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Irennan
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Posted - 29 Apr 2017 :  18:51:04  Show Profile Send Irennan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

Shar became their go-to evil deity of choice in 3E, and the heavy focus on Lolth is due entirely to one of their main cash cows being a guy that disliked the way Lolth ran things. That's been WotC chasing the "kewl" while disregarding everything else.



What I meant is that when 4e kicked in, powerful female characters were mainly negative examples, w/o the positive figures that had provided balance in representation before 4e.

I wasn't saying that WotC wanted to send the message that women in charge are a negative thing (although I should have clarified better), but characters representing women in charge were mostly negative. Heck, the iconic matriarchy--the drow--was an horrible society, which had used to have a bright and hopeful counterpart, but that was nowhere to be found in 4e--and its lore had been warped to give it some *truly* ugly and unlikeable traits--to the point of leading you to question their morals--by the novels that had led to its removal (novels that--although techinically part of the end of 3e--were admittedly part of the plans for 4e).

The only positive powerful women that I could think of, were Ilsevele and Storm, and the former didn't get much spotlight either AFAIK.

In short, I don't think that the changes were deliberate (although I cannot exclude it either), but the result was the same.

Mathematics is the art of giving the same name to different things.

Edited by - Irennan on 29 Apr 2017 23:38:00
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 30 Apr 2017 :  01:51:15  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Agreed, the result was the same, and with that end result, one could readily come to (what I assume were) incorrect conclusions about why it was done.

I still think, though, that the larger mistake was going the ALL SHADOW, ALL THE TIME! route they did -- not only were there suddenly Shades, Sharrans, or both, under every rock, it grossly oversimplified the ever-shifting power dynamics of all the myriad groups of the Realms. It was more a caricature of the setting than a logical progression of it.

The Lost Vale best exemplifies that attitude, to me... A near-deity, flying directly over the Lost Vale and specifically looking for it, couldn't find it. And yet the Shades somehow found it, and for no reason that I can fathom, destroyed it.

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Irennan
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Posted - 30 Apr 2017 :  07:02:27  Show Profile Send Irennan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Yep, there's also that...

Mathematics is the art of giving the same name to different things.
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