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Arcanus
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 Posted - 08 May 2014 : 12:17:56
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They are young adults that have hardly changed in their attitudes since the start of their story. Characters should grow, they should show how their experiences affect them. Not just be guilt and angst ridden all of the time. If I want angst I will read the drizzt books set in neverwinter lol.
It is curious that the books that you rate as your greatest realms fiction are the same that I hold dear.
Just goes to show that as an author you can't please everyone!
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Crystyn
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Posted - 08 May 2014 : 12:37:59
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Originally posted by Arcanus
They are young adults that have hardly changed in their attitudes since the start of their story. Characters should grow, they should show how their experiences affect them. Not just be guilt and angst ridden all of the time. If I want angst I will read the drizzt books set in neverwinter lol.
It is curious that the books that you rate as your greatest realms fiction are the same that I hold dear.
Just goes to show that as an author you can't please everyone!
To be fair Brimstone Angels was set during a rather short timespan so expecting character growth in that short a time isn't very realistic. I agree that some of their decisions and reactions are very childish and or dumb but Farideh and Havilar lived a sheltered life up to their late teens for all we know they are just starting to live out their puberty.
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Arcanus
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 08 May 2014 : 13:26:33
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Originally posted by Crystyn
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Originally posted by Arcanus
They are young adults that have hardly changed in their attitudes since the start of their story. Characters should grow, they should show how their experiences affect them. Not just be guilt and angst ridden all of the time. If I want angst I will read the drizzt books set in neverwinter lol.
It is curious that the books that you rate as your greatest realms fiction are the same that I hold dear.
Just goes to show that as an author you can't please everyone!
To be fair Brimstone Angels was set during a rather short timespan so expecting character growth in that short a time isn't very realistic. I agree that some of their decisions and reactions are very childish and or dumb but Farideh and Havilar lived a sheltered life up to their late teens for all we know they are just starting to live out their puberty.
True but it's not only the characters that bug me. To me the book was far too long for the story it told. It failed to draw me in. Full of clichè and predictability. For example, I knew who the ghost was before it was revealed who she was. Yawn. I expect more from authors, much more.
The total lack of sundering information was very disappointing. The book doesn't belong in the series because it has nothing to do with it.
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Crystyn
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Posted - 08 May 2014 : 16:48:51
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Originally posted by Arcanus
True but it's not only the characters that bug me. To me the book was far too long for the story it told. It failed to draw me in. Full of clichè and predictability. For example, I knew who the ghost was before it was revealed who she was. Yawn. I expect more from authors, much more.
The total lack of sundering information was very disappointing. The book doesn't belong in the series because it has nothing to do with it.
Haven't read the latest 2 Sundering books yet but The Adversary revealed much of the chosen system as well as Vhaerauns resurrection, the workings of the demons court among other things. |
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charger_ss24
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Posted - 08 May 2014 : 16:57:51
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The total lack of sundering information was very disappointing. The book doesn't belong in the series because it has nothing to do with it.
If there was one book that lists the nuts and bolts of the Sundering, it was this book. And if there was one book that had nothing to do with the Sundering, it was The Companions.
I do agree with you though, The Adversary was an awful read IMO. |
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CorellonsDevout
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Posted - 08 May 2014 : 17:17:11
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| This was one of my favorite books in the Sundering series. It was slow at times, yes, but I felt the last two books, while good, lacked detail ans character depth. The Adversary did not. It was very well done |
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Arcanus
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 08 May 2014 : 19:24:17
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Originally posted by Crystyn
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Originally posted by Arcanus
True but it's not only the characters that bug me. To me the book was far too long for the story it told. It failed to draw me in. Full of clichè and predictability. For example, I knew who the ghost was before it was revealed who she was. Yawn. I expect more from authors, much more.
The total lack of sundering information was very disappointing. The book doesn't belong in the series because it has nothing to do with it.
Haven't read the latest 2 Sundering books yet but The Adversary revealed much of the chosen system as well as Vhaerauns resurrection, the workings of the demons court among other things.
Not really. The only way it showed the chosen system was to introduce glyphs that could be seen by one person. We already new about chosen growing into their powers etc.
The gods are being ressurected anyway so no new info there really.
How the demon court works has already been mentioned elsewhere, it also has no direct impact on the sundering.
All the book says is that change is afoot and the gods are nervous etc. Thats already been said elsewhere too.
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Crystyn
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Posted - 08 May 2014 : 19:42:40
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Originally posted by Arcanus
Not really. The only way it showed the chosen system was to introduce glyphs that could be seen by one person. We already new about chosen growing into their powers etc.
The gods are being ressurected anyway so no new info there really.
How the demon court works has already been mentioned elsewhere, it also has no direct impact on the sundering.
All the book says is that change is afoot and the gods are nervous etc. Thats already been said elsewhere too.
Companions: Return of the weave, the Gods' marks
The Godborn: Return of Mask, weakening of Shar
The Adversary: Hint to Vhaerauns return, Azmodeus plan
Most of this was foreshadowed long ago just because ppl knew it were coming doesn't mean it wasn't new.
The Herald will most likely tell us which Mystra (or all of them) will come back. |
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Tanthalas
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Posted - 08 May 2014 : 20:33:32
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| Not really sure why The Adversary is being singled out for having nothing to do with the Sundering. All books in the series have been guilty of barely having any info concerning the Sundering. |
Sir Markham pointed out, drinking another brandy. "A chap who can point at you and say 'die' has the distinct advantage". |
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Arcanus
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 08 May 2014 : 20:55:44
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Originally posted by Tanthalas
Not really sure why The Adversary is being singled out for having nothing to do with the Sundering. All books in the series have been guilty of barely having any info concerning the Sundering.
Oh I know. I was under the impression that the sundering would unfold in each book. They are all failing in that regard. The discussion at hand started with my review on the adversary, as this thread is devoted to said book then it stands to reason that it is taking flak. |
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Arcanus
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 08 May 2014 : 21:01:16
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Originally posted by Crystyn
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Originally posted by Arcanus
Not really. The only way it showed the chosen system was to introduce glyphs that could be seen by one person. We already new about chosen growing into their powers etc.
The gods are being ressurected anyway so no new info there really.
How the demon court works has already been mentioned elsewhere, it also has no direct impact on the sundering.
All the book says is that change is afoot and the gods are nervous etc. Thats already been said elsewhere too.
Companions: Return of the weave, the Gods' marks
The Godborn: Return of Mask, weakening of Shar
The Adversary: Hint to Vhaerauns return, Azmodeus plan
Most of this was foreshadowed long ago just because ppl knew it were coming doesn't mean it wasn't new.
The Herald will most likely tell us which Mystra (or all of them) will come back.
As you point out-nothing new really. The series so far is just about finishing the story arcs of the authors characters.
Anyway, I have RLB's book next. Hope things improve. |
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Mirtek
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Posted - 08 May 2014 : 21:59:48
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Originally posted by Crystyn
Most of this was foreshadowed long ago just because ppl knew it were coming doesn't mean it wasn't new.
But there were no details at all. It revelead barely more than the hints already had. Reading the full novels leaves one none the wiser than reading the jacket blurb |
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Crystyn
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Posted - 08 May 2014 : 22:06:10
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Originally posted by Mirtek
But there were no details at all. It revelead barely more than the hints already had. Reading the full novels leaves one none the wiser than reading the jacket blurb
After the Avatar series was so universally disliked it'll be a while, if at all, 'til we see that much involvement with the gods again.
I only liked them because Kelemvor and Mask are some of my favourite FR characters, Midnight and Cyric are the most annoying though. |
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Edited by - Crystyn on 08 May 2014 22:07:14 |
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ksu_bond
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Entromancer
Senior Scribe
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388 Posts |
Posted - 09 May 2014 : 14:00:03
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"...the will is everything. The will to act."--Ra's Al Ghul
"Suffering builds character."--Talia Al Ghul |
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Arcanus
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Arcanus
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Posted - 09 May 2014 : 15:54:41
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I thought this book had the Shadovar gathering the Chosen into containment camps?
It does. |
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Crystyn
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RealmsForgedChild
Acolyte
New Zealand
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Posted - 29 May 2014 : 01:58:29
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I was a member here ages ago and I have long sense forgotten my old log in name and password.I had to rejoin if only to speak on this book. I have been reading brimstone angels since it's inception and Mrs. Evans is such a sincerely talented author. it's one of the 3 story arcs I can honestly say I'm truly invested in and I do my best to support the realms constantly.
They have been so much apart of my life but this book in particular. She touched on my pain and feelings of loss that I have struggled with my life entire I was never sure I could fully explain. As a Man that lost first his child and has struggled with depression after. The person that clings to my heart the hardest in this book Mehen.
I love Clanless Mehen so deeply maybe more than the girls. lol And I love the girls. His struggle as not just a father but an individual I've felt it all. Brin I also love because the forest kingdom is one of my favorite places in all the realms. I love all things Cormyr and I'm not even really a fan of humans in most cases. So to get to go back to my favorite place in the realms with characters that have come to mean so much to me.
Thank you for the amazing quality of your writing that makes me feel less alone in my fears and sorrows. That helps me process and digest things that can be healed by holding on to them. Please keep writing.
I look forward to seeing how you write about the heirs of Azoun IV. |
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