 Dec 2013 :  06:52:50  Show Profile Send Jeremy Grenemyer a Private Message  Reply with Quote
EnWorld has reported that WotC PR have stated 'monster' should have been 'monsters'.

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Erik Scott de Bie
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Posted - 27 Dec 2013 :  16:24:55  Show Profile  Visit Erik Scott de Bie's Homepage Send Erik Scott de Bie a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I sincerely hope WotC reverses their downward trend of less and less Realms support. They've been steadily trimming down their writer base, pushing out their longtime designers, and shrinking the book department staff.

But we'll see. If D&D-Next proves a great success, odds are good that the Realms will get some love again, as D&D's flagship setting.

Cheers

Erik Scott de Bie

'Tis easier to destroy than to create.

Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars"
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Tarlyn
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Posted - 28 Dec 2013 :  16:48:09  Show Profile Send Tarlyn a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I am glad that WotC is acknowledging their other settings and plans on making use of them. I hope we get continued Realms support, but there are plenty of D&D players that do not care for Realms. They deserve support as well. Hopefully, we can see one Realms supplement/mega adventure a year and DDI support. I think it is unreasonable to expect WotC's current staff to be able to produce setting support like the 2e or 3e era team. They lack the staff and they likely lack budget as well.


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