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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 28 Jan 2013 :  22:17:34  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi, again, all.
xaeyruudh, I’ve sent your questions off to Ed, but from my notes I can tell you the names (nothing else, I’m afraid) of those three “missing” families: they are the houses of Blackdolphyn, Dlarembur, and Klaethyn.
And so far as I know, none of the major families of Tantras was exterminated during the Godswar, or since. Oh, and yes, there are other major merchant families who aren’t noble - - increasing numbers of them as the 1400s unfold, but with the same tensions Waterdeep has: the existing noble families don’t want anyone new recognized as “noble,” regardless of wealth and real mercantile and local social power.
More from Ed, when he can . . .
love,
THO
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xaeyruudh
Master of Realmslore

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Posted - 28 Jan 2013 :  22:50:23  Show Profile  Visit xaeyruudh's Homepage Send xaeyruudh a Private Message
Thank you THO! Perhaps you can answer my addendum as well... on the map of Tantras that came with the FRE2 adventure, location #14 says "Villas and mansions of the rich and noble" ...on the map, I see two 14s... one north of the harbor and one south.

The northern 14 is in the northwestern most part of the city. The southern 14 is just south and east of the Sea Tower.

Are all sixteen families of the High Council clustered along the coast of the Reach? This is logical, since it's the area furthest from the packed and noisy Market.

How tight is the southern cluster of villas? Am I correct in including all the loosely spaced buildings west of Thirlpost Lane and south of Whistleturn Way? Or perhaps including the block north of Whistleturn, minus the long narrow building immediately next to the Sea Tower which is surely one of the Barracks indicated by label 20?


On a barely-related note, though this has undoubtedly been asked many times before... how do clergy/followers of Torm react to Torm (of the Knights?) Does he ever order them around? ("Because I'm Torm, and I said so" seems like something he could say, while seducing an adventurous young acolyte)
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Jeremy Grenemyer
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Posted - 29 Jan 2013 :  00:17:18  Show Profile Send Jeremy Grenemyer a Private Message
Ed and THO I know you can't see this but I'm jumping up and down in my seat right now. Those answers were so awesome! Thank you both very, very much.

Look for me and my content at EN World (user name: sanishiver).
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xaeyruudh
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USA
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Posted - 29 Jan 2013 :  01:30:53  Show Profile  Visit xaeyruudh's Homepage Send xaeyruudh a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Jeremy Grenemyer

I'm jumping up and down in my seat right now. Those answers were so awesome! Thank you both very, very much.



I know that feeling. I feel like a kid at Disneyland every time THO posts.

Many thanks to both of you, and to everyone else who's been part of building this whole crazycool theme park.
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Markustay
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Posted - 29 Jan 2013 :  14:12:07  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message
LOL - I think many of us share that feeling (especially when Ed goes on and on about something we only expected a single-word answer to).

At Xaeyruudh - I am not Ed (and am looking forward to his answer... although I'm pretty sure he has covered this topic before), buuuut...

IMO, it would like me meeting someone in the RW named 'Jesus' (*pronounced Hey-suess when I have encountered this). I didn't feel compelled in the least to listen to them (any more so then anyone else).

Just saying....

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone

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Eilserus
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Posted - 29 Jan 2013 :  18:33:39  Show Profile Send Eilserus a Private Message
Hi Ed and THO,
I was curious if there are any other small villages or towns in the Daggerdale area aside from what we've seen on published maps? Being monster country and long suffering under the Zhents I'm guessing lots of town ruins, but just wanted to see if you had some input. Thanks. :)
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xaeyruudh
Master of Realmslore

USA
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Posted - 29 Jan 2013 :  22:29:39  Show Profile  Visit xaeyruudh's Homepage Send xaeyruudh a Private Message
Tis a good point, Markus, but when did Ed or THO last have a normal/predictable/expected response to any situation? How could their other friends/players possibly let such a golden opportunity pass by?

Did I just say that?

Storm's gonna pop into my living room and kick my butt again.


Edited by - xaeyruudh on 29 Jan 2013 22:32:27
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 30 Jan 2013 :  15:25:44  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Don't you WISH.
Actually, Storm's in here with me. Girls gotta keep warm at this time of year, up here in the Great White North.
Seriously, regarding Torm: there are LOTS of people in the Realms named for various gods. TSR just cut back on them in published Realmslore from the beginning, to Dispel Confusion. Ed has often related the tale of the demon AStharoth and the devil Ashtaroth, taking turns shoqing up when the mortal summoning them or calling on them wanted "the other one," and so didn't prepare for properly controlling who actually appeared (heh heh).
But yes, Torm being Torm, he tried that a time or two. And promptly disovered, as many have before him, that when you make jokes about people's faith, they often don't tend to find that humour as particularly funny.
Ah, well. Get yer butt ready; Storm's on her way . . .
love,
THO
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 30 Jan 2013 :  15:58:44  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Don't you WISH.
Actually, Storm's in here with me. Girls gotta keep warm at this time of year, up here in the Great White North.
Seriously, regarding Torm: there are LOTS of people in the Realms named for various gods. TSR just cut back on them in published Realmslore from the beginning, to Dispel Confusion. Ed has often related the tale of the demon AStharoth and the devil Ashtaroth, taking turns shoqing up when the mortal summoning them or calling on them wanted "the other one," and so didn't prepare for properly controlling who actually appeared (heh heh).
But yes, Torm being Torm, he tried that a time or two. And promptly disovered, as many have before him, that when you make jokes about people's faith, they often don't tend to find that humour as particularly funny.
Ah, well. Get yer butt ready; Storm's on her way . . .
love,
THO



Actually, my lady, down here in Florida, it's considerably warmer than it is in the Great White North. Perhaps you and Storm should come down here, so I can help both of you stay warm.

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The Sage
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Posted - 30 Jan 2013 :  16:05:17  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Don't you WISH.
Actually, Storm's in here with me. Girls gotta keep warm at this time of year, up here in the Great White North.
You are, of course, more than welcome to join myself and the Lady K here in this Great Hot Southern Land, my lovely lady.

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Karth
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Posted - 30 Jan 2013 :  16:06:44  Show Profile  Visit Karth's Homepage  Send Karth an AOL message Send Karth a Private Message
Hooded Lady,

Quick one for you or Ed or both: I need the elven words for 'raven' and 'leaning'. If those two lead to an unexpected deluge of elven lore: so be it. We shall all bask in the windfall... ;)

Cheers,

Karth
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xaeyruudh
Master of Realmslore

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Posted - 30 Jan 2013 :  17:51:11  Show Profile  Visit xaeyruudh's Homepage Send xaeyruudh a Private Message


Thankya. The Astharoth/Ashtaroth thing is pretty funny. There's another case in the lore somewhere about Asmodeus renaming a devil who annoyed him, so that he would have the same name as a much more famous demon lord...

Two of them actually... Dagon and Azazel. (my turn to check notes)

And Ed wrote the article, in Dragon 91. He likes confusion, doesn't he.
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 30 Jan 2013 :  18:23:03  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all.
Karth, if by "raven" you mean the bird, it's "thimril" in elder days, and "thimron" nowadays in the Realms, according to Ed. "Raven" as despoil, ravage, and plunder is "urlril."
For "leaning" do you mean tilting or at an angle, or tending towards/drifting towards/inclining towards?
love,
THO
Who appreciates the kind offers of Wolly Rupert and The Sage. One of these days...
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire

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Posted - 30 Jan 2013 :  19:48:35  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message
And now I am reminded of the episode of Big Bang Theory wherein Sheldon had a female Physicist friend 'get frisky' with the other three ner.. err.. men. One of my favorites.

Quick Question: Which of the two Seven Sisters almost killed each other? I have some memory of the event (I don't believe they knew who each other were then), but I can't recall the specifics.

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone

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NineCoronas
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Posted - 30 Jan 2013 :  20:14:14  Show Profile Send NineCoronas a Private Message
I'm looking for an Elven (dialect, Everaskan, if there is one) translation for "Beautiful Butcher".
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Karth
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Posted - 31 Jan 2013 :  00:58:27  Show Profile  Visit Karth's Homepage  Send Karth an AOL message Send Karth a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hi again, all.
Karth, if by "raven" you mean the bird, it's "thimril" in elder days, and "thimron" nowadays in the Realms, according to Ed. "Raven" as despoil, ravage, and plunder is "urlril."
For "leaning" do you mean tilting or at an angle, or tending towards/drifting towards/inclining towards?
love,
THO
Who appreciates the kind offers of Wolly Rupert and The Sage. One of these days...



Ack... Apologies, I guess that wasn't clear enough. Raven as in the bird, yes. Thank you. Leaning as in tilting or at an angle. As in a leaning tree or leaning tower...
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Seravin
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Posted - 31 Jan 2013 :  02:30:35  Show Profile Send Seravin a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

And now I am reminded of the episode of Big Bang Theory wherein Sheldon had a female Physicist friend 'get frisky' with the other three ner.. err.. men. One of my favorites.

Quick Question: Which of the two Seven Sisters almost killed each other? I have some memory of the event (I don't believe they knew who each other were then), but I can't recall the specifics.



From the Seven Sisters sourcebook, it was Laeral and Sylune who nearly killed eachother in battle near Luskan. Mystra intervened and asked them to be Chosen.
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire

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Posted - 31 Jan 2013 :  03:18:18  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message
Ah, okay.

Thanks Seravin.

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crazedventurers
Master of Realmslore

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Posted - 31 Jan 2013 :  17:05:32  Show Profile  Visit crazedventurers's Homepage Send crazedventurers a Private Message
Hello All

Ed are there any rules on naming of a newborn into the Obarskyr family? Any precedents that need to be followed, any names not allowed etc?

And feel free to extend this to the Silver houses and other prominent nobles families as well, (am wondering if more 'common-folk' names ever make it into a noble house?)

Cheers

Damian

So saith Ed. I've never said he was sane, have I?
Gods, all this writing and he's running a constant fantasy version of Coronation Street in his head, too. .
shudder,
love to all,
THO
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 31 Jan 2013 :  18:03:11  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi, all.
Damian, this is by no means a proper answer, but I can tell you from play that commoner names do make it into noble families (and that some noble mothers love to create new names by mashing together other names they've heard, that catch their fancy), but that most Cormyrean noble babies are loaded down with lots of family names evoking revered or dear recently departed ancestors.

Ed just provided me with an example to share with you until he can craft a longer reply:

Fendarl and Daerthra Illance (Fendarl is a cousin of the current heir, and his wife Daerthra a Huntinglance by birth) recently had a son, usually known formally as Darvyn, and within the family as "Dar."
His full, formal name is Andemarl Daryn Trevilar Hothon Baerilym Dathmur Illance.
Andemarl is his paternal grandfather's name, Daryn was a "new" name for the family when it was borne by Dar's paternal great-great-great grandfather, Trevilar is the name of Dar's maternal father, Hothon an old and oft-used Huntinglance name, Baerilym the name of a long-ago "war hero" Illance remembered for his distinguished battlefield service, and Dathmur is a common name in Cormyr (and so, much used by lower and middle class citizens) that's new to the Illances, so far as their written records go back.

I would say the lorryload of given names Dar received is fairly typical of noble-born sons or daughters. Who of course never habitually use more than two of them: the one they prefer, and the one the family uses for them. Disapproving elder aunts, El told me years back, often find out what name a person most hates and use it when "talking down" to the kin they wish to cow, embarrass, lecture, or denounce.
love,
THO
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NineCoronas
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Posted - 31 Jan 2013 :  23:07:22  Show Profile Send NineCoronas a Private Message
Also, second follow up question I'm sure has been asked before... are evil races evil because they are born straight evil, or is it their culture that makes them evil? Is it wrong for a Paladin to slaughter a bunch of Kobold children babies because someday they MAY be evil?
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Ayrik
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Posted - 01 Feb 2013 :  00:12:34  Show Profile Send Ayrik a Private Message
There are many Realmslore examples of non-Evil individuals born to Evil races. Drizzt (CG drow ranger) is of course the most famous example. What if Drizzt was murdered as an infant, or murdered during his evil youth?

Putting the questions of individual potential and redemption aside ... I would say slaughtering infants is never a good act, even if it's done with good intentions. Philosophers have studied these problems for ages. Paladins must reconcile their own ethics (deontological vs utilitarian) while finding a path which remains true to their morals. Troubled paladins can always seek guidance through prayer and faith.

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Markustay
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Posted - 01 Feb 2013 :  00:35:41  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message
@NineCoronas - you just inspired some very odd and evil thoughts for my next campaign - thanks.

(a paladin-run 'orphanage' that kills the children when they come of age)

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xaeyruudh
Master of Realmslore

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Posted - 01 Feb 2013 :  00:37:48  Show Profile  Visit xaeyruudh's Homepage Send xaeyruudh a Private Message
Hokay, another query about trees. 'cuz trees are awesome.

This is prompted by a pictorial sort of trivia chart thing: https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/76116_543054235715592_1494354890_n.jpg

The "wildest trunk", oldest single-clonal and non-clonal, "biggest" (in terms of estimated mass), and tallest trees in the world. ...I don't even know what single/non-clonal means.

So, query: what species of trees in the Realms would answer these and other "min/max" sorts of trivia questions? Excluding unique intelligent entities, I think.

Does the Realms have a type of tree that can theoretically stand for 10,000 years, or approach 40 feet in diameter or 400 feet in height?

Of course the trees referenced in this pic are unique and not all members of the species will be so exceptional. Just curious about which ones are most likely to reach extreme dimensions or hardiness or whatever.

Highest elevation would also be a neat factoid.



Also... odd thought just occurred to me. Since there are a few places where cities/realms have been sunk for various reasons... are there any cases where forests have continued to thrive underwater due to... anything? Maybe a mythal, or a long-lasting wild magic flare, or an aquatic druid... something like a duskwood stand, underwater for 200 years and still not rotting?

Perhaps I should file that cool mental image under "just too odd."
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crazedventurers
Master of Realmslore

United Kingdom
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Posted - 01 Feb 2013 :  02:43:20  Show Profile  Visit crazedventurers's Homepage Send crazedventurers a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One
but that most Cormyrean noble babies are loaded down with lots of family names evoking revered or dear recently departed ancestors.

love,
THO


excellent post THO, many many thanks to Ed for the answer

Cheers

Damian
who is off to work on some more long and convoluted family naming traditions for nobles in Cormyr

So saith Ed. I've never said he was sane, have I?
Gods, all this writing and he's running a constant fantasy version of Coronation Street in his head, too. .
shudder,
love to all,
THO
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Edited by - crazedventurers on 01 Feb 2013 02:44:11
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