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silverwolfer
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Posted - 12 Nov 2013 :  07:03:26  Show Profile Send silverwolfer a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
The one...


the only...

Obould_Many-Arrows...

Now that is a villain that died to soon , as far as plot points go. That is a creature that should have stayed around as much as drizzits assassin buddy.

Lovely new dynamic, raised the status of a monster race into a wonderful roleplaying generator. Showed that if drow can be chaotic evil and have a kingdom, then so can orcs.


I just .... it makes me sad, that we don't get more of this, he is supposedly a demigod in service to grummish, after the cataclysm and such, I can see him being sent back down, into semi mortal status, and leading folks again , after all the chaos settles.


In-fact... I beg for it.

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I would like to see Halaster come back.
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Barastir
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Khelben Arunsun was my favorite archmage. But I'm not a huge fan of this Elektra/ Jean Grey (ok, she is the Phoenix, after all) effect...

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Firestorm
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Meh. I still run my campaigns in the 3.5 timeline.

I like having Vangy and the Steel princess around in Cormyr, and I liked the 3.5 nobility and underworld in waterdeep and I liked the Zhents around the dalelands, etc
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Wooly Rupert
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There are a lot of characters I'd love to see still around, but Obould is not one of them.

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SirUrza
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Posted - 12 Nov 2013 :  15:11:58  Show Profile  Send SirUrza an AOL message  Send SirUrza an ICQ Message Send SirUrza a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Firestorm

Meh. I still run my campaigns in the 3.5 timeline
I like having Vangy and the Steel princess around in Cormyr, and I liked the 3.5 nobility and underworld in waterdeep and I liked the Zhents around the dalelands, etc


Preach on.

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Seravin
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Haven't there been a succession of Oboulds since The Thousand Orcs/Orc King books? His sons as kings? Probably even blessed by Gruumsh to boot.

I want Alias and her gang back. Or Artus Cimber.
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quote:
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Haven't there been a succession of Oboulds since The Thousand Orcs/Orc King books? His sons as kings? Probably even blessed by Gruumsh to boot.


There have been, but to say it's Obould XI or whatever they're up to and make him as powerful, skilled, and smart as the original just feels... cheap.

quote:
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I want Alias and her gang back. Or Artus Cimber.



Oh Alias, yes that'd be nice.

Arilyn and Danilo too!

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Firestorm
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quote:
Originally posted by SirUrza

quote:
Originally posted by Seravin

Haven't there been a succession of Oboulds since The Thousand Orcs/Orc King books? His sons as kings? Probably even blessed by Gruumsh to boot.


There have been, but to say it's Obould XI or whatever they're up to and make him as powerful, skilled, and smart as the original just feels... cheap.

quote:
Originally posted by Seravin
I want Alias and her gang back. Or Artus Cimber.



Oh Alias, yes that'd be nice.

Arilyn and Danilo too!


ALIAS

Heck yes.
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Markustay
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I want everyone back...

there's an easy fix for that.

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Diffan
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The evil Fey'ri, most importantly the Dlardrageth family.

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Mirtek
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quote:
Originally posted by SirUrza

quote:
Originally posted by Seravin

Haven't there been a succession of Oboulds since The Thousand Orcs/Orc King books? His sons as kings? Probably even blessed by Gruumsh to boot.


There have been, but to say it's Obould XI or whatever they're up to and make him as powerful, skilled, and smart as the original just feels... cheap.
IMHO just pulling one deus ex machina after another to bring back NPC after NPC feels much cheaper

One NPC somehow catapulted over a century in the future? Strane things happen in the Realms.

Two NPCs somehow catapulated over a century into the future? Hm, a strange coincidence of strange things.

Three or more NPCs ...?

Edited by - Mirtek on 12 Nov 2013 20:53:14
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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by Diffan

The evil Fey'ri, most importantly the Dlardrageth family.



Considering their elven heritage, there's not even a need to explain their survival -- they can easily live thru a century or two.

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sfdragon
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Khelben Arunson the elder

why is being a wizard like being a drow? both are likely to find a dagger in the back from a rival or one looking to further his own goals, fame and power


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Ayrik
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by Diffan

The evil Fey'ri, most importantly the Dlardrageth family.



Considering their elven heritage, there's not even a need to explain their survival -- they can easily live thru a century or two.

Considering their fiendish heritage, they can easily live even longer.

Alias is a construct, technically described as an Automaton back in 2E lore, before 3E lore formalized some rules for the category. True, she was bestowed part of a living (saurial) soul, so perhaps she might age and die (at least in a manner similar to saurials), but she was also fashioned from a lich‘s magic, a bit of Moander‘s/Finder‘s divine energy, and a powerful artifact. I would argue that she should be ageless (as a human “adult“) and thus still in the Realms - unless she met a violent or accidental death.

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Wooly Rupert
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Yeah, the issue of whether or not Alias and her sisters actually age is a good one... Given that Finder was involved in her construction and wanted to preserve his music forever, it is entirely possible that the Alias vessels are effectively immortal.

The flip side is that we know they are capable of bearing children who appear to age normally, so maybe only Flattery was immortal, and Alias and her sisters aren't... I'd really love to get Jeff Grubb to address that one.

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The Sage
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I won't pick and choose who I'd like back.

I'd simply say that so long as the lore and backstory supporting the return of a particular character was sound, then I'd welcome any and all of the lost characters to back into the land of the living.

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Jeremy Grenemyer
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Wasn't Giogioni's wife (Cat?) a clone?

If yes, I think it would be interesting to get a Jeff Grubb take on the long-lived, undying matron of the Wyvernspurs.

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quote:
Originally posted by Jeremy Grenemyer

Wasn't Giogioni's wife (Cat?) a clone?
I'm going from memory... but I think Cat was a duplicate of Alias.

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Barastir
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As I said, I don't like the idea of mass resurrection, or of a great time travelling plague. There are a lot of characters I'd like to see again, like Khelben, Elaith, Myrin Silverspear, and many others, but I'd rather like that 5e would have books on all eras, just like Star Wars, as it was discussed some time ago. So, new stories with Khelben would be from his - vast and rich - past, and new Elaith stories could be in the time between the last novel in which he appeared and his yet not published (as far as I know) demise, for example.

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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by Jeremy Grenemyer

Wasn't Giogioni's wife (Cat?) a clone?

If yes, I think it would be interesting to get a Jeff Grubb take on the long-lived, undying matron of the Wyvernspurs.



The group built Alias together, and Phalse siphoned off what they were doing to build another dozen, including Cat, Zhara, Jade More, and my non-canon Sapphire.

They weren't exact clones; there were some minor physical differences.

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Markustay
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Yeah, I'd love to see Cat as the 'wise old matron' of clan Wyvernspur... with lots of little 'wyvernspurs' with an odd bloodline ability.

And somewhere in a novel about them, a cameo by her sister Alias. Don't even name her... just refer to her as 'my sister'. Yeah... that'd be AWESOME.

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quote:
Originally posted by Mirtek

One NPC somehow catapulted over a century in the future? Strane things happen in the Realms.

Two NPCs somehow catapulated over a century into the future? Hm, a strange coincidence of strange things.

Three or more NPCs ...?
While I completely agree with your sentiment (I found Mirt's return extremely 'jarring'), it wouldn't be so bad if they connected at least some of them together, in one event. Having each with his/her own deus ex machina would be awful, but lets say a bunch of them were somehow 'frozen' (or turned into statues, etc), and then freed, that would be okay, I guess. Not great, but a hell of a lot better then a host of separate 'coincidences'.

Truly hate the return of the Companions of the Hall. I will never read another RAS novel again (and somewhere I think I just heard him say "thank god!")

Loved the man's writing, but I think that well has run a bit dry of late.

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Seravin
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Flesh to Stone and then a century later Stone to Flesh would have been a good way to keep some characters alive past the time jump. Or you could just have them sleep for 20 years (The Last Threshold) or get locked in a magic hand mirror (or however Mirt survived) and spring out .

I hear you Markustay, but I give Bob slack on The Companions, because it was well written (especially the Regis parts) and I don't think he had finished telling the tale of Regis and Catti-Brie when the Spellplague/Time-jump was forced on him.

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SirUrza
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He definitely wasn't finished and putting them in that pocket realm was just his way of buying time and cheating death IMHO.

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Markustay
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IIRC, both Bob and Ed were initially against the timejump (maybe because they still had stories to tell... or maybe just because they are both very smart men).

Regardless (because I don't want to go down that road yet-again), I do have hope for the 5 Realms, despite how I may come off. The reason for this is that I am hoping they allow authors to write stories 'set in the past'. Thus far, I have not seen that, AT ALL, and if all these authors are porting' their favs into the 4e+ realms... well... thats just a VERY bad sign.

I have no intention of reading anything set post 1400 DR, so if thats their plan, they can leave me out. That is NOT "support for all eras", that is just some corporate hyperbole BS. I want to read about my favorite characters when they were alive, not in some sort of 'after death' resurrection scenario, set in a world I neither recognize nor care for. That might be their idea of a compromise, but for me, thats no compromise as at all - its just putting some tasty sauce over a smelly fish.

I WILL continue to buy (good) gaming material, but I need to see true 'support for all eras' in the novel line if they want me back on that end of things. Then again, after my recent trip to the bookstore, even if I wanted to, I think that door has closed.

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Edited by - Markustay on 13 Nov 2013 16:26:58
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