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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 09 Mar 2013 :  05:33:03  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
Ptolus, City by the Spire, is back in print.

I got my copy while they were still fairly easy to find... But if you didn't get it then, now is your chance! It's a massive tome, with a lot of niftiness in it.


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Jeremy Grenemyer
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Glad to see this monster is coming back.

Oddly enough, I'm thinking of getting rid of mine.

Look for me and my content at EN World (user name: sanishiver).
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I love this book! And I especially love all the awesome extras that came with it.

Monte Cook really provided a fully workable setting that can stand equally well enough on it's own, or as a massively extensive part of some pre-existing world.

And I like that I can still thumb through its many hundreds of pages even today... years after it's initial release, and find little gems that are just begging for inclusion/expansion elsewhere.

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Wooly Rupert
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That book is chock-full of great stuff... My only complaint about it (other than the fact that my arms got tired of holding the book, when I was reading it!) was that to me, the idea that adventurers could start at level 1 and ascend to high levels without ever leaving town just doesn't work. Yes, in Ptolus it is possible, but I can't picture playing an adventurer who never wants to leave town.

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quote:
Originally posted by Jeremy Grenemyer

Oddly enough, I'm thinking of getting rid of mine.



Well, the amount of money you'd get for doing so just went down.

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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by Jeremy Grenemyer

Oddly enough, I'm thinking of getting rid of mine.



Well, the amount of money you'd get for doing so just went down.

Heh, probably so. I can't imagine getting much for it anyway, as the place I sell my books off too pays only a small percentage of what Amazon charges for books (they use Amazon as a price guideline).

The good news is this same place (Rasputin's) charges at most a few bucks for large hardcovers.

Hopefully some kid new to D&D finds that book and uses it like crazy.

Look for me and my content at EN World (user name: sanishiver).
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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by Jeremy Grenemyer

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by Jeremy Grenemyer

Oddly enough, I'm thinking of getting rid of mine.



Well, the amount of money you'd get for doing so just went down.

Heh, probably so. I can't imagine getting much for it anyway, as the place I sell my books off too pays only a small percentage of what Amazon charges for books (they use Amazon as a price guideline).

The good news is this same place (Rasputin's) charges at most a few bucks for large hardcovers.

Hopefully some kid new to D&D finds that book and uses it like crazy.



IIRC, I got my copy off of eBay, for a little under the cover price.

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Marc
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I got a used copy of The Banewarrens for my Sigil campaign, I think if they print a Pathfinder version, it would sell.

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Jeremy Grenemyer
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I had my boxes all set to go to the book seller, and I took the Ptolus copy out and put it back on the shelf.

I blame Wooly.

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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by Jeremy Grenemyer

I had my boxes all set to go to the book seller, and I took the Ptolus copy out and put it back on the shelf.

I blame Wooly.



MWAHAHAHAHA! My diabolical plan is working!

(Now I need to go figure out what that plan is, and how this helps accomplish it... )

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Dalor Darden
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All I can say is "Ghoulworm"!

One of the nastiest nasty things ever!

The Old Grey Box and AD&D for me!
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George Krashos
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This is what they should have done for Waterdeep.

-- George Krashos

"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus
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Dalor Darden
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quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

This is what they should have done for Waterdeep.

-- George Krashos




Would that be out of the question in the future? Do you think something like that could be pushed through the powers that be? With this transition to a new edition...no time like the present eh?

The Old Grey Box and AD&D for me!
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quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

This is what they should have done for Waterdeep.

-- George Krashos




Mmmmm, big book of Waterdeep lore... Mmmmm </drooling Homer Simpson>

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Erik Scott de Bie
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quote:
Originally posted by Dalor Darden

quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

This is what they should have done for Waterdeep.
-- George Krashos

Would that be out of the question in the future? Do you think something like that could be pushed through the powers that be? With this transition to a new edition...no time like the present eh?

Sounds brilliant to me. "Waterdeep: City of Splendors," 500+ pages of lore, schemes, NPCs, campaign/adventure hooks, etc. . . .

Great. Now you've got me brainstorming. Thanks for that. (I *also* blame Wooly.)

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 13 Mar 2013 :  19:00:02  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie

quote:
Originally posted by Dalor Darden

quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

This is what they should have done for Waterdeep.
-- George Krashos

Would that be out of the question in the future? Do you think something like that could be pushed through the powers that be? With this transition to a new edition...no time like the present eh?

Sounds brilliant to me. "Waterdeep: City of Splendors," 500+ pages of lore, schemes, NPCs, campaign/adventure hooks, etc. . . .

Great. Now you've got me brainstorming. Thanks for that. (I *also* blame Wooly.)

Cheers



Only 500? I thought we were going for something like the Ptolus book...

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My vote goes to a trilogy of books...each with 500 or so pages.

Book one: the city

Book two: the under-city

Book three: the lands around

EDIT for itchy trigger finger

The Old Grey Box and AD&D for me!

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The Sage
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quote:
Originally posted by Dalor Darden

My vote goes to a trilogy of books...each with 500 or so pages.

Book one: the city

Book two: the under-city

Book three: the lands around

EDIT for itchy trigger finger

Something like the format for the original Iron Kingdoms RPG would be neat. Two books -- each around 300+ pages, and dividing the treatment of Waterdeeep between game mechanics in one book, and pure setting material in the second book.

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quote:
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This is what they should have done for Waterdeep.

-- George Krashos




I'd sooner they gave you the gig for a 300+ pages for Impiltur first George.
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

Only 500? I thought we were going for something like the Ptolus book...
Hey, I said 500+. That + can easily be another 500 pages.

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Erik Scott de Bie

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The Sage
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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

This is what they should have done for Waterdeep.

-- George Krashos




I'd sooner they gave you the gig for a 300+ pages for Impiltur first George.

The "Shut Up and Take My Money" internet meme would seem appropriate here.

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Big books of this size are not the extreme outliers they used to be. Paizo has a 400-something page anniversary edition of their Rise of the Runelords adventure path, Frog God games has two mega-dungeon adventures well in excess of this.

On the city setting front we have Ptolus, and presently Green Ronin is trying to kickstart their 500+ page Freeport hardcover.
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quote:
Originally posted by PaulBestwick

quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

This is what they should have done for Waterdeep.

-- George Krashos




I'd sooner they gave you the gig for a 300+ pages for Impiltur first George.



Paul, I appreciate the sentiment. I'm not sure I could do something like that on my own given the time constraints in my life, but a trip to GEN-CON next year might likely galvanise me to finish off the Impiltur Lineage, a few more swords from Soargar's Legacy (although the one I posted as a Xmas present on my thread didn't raise a ripple - I might need a new "shtick") and an Impiltur timeline. I do after all have to bring gifts!

And if WotC did come calling for an Impiltur book, well I think I would just have to find that time. It would be an opportunity too good to miss.

Cheers.

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I just saw this on Facebook... I've no idea how long the sale will last, so I recommend jumping all over it now -- The pdf of Ptolus, The City by the Spire is on sale for a mere $20!

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quote:
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I just saw this on Facebook... I've no idea how long the sale will last, so I recommend jumping all over it now -- The pdf of Ptolus, The City by the Spire is on sale for a mere $20!

That's a great deal, and it's the perfect opportunity for those not already familiar with the awesome work Monte's put into this beast, to get copies for themselves.

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Went for the Ptolus sale yesterday. It's actually a bundle with more than just the main Ptolus book. It also contains some smaller PDFs of related products, I think the players guide, the Banewarrens dungeon, the Chaositech supplement, etc. I haven't downloaded it yet because the download client bugged out from traffic last night.
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