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Thauranil
Master of Realmslore
   
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Posted - 17 Nov 2013 : 12:44:00
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quote: Originally posted by Alruane
Well regardless it's still another great addition to my knowledge of this mysterious place. Well it's widely known by fans, but I don't have the pleasure of knowing as much so this all helps me. 
Well I shall find a few novels, or something along those lines to get more information of the periods of time within Waterdeep. As well as organizations, government history, people, places, etc.
Try out City of splendors By Ed Greenwood and Elaine cunningham, also there is a whole line of novels dealing with Waterdeep by various authors. I think it was called Ed Greenwodd presents Waterdeep. Anyway I quite liked the God Catcher and Mistshore from those books. |
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Alruane
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Posted - 17 Nov 2013 : 20:29:59
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quote: Originally posted by Thauranil
quote: Originally posted by Alruane
Well regardless it's still another great addition to my knowledge of this mysterious place. Well it's widely known by fans, but I don't have the pleasure of knowing as much so this all helps me. 
Well I shall find a few novels, or something along those lines to get more information of the periods of time within Waterdeep. As well as organizations, government history, people, places, etc.
Try out City of splendors By Ed Greenwood and Elaine cunningham, also there is a whole line of novels dealing with Waterdeep by various authors. I think it was called Ed Greenwodd presents Waterdeep. Anyway I quite liked the God Catcher and Mistshore from those books.
Well met, Thauranil! Thank you for the book advice, I shall have to search them out and find them. I have been very interested in this place and wish to learn as much as I can from it. The lore so far has me hooked honestly! haha |
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Tyrant
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Posted - 17 Nov 2013 : 20:56:32
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quote: Originally posted by Firestorm hmmmm. I do not remember Elminster being a lord there but it has been awhile since I read the older sourcebooks.
I believe one of the recent Elminster books had Storm recalling a time when she and Elminster were Lords of Waterdeep. I can't recall off hand which one or what the exact circumstances of the conversation were though. |
Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me. -The Sith Code
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Alruane
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Posted - 17 Nov 2013 : 21:16:06
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quote: Originally posted by Tyrant
quote: Originally posted by Firestorm hmmmm. I do not remember Elminster being a lord there but it has been awhile since I read the older sourcebooks.
I believe one of the recent Elminster books had Storm recalling a time when she and Elminster were Lords of Waterdeep. I can't recall off hand which one or what the exact circumstances of the conversation were though.
Well met, Tyrant!
Yes I recall hearing something about new novels of Elminster, never knew they mentioned Waterdeep in those. But I shall gladly have a look and see for myself. Thank you for the information.  |
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Alruane
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Posted - 17 Nov 2013 : 21:35:08
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quote: Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote: Originally posted by Alruane
quote: Originally posted by Tarlyn
Who are the Lords during the 1470s? Does anyone know?
I've collected a few so far:
Dagult Neverember
Danilo Thann
Durnan "the Wanderer"
Mirt the Moneylender
I do believe that's some of them from 1479?
Wow, Danilo and Durnan are still around in the 4E era? And how can Danilo be a Lord again -- he already gave that up, and left Waterdeep, long before the Spellplague.
Maybe he was a surviving member, but not active since he gave it up as you said? Most of the info was source material from a Forgotten Realms site. Some of them just said members that still lived during 1470s. |
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Alruane
Senior Scribe
  
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Posted - 17 Nov 2013 : 22:59:30
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Does anyone else have any interesting lore or stories to share about the City Of Splendors?  |
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LordXenophon
Learned Scribe
 
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Posted - 18 Nov 2013 : 19:53:27
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If you can find a copy of The Forgotten Realms Atlas, by Karen Wynn Fonstad, you can find some information about the celestial staircase, Blackstaff Tower, and the final events of the Time of Troubles.
Volo's Guide to Waterdeep contains many of the Waterdhavian locations I use in my campaign.
If you want non-canon material, I have CD's full of stuff I added to the city, including a few new Lords. |
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Tyrant
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Posted - 18 Nov 2013 : 20:12:02
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quote: Originally posted by Alruane
quote: Originally posted by Tyrant
quote: Originally posted by Firestorm hmmmm. I do not remember Elminster being a lord there but it has been awhile since I read the older sourcebooks.
I believe one of the recent Elminster books had Storm recalling a time when she and Elminster were Lords of Waterdeep. I can't recall off hand which one or what the exact circumstances of the conversation were though.
Well met, Tyrant!
Yes I recall hearing something about new novels of Elminster, never knew they mentioned Waterdeep in those. But I shall gladly have a look and see for myself. Thank you for the information. 
While I do recommend reading the books on general principle because they focus on Mystra being reborn, Manshoon, the remaining Chosen dealing without a goddess, etc., I can't recommend you read them to find out about Waterdeep. I believe that bit I mentioned was literally one line or part of one conversation. On the other hand, Mirt is in them, though he is likely no longer a Lord of Waterdeep as he has been gone for nearly a century. |
Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me. -The Sith Code
Teenage Sith zombies, Tulkh thought-how in the moons of Bogden had it all started? Every so often, the universe must just get bored and decide to really cut loose. -Star Wars: Red Harvest |
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Alruane
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Posted - 18 Nov 2013 : 22:41:55
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quote: Originally posted by LordXenophon
If you can find a copy of The Forgotten Realms Atlas, by Karen Wynn Fonstad, you can find some information about the celestial staircase, Blackstaff Tower, and the final events of the Time of Troubles.
Volo's Guide to Waterdeep contains many of the Waterdhavian locations I use in my campaign.
If you want non-canon material, I have CD's full of stuff I added to the city, including a few new Lords.
I definitely need to check that out, those places are very familiar to me. I'd like to learn more about them. Volo's were always interesting to me. I actually enjoyed some of Volo's guides. Just haven't read Waterdeep's yet.
Oh yeah? That all sounds great! Thanks for the info, LordXenophon! |
" I wonder if you are destined to be forgotten. Will your life fade in the shadow of greater beings?" ~Joneleth Irenicus
"Wisdom? My dear boy, wisdom is knowing that you do not know everything. Wisdom is realizing, a wise man ALWAYS has questions. Not answers."
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Alruane
Senior Scribe
  
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434 Posts |
Posted - 18 Nov 2013 : 22:47:20
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quote: Originally posted by Tyrant
quote: Originally posted by Alruane
quote: Originally posted by Tyrant
quote: Originally posted by Firestorm hmmmm. I do not remember Elminster being a lord there but it has been awhile since I read the older sourcebooks.
I believe one of the recent Elminster books had Storm recalling a time when she and Elminster were Lords of Waterdeep. I can't recall off hand which one or what the exact circumstances of the conversation were though.
Well met, Tyrant!
Yes I recall hearing something about new novels of Elminster, never knew they mentioned Waterdeep in those. But I shall gladly have a look and see for myself. Thank you for the information. 
While I do recommend reading the books on general principle because they focus on Mystra being reborn, Manshoon, the remaining Chosen dealing without a goddess, etc., I can't recommend you read them to find out about Waterdeep. I believe that bit I mentioned was literally one line or part of one conversation. On the other hand, Mirt is in them, though he is likely no longer a Lord of Waterdeep as he has been gone for nearly a century.
Well regardless, thanks for the info on it. I do enjoy reading about Mystra and such, so that will still be enjoyable. See, Mirt kind of gave off a enigmatic vibe sometimes. Simply because he plays a big role in Waterdeep, from what little I read. Or at least it seemed that way to me. |
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"Wisdom? My dear boy, wisdom is knowing that you do not know everything. Wisdom is realizing, a wise man ALWAYS has questions. Not answers."
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hashimashadoo
Master of Realmslore
   
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Posted - 19 Nov 2013 : 06:01:35
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quote: Originally posted by Alruane
and I heard something about Waterdeep being ran by Merchants for a time. Either before or after the Lords, also a little vague on the details.
For about 7 years, after Ahghairon died, the city was essentially run by a council of the masters of the various guilds...but that didn't end so well. |
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Alruane
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Posted - 19 Nov 2013 : 06:10:24
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quote: Originally posted by hashimashadoo
quote: Originally posted by Alruane
and I heard something about Waterdeep being ran by Merchants for a time. Either before or after the Lords, also a little vague on the details.
For about 7 years, after Ahghairon died, the city was essentially run by a council of the masters of the various guilds...but that didn't end so well.
I figured as much, too many power grabbing masters. There is bound to be warring or at least a great disruption within the council. |
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Marco Volo
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Posted - 24 Nov 2013 : 13:30:06
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quote: Originally posted by hashimashadoo
quote: Originally posted by Alruane
and I heard something about Waterdeep being ran by Merchants for a time. Either before or after the Lords, also a little vague on the details.
For about 7 years, after Ahghairon died, the city was essentially run by a council of the masters of the various guilds...but that didn't end so well.
As hashimashadoo said, there was a war between guilds and noble families, resulting in a extinction of certain of these families (iirc) and few guilds very unappreciated, even centuries after these events. The rivalry between guilds and nobles are still going on today, but we are very far from a war. Or aren't we ?  |
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LordXenophon
Learned Scribe
 
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144 Posts |
Posted - 24 Nov 2013 : 18:33:13
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| As I run it, there isn't likely to be an open war, but both sides are still scheming in the background. Certain guilds are also at odds with certain temples. |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
    
USA
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Posted - 24 Nov 2013 : 20:15:00
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The identity of one rather exotic 1479 Masked Lord is speculated in my novel DOWNSHADOW, in the last full chapter before the epilogue. And yeah, she's probably right. 
I know several more but I'm not sure who's been disclosed and which are still protected under NDA, so I'll leave it a mystery.
I recommend the Ed Greenwood Presents Waterdeep series for lore on this point. Also, check out this thread (lots of spoilers, though!): http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12810
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'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Alruane
Senior Scribe
  
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434 Posts |
Posted - 27 Nov 2013 : 13:01:16
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quote: Originally posted by Marco Volo
quote: Originally posted by hashimashadoo
quote: Originally posted by Alruane
and I heard something about Waterdeep being ran by Merchants for a time. Either before or after the Lords, also a little vague on the details.
For about 7 years, after Ahghairon died, the city was essentially run by a council of the masters of the various guilds...but that didn't end so well.
As hashimashadoo said, there was a war between guilds and noble families, resulting in a extinction of certain of these families (iirc) and few guilds very unappreciated, even centuries after these events. The rivalry between guilds and nobles are still going on today, but we are very far from a war. Or aren't we ? 
See this kind of development in this great city, and the in-government fighting make it interesting! I definitely need to get more info on Waterdeep. |
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Alruane
Senior Scribe
  
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Posted - 27 Nov 2013 : 13:03:23
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quote: Originally posted by LordXenophon
As I run it, there isn't likely to be an open war, but both sides are still scheming in the background. Certain guilds are also at odds with certain temples.
For Waterdeep, this sounds about right. From what I gather, it wouldn't be Waterdeep if there wasn't scheming and what not going on. |
" I wonder if you are destined to be forgotten. Will your life fade in the shadow of greater beings?" ~Joneleth Irenicus
"Wisdom? My dear boy, wisdom is knowing that you do not know everything. Wisdom is realizing, a wise man ALWAYS has questions. Not answers."
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Alruane
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Posted - 27 Nov 2013 : 13:06:38
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quote: Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
The identity of one rather exotic 1479 Masked Lord is speculated in my novel DOWNSHADOW, in the last full chapter before the epilogue. And yeah, she's probably right. 
I know several more but I'm not sure who's been disclosed and which are still protected under NDA, so I'll leave it a mystery.
I recommend the Ed Greenwood Presents Waterdeep series for lore on this point. Also, check out this thread (lots of spoilers, though!): http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12810
Cheers
Ed Greenwood ANYTHING is something I'd gladly read. so that sounds perfect, just have to get my hands on the material! thanks for the info though, definitely adds to my interest of the City Of Splendors! Thanks, Erik Scott de Bie. |
" I wonder if you are destined to be forgotten. Will your life fade in the shadow of greater beings?" ~Joneleth Irenicus
"Wisdom? My dear boy, wisdom is knowing that you do not know everything. Wisdom is realizing, a wise man ALWAYS has questions. Not answers."
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Alruane
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434 Posts |
Posted - 30 Nov 2013 : 04:48:16
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| I found some more interesting canon lore within candlekeep books and various other novels on Baldur's Gate Enhanced Edition. Very interesting actually! |
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LordXenophon
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Posted - 30 Nov 2013 : 22:16:24
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| Waterdeep is so large, a random building table starts to make sense. |
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Jeremy Grenemyer
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Posted - 01 Dec 2013 : 05:07:01
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quote: Originally posted by Tyrant
quote: Originally posted by Firestorm hmmmm. I do not remember Elminster being a lord there but it has been awhile since I read the older sourcebooks.
I believe one of the recent Elminster books had Storm recalling a time when she and Elminster were Lords of Waterdeep. I can't recall off hand which one or what the exact circumstances of the conversation were though.
This has been nagging at me all week, so I went for a dig in my notes.
The reference can be found on page 287 of the hardcover version of "Bury Elminster Deep". The exchange went thus:
Mirt grinned. "The two of ye would have made very good Lords of Waterdeep, ye know."
El and Storm exchanged glances again.
"As I recall," Storm added sweetly, "we did."
A perfect example of how answering one question (i.e. "Were any Chosen ever Lords of Waterdeep?") opening the door to several more questions. |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 01 Dec 2013 : 06:00:33
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That's the beauty of good Realmslore. You never know where it can take you... 
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Alruane
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Posted - 01 Dec 2013 : 06:55:32
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quote: Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
That's the beauty of good Realmslore. You never know where it can take you... 
"It's a dangerous business, Frodo, going out of your door," he used to say. "You step into the Road, and if you don't keep your feet, there is no knowing where you might be swept off to." -- The Fellowship of the Ring, page 82
Exactly! It's fun letting it lead you to the most interesting places!
Good quote though haha Very fitting! |
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Alruane
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Posted - 01 Dec 2013 : 06:59:39
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quote: Originally posted by Jeremy Grenemyer
quote: Originally posted by Tyrant
quote: Originally posted by Firestorm hmmmm. I do not remember Elminster being a lord there but it has been awhile since I read the older sourcebooks.
I believe one of the recent Elminster books had Storm recalling a time when she and Elminster were Lords of Waterdeep. I can't recall off hand which one or what the exact circumstances of the conversation were though.
This has been nagging at me all week, so I went for a dig in my notes.
The reference can be found on page 287 of the hardcover version of "Bury Elminster Deep". The exchange went thus:
Mirt grinned. "The two of ye would have made very good Lords of Waterdeep, ye know."
El and Storm exchanged glances again.
"As I recall," Storm added sweetly, "we did."
A perfect example of how answering one question (i.e. "Were any Chosen ever Lords of Waterdeep?") opening the door to several more questions.
Not only that, but it does clarify to others that Elminster was a hidden lord. But I do believe in one of my Elminster books, it blatantly says he was anyway. Or, at the very least, it vaguely mentions it. But yeah, it does open doors to several other questiosn as well... |
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Jeremy Grenemyer
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Posted - 07 Dec 2013 : 10:14:31
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quote: Originally posted by Alruane
Does anyone else have any interesting lore or stories to share about the City Of Splendors? 
Some random bits of lore, from my collection drawn from various Eye on the Realms articles in Dragon and Dungeon magazines (ezine versions).
Lady Eagleshield Revel A revel held to honor Lady Embrelle Eagleshield in Waterdeep at Highroost, once very four years, on the sixth night of Flamerule.
Highroost The home of the Eagleshield noble family in Waterdeep.
The Laughing Lass A brothel on Ship street. Dungeon 184
The Foaming Tankard A brew-tavern. Converted into The Foamy Smile festhall. Dungeon 184
Ten Trolls Fallen A tavern in Trades Ward. Has named rooms such as the Brazen Doors room. Trades Ward Inn of the Dripping Dagger Front door sometimes speaks out loud. The inn is sometimes haunted.
Dock Ward Haldark's Shiphaven Shop On Sternpost Street.
Jhannastra House Turned into a fortress of sorts after being broken into. Three ground floor shops occupy the space beneath her living quarters.
Castle Ward Home of Maruttur "Mutter" Thalekin Seller of maps, charts and books, knows much of the last century of seafaring activity in Waterdeep vicinity; doesn't do Skullport or Seacaves. Castle Ward Home of Saerpryn "Old Coldeyes" Thulomhreigh Moneylender on Rainrun Street
Trades Ward Ravenwyndar Representations Factors/trade agents; of Blackmul Street
Mrayvren's Superior Castings Given to four younger sons so that Mrayvren's Bountiful Rest could be opened. North Ward (name?) Ilzantul Street, near Delzorin Street. Called the Bountiful by locals. Has a room called the Gryphonshar.
Waterdeep Mrayvren's Bountiful Rest Feature: the Gryphonsar room (additional from Ed): “Gryphonshar” was the name of a wealthy, successful, ethical, and much-loved Waterdhavian merchant who was a sometime sponsor, patron, and eventually business partner of Haeldrar Mrayvren. Andremon Gryphonsar died in the autumn of 1454 DR, but is remembered with fond nostalgia by many traders, and several rooms and features around Waterdeep have been named for him (all since his death). Sea Ward Ohmtalakar's Fine Gems Located on the second floor of the first west-side Sul Street building north of Chanszobur's Manywares. Sea Ward Chanszobur's Manywares On NW corner of Sul and Vondil Streets. Glittering and highly regarded store; favorite of nobles; expensive but superior merchandise.
(additional from Ed:) Brightboots cleaning service Run by Rhavilra Gryphonshar, whose teams clean many lodgings and polish many boots for laboring and shopkeeping Waterdhavians Highroost The home of the Eagleshield noble family in Waterdeep.
Waterdeep Wartrumpet broadsheet Markarl Mightyeye (pseudonym for an unknown social critic) writes in this one.
Horkle's Gossip Cauldron broadsheet Published by Annath Horkle of Beacon Street, Trades Ward
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A random smattering of lore, but I hope it interests you and otherwise excites your imagination.
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