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xaeyruudh
Master of Realmslore
USA
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 Posted - 10 Jan 2013 : 02:45:23
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It's said somewhere that the Roll of Years names the years until 2163 DR... but the downloadable list stops at 1600.
Anyone know where/if the rest of the list can be found?
And speaking of years, happy 2013. 
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 10 Jan 2013 : 03:08:24
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That's news to me. Are you sure that's not some Realms fan's homebrew fancies?
Tom Costa, according to the Realms-L FAQ hosted here at Candlekeep, stated the following:-
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5.4.2. How were the beginning (-700 DR) and ending (1600 DR) years for the Roll of Years chosen?
Tom Costa replied: As one of the namers, here are some answers.....
This was for the most part an arbitrary decision based on part on making sure we covered dates that covered all the years from Alaundo and Auguthra the Mad's prophecies. However, we came up with more names than originally expected and so Steven added more named years to the rolls. It was a lot of names to come up with and I think all of us were pretty proud of the result. In the end, I believe the ultimate goal was to cover a period far back in history for creators and players to be able to use year names and far enough in the future to cover anticipated future events and products (which 200+ years should aptly cover I believe).
Steven Schend added:
Why did we stop at -700 and 1600? Well, two reasons. A) 2300 years names is more than enough grist for the creative mills of DMs out there. and B) If we added more at either end of that spectrum, they're either so far before or after current campaigns that they're less and less useful.
Thus, I tend to view the Roll of Years as an archaic source of information about the Realms as it was back when the Roll was first put together. There may have been a lot of good ideas and references floating around at the time that were incorporated into it, and then either ignored, forgotten, or simply cast aside as progress on the setting's design shifted elsewhere.
Regardless, 1600 DR probably seemed like an adequate "Let's stop it here" point -- once most of the work on the Roll, was done.
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BEAST
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 10 Jan 2013 : 03:33:53
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| I detect some vague whiff of the Mayan calendar, there. If the Roll of Years was cut off at 1600 DR, then does that mean that the Realms will come to an end in that year?! Say it ain't so, No(stradamus)! |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 10 Jan 2013 : 05:05:14
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Alaundo's Prophecies (from Alaundo's Library at Candlekeep)
Alaundo used the Roll of Years in labeling his prophecies. There are a number of sages who believe that Alaundo created the Roll of Years, but this is largely wrong. The Roll of Years was started back in -422 DR by a sage named Augathra the Mad. Augathra was an elderly woman who began to have visions, which she recorded. The majority of these were lost over time, and those that remained have not always proven accurate. The Roll of Years extends to what will be 2163 DR, and has remained largely intact. One or two smaller sections of the Roll are missing, lost to time, and these Alaundo had replaced with names of his own devising. The biggest gaps are from 1352 to 1369 DR and from 1804 to 1829 DR, though there are about a dozen one- or two-year gaps throughout. It is said that Alaundo catered his prophecies to Augathra's names, as the old woman did not have a very good track record with her own prophecies.
2163DR is named (here) as the Year of Saddened Magicians. To me this suggests a final end to magic in the Realms, or at least a point beyond which magical divinations and prophecies no longer function. |
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Edited by - Ayrik on 10 Jan 2013 05:16:21 |
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 10 Jan 2013 : 05:26:06
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31701 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jan 2013 : 05:44:01
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| I thought as much. Taking the Roll of Years to 2163 DR didn't sound like something either TSR or Wizards would've done. I think Tom Costa and Steven Schend's earlier take, is largely where we are at with this. |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 10 Jan 2013 : 05:55:37
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| Sorry, who is Frank Penca? Was he "officially" associated with TSR/WotC at the time of this writing (circa 1999)? |
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xaeyruudh
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 10 Jan 2013 : 08:06:42
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I see. Thanks for the quote from the FAQ, Sage... I had forgotten that the Roll was mentioned in there.
1600 isn't as big a step into the future anymore. Perhaps more official development of the Roll (and/or adoption of fan development) will be forthcoming. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 10 Jan 2013 : 08:17:19
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Originally posted by Ayrik
Sorry, who is Frank Penca? Was he "officially" associated with TSR/WotC at the time of this writing (circa 1999)?
I don't think so. And I've never heard of him beyond the Halls of Candlekeep.
His various entries are on the Traveler's Notebook shelf of the main site, which is generally for non-official material supporting the Realms. |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
11701 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jan 2013 : 15:27:55
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Originally posted by Ayrik
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Alaundo's Prophecies (from Alaundo's Library at Candlekeep)
Alaundo used the Roll of Years in labeling his prophecies. There are a number of sages who believe that Alaundo created the Roll of Years, but this is largely wrong. The Roll of Years was started back in -422 DR by a sage named Augathra the Mad. Augathra was an elderly woman who began to have visions, which she recorded. The majority of these were lost over time, and those that remained have not always proven accurate. The Roll of Years extends to what will be 2163 DR, and has remained largely intact. One or two smaller sections of the Roll are missing, lost to time, and these Alaundo had replaced with names of his own devising. The biggest gaps are from 1352 to 1369 DR and from 1804 to 1829 DR, though there are about a dozen one- or two-year gaps throughout. It is said that Alaundo catered his prophecies to Augathra's names, as the old woman did not have a very good track record with her own prophecies.
2163DR is named (here) as the Year of Saddened Magicians. To me this suggests a final end to magic in the Realms, or at least a point beyond which magical divinations and prophecies no longer function.
Or it could just be the year that all magicians develop erectile dysfunction..... I think that'd make a LOT of saddened magicians. |
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Alystra Illianniis
Great Reader
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31701 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jan 2013 : 01:56:16
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
Only if they were male magicians. The female ones would not have that problem. Maybe it's the year when Mystra reveals herself to have been Ao all along, and/or she decides "no more magic" (a la Scarlet Witch)?
And then the Realms is awash in a white light...
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Brimstone
Great Reader
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Posted - 11 Jan 2013 : 15:10:35
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Kajehase
Great Reader
Sweden
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Posted - 11 Jan 2013 : 16:49:32
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
Only if they were male magicians. The female ones would not have that problem. Maybe it's the year when Mystra reveals herself to have been Ao all along, and/or she decides "no more magic" (a la Scarlet Witch)?
Women? Do magic? Preposterous! Next they'll want the vote too! |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 12 Jan 2013 : 00:24:36
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Originally posted by Ayrik
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Alaundo's Prophecies (from Alaundo's Library at Candlekeep)
Alaundo used the Roll of Years in labeling his prophecies. There are a number of sages who believe that Alaundo created the Roll of Years, but this is largely wrong. The Roll of Years was started back in -422 DR by a sage named Augathra the Mad. Augathra was an elderly woman who began to have visions, which she recorded. The majority of these were lost over time, and those that remained have not always proven accurate. The Roll of Years extends to what will be 2163 DR, and has remained largely intact. One or two smaller sections of the Roll are missing, lost to time, and these Alaundo had replaced with names of his own devising. The biggest gaps are from 1352 to 1369 DR and from 1804 to 1829 DR, though there are about a dozen one- or two-year gaps throughout. It is said that Alaundo catered his prophecies to Augathra's names, as the old woman did not have a very good track record with her own prophecies.
2163DR is named (here) as the Year of Saddened Magicians. To me this suggests a final end to magic in the Realms, or at least a point beyond which magical divinations and prophecies no longer function.
The Forgotten Realms Modern game I'm planning to run at GenCon takes place in The Year of the Last Light, 2013 DR, more than 500 years after this whole Sundering business.
But that date's not canonical (at least as-yet).
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Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
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Posted - 12 Jan 2013 : 00:33:11
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| I request a Year of Lost Wizards in the distant future from which my Wild Mage NPC can be inadvertently ejected. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31701 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jan 2013 : 01:09:42
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
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Originally posted by Ayrik
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Alaundo's Prophecies (from Alaundo's Library at Candlekeep)
Alaundo used the Roll of Years in labeling his prophecies. There are a number of sages who believe that Alaundo created the Roll of Years, but this is largely wrong. The Roll of Years was started back in -422 DR by a sage named Augathra the Mad. Augathra was an elderly woman who began to have visions, which she recorded. The majority of these were lost over time, and those that remained have not always proven accurate. The Roll of Years extends to what will be 2163 DR, and has remained largely intact. One or two smaller sections of the Roll are missing, lost to time, and these Alaundo had replaced with names of his own devising. The biggest gaps are from 1352 to 1369 DR and from 1804 to 1829 DR, though there are about a dozen one- or two-year gaps throughout. It is said that Alaundo catered his prophecies to Augathra's names, as the old woman did not have a very good track record with her own prophecies.
2163DR is named (here) as the Year of Saddened Magicians. To me this suggests a final end to magic in the Realms, or at least a point beyond which magical divinations and prophecies no longer function.
The Forgotten Realms Modern game I'm planning to run at GenCon takes place in The Year of the Last Light, 2013 DR, more than 500 years after this whole Sundering business.
But that date's not canonical (at least as-yet).
Cheers
Come now, Erik, you can't drop a tantalising little tidbit like that and not expand on it?
I've always been keen on the idea of running a d20 Modern [or Future] Realms campaign. What can you tell me about your set-up? |
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xaeyruudh
Master of Realmslore
USA
1853 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jan 2013 : 05:18:52
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
The Forgotten Realms Modern game I'm planning to run at GenCon
Is this simply D20 Modern, set in the Realms? Or something else? Either way I'm intrigued.
I was one of the apparently rare peeps who thought d20 modern had a lot of potential. I'm hoping some day to find a few amiable victims for a Dark Matter campaign. But then, I have a lot of hopes... |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 12 Jan 2013 : 05:52:16
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Originally posted by xaeyruudh
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
The Forgotten Realms Modern game I'm planning to run at GenCon
Is this simply D20 Modern, set in the Realms? Or something else? Either way I'm intrigued.
I was one of the apparently rare peeps who thought d20 modern had a lot of potential. I'm hoping some day to find a few amiable victims for a Dark Matter campaign. But then, I have a lot of hopes...
I have some of the D20 Modern stuff, myself, and I'd play it, if given the chance. |
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Thieran
Learned Scribe
Germany
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Posted - 12 Jan 2013 : 12:09:16
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| Our group tried d20 Modern for a few sessions, and we really enjoyed it, but could not continue for various RW reasons. |
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crazedventurers
Master of Realmslore
United Kingdom
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Posted - 13 Jan 2013 : 03:45:59
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
The Forgotten Realms Modern game I'm planning to run at GenCon takes place in The Year of the Last Light, 2013 DR, more than 500 years after this whole Sundering business.
Interestingly I took the opposite approach to using the Spellplague/Sundering RSE and playing a game from the ashes of those two events.
We are currently playing a Crypts and Things* game set somewhere near what used to be the Shining Sea in the shattered realms far into Faerun's future. So far from being modern the Realms has devolved to a brutal sword and sorcery world where fighters and magicians struggle to make their fortunes and live to see to next days sun rise above the azure sea.
Cheers
Damian
* Crypts and Things is based on the Swords and Wizardry game which is a retro-clone of the original 0E edition of D&D.You can download the S&W for free (see below) and add these house rules to make a C&T game
http://enrill.net/documents/akratic-wizardry.pdf
Alternatively go here and get yourself a nice hardback rule book
C&T: http://d101games.com/books/crypts-and-things/
S&W: free rules here http://www.swordsandwizardry.com/?page_id=18
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BEAST
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 13 Jan 2013 : 09:06:43
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Originally posted by sleyvas
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Originally posted by Ayrik
2163DR is named (here) as the Year of Saddened Magicians. To me this suggests a final end to magic in the Realms, or at least a point beyond which magical divinations and prophecies no longer function.
Or it could just be the year that all magicians develop erectile dysfunction..... I think that'd make a LOT of saddened magicians.
2164 DR - The Year of the Little Blue Pill  |
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--Drizzt Do'Urden (The Pirate King, Part 1: Chapter 2)
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Xnella Moonblade-Thann
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 13 Jan 2013 : 10:58:43
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Originally posted by BEAST
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Originally posted by sleyvas
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Originally posted by Ayrik
2163DR is named (here) as the Year of Saddened Magicians. To me this suggests a final end to magic in the Realms, or at least a point beyond which magical divinations and prophecies no longer function.
Or it could just be the year that all magicians develop erectile dysfunction..... I think that'd make a LOT of saddened magicians.
2164 DR - The Year of the Little Blue Pill
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