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Barastir
Master of Realmslore

Brazil
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Posted - 12 Nov 2013 :  11:13:46  Show Profile  Click to see Barastir's MSN Messenger address Send Barastir a Private Message
I'd like to expand Sill Alias' question: as in the 2e Old Empires accessory, magic from Kara-Tur and Zakhara would be different from normal Faerûnian magic? Would "spellcraft" from one region recognize the patterns of magic from other regions? Or magic, to work, must obey universal patterns? Maybe magic was discovered in one proto-culture and spread in ancient times throughout the world?

"Goodness is not a natural state, but must be
fought for to be attained and maintained.
Lead by example.
Let your deeds speak your intentions.
Goodness radiated from the heart."

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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire

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Posted - 12 Nov 2013 :  13:35:17  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message
Well, in canon 'southern magic' used to be very different then the magic practiced in the Heartlands, but that was swept under the table in later editions (which is a damn shame, IMHO).

I think this is one of those areas where simplicity of game mechanics over-ride common sense and lore.

Question:
I have noted several "ex-Cormyrian War Wizards" in canon (just found another in Raven's Bluff), still plying their trade, but no longer associated with Cormyr..... OR ARE THEY? How many of these 'expatriates' are really placed precisely where they are to 'watch over certain things'?

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone


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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 12 Nov 2013 :  18:19:01  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all!
Sill Alias and Barastir, in details of verbal, somatic, and material components spells do vary widely from region to region in the Realms, but there are indeed "universal" elements that enable MOST castings to be partly-identified by an observer, akin to the way someone who vaguely knows a little of another language can interpret more than they actually know, by examining context. (This comes from discussions with Ed over the years, not right out of my behind.)
And Markustay, re. those "ex" War Wizards: you're definitely on to something.
love,
THO
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rjfras
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Posted - 12 Nov 2013 :  22:48:37  Show Profile  Visit rjfras's Homepage Send rjfras a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hi again, all!
Sill Alias and Barastir, in details of verbal, somatic, and material components spells do vary widely from region to region in the Realms, but there are indeed "universal" elements that enable MOST castings to be partly-identified by an observer, akin to the way someone who vaguely knows a little of another language can interpret more than they actually know, by examining context. (This comes from discussions with Ed over the years, not right out of my behind.)
And Markustay, re. those "ex" War Wizards: you're definitely on to something.
love,
THO


Perhaps we should examine your behind... you know, just to make sure...
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Barastir
Master of Realmslore

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Posted - 13 Nov 2013 :  10:04:53  Show Profile  Click to see Barastir's MSN Messenger address Send Barastir a Private Message
Thank you very much, dear THO. Any clues about standard (weave) magic having but one origin? This would be from a proto-culture in which magic was created or discovered before a diaspora, a divine origin, or both? Different kinds of magic (weave, shadow, etc.) would also have the similarities mentioned in your previous answer? If so, would they have the same root (or one be based on the other)?

"Goodness is not a natural state, but must be
fought for to be attained and maintained.
Lead by example.
Let your deeds speak your intentions.
Goodness radiated from the heart."

The Paladin's Virtues, excerpt from the "Quentin's Monograph"
(by Ed Greenwood)

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paladinnicolas
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Posted - 13 Nov 2013 :  10:07:59  Show Profile Send paladinnicolas a Private Message
Dear THO, could you please ask this to Ed? I just read in Power of Faerun, recently available on dndclassics.com, that in the Realms licensed lawyers do not exist but that sometimes there are unprofessional and not necessarily law-expert advocates. I just wanted to ask him if according to him this has changed in the Realms since the date covered in the product after all the time advances. I am fond of legal intrigue and thrillers and wanted to run some in the Realms, reason why I'm curious. Thanks as usual!
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Markustay
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Posted - 13 Nov 2013 :  13:43:47  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message
There were lawyers in The Realms once - it was the one time that ALL the races got together to fight a common evil. They now reside at the bottom of the ocean.

I always knew Faerûnians were much smarter then 'Earthers'.

{all of the above is untrue, BTW... but the idea makes me smile.}

Question:
I'm not sure how to put any of this. You're last response to one of my queries was cryptic, and of course has my mind 'connecting the dots' once again. Lets see...

Are the dragons more important in Realms history then we realize? Is there some 'big secret' hiding just beneath the surface that we haven't stumbled upon yet?

And BTW, thanks for that response; even though it wasn't much of answer, anything that gets me to pore through old sourcebooks again is definitely a good thing.

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone


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The Red Walker
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Posted - 13 Nov 2013 :  16:14:55  Show Profile  Send The Red Walker a Yahoo! Message Send The Red Walker a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

snip!

Question:
I'm not sure how to put any of this. You're last response to one of my queries was cryptic, and of course has my mind 'connecting the dots' once again. Lets see...

Are the dragons more important in Realms history then we realize? Is there some 'big secret' hiding just beneath the surface that we haven't stumbled upon yet?



I have had those thoughts as well about Dragons. And it would seem likely that there are many more "holed up" around the realms than we have ever heard even a tiny scrap about. They can't all be as easy to kill as the ones are that show up in novels.

And I have also found it likely that there are more than a handful of very old and powerful dragons, walking the realms in a shapechanged form , all but undetectable due to there power and wisdom. And maybe a few of them arent even "plotting" anything, they are just enjoying living!

A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka

"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -

John F. Kennedy, speech in Dublin, Ireland, June 28, 1963
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The Sage
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Posted - 14 Nov 2013 :  02:14:14  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by paladinnicolas

Dear THO, could you please ask this to Ed? I just read in Power of Faerun, recently available on dndclassics.com, that in the Realms licensed lawyers do not exist but that sometimes there are unprofessional and not necessarily law-expert advocates. I just wanted to ask him if according to him this has changed in the Realms since the date covered in the product after all the time advances. I am fond of legal intrigue and thrillers and wanted to run some in the Realms, reason why I'm curious. Thanks as usual!

Ed will undoubtedly have more, but I will note that lawyers in the Realms have been mentioned in the old DC Realms comics.

The only other reference that immediately comes to mind is a rather prickly description of lawyers by Elminster in one of the 'Wizards Three' articles. The 'Wizards Three' lawyer reference is in "Once More the Three" [DRAGON #200]:-

“’Lawyer’? What’s a lawyer?” Dalamar asked.

“An agent for thieves and the like, widely used in this world to keep folk from using their swords. They fence with words, not blades,” Elminster replied. Mordenkainen grunted around a forkful of lasagna, “If I know anything about such envoys, most of them doubtless will soon be bigger thieves than those they represent.”

...

I also have this little tidbit from the Lady Hooded One, which may prove informative for you:-

"Icelander, the role of adjudicating legal agreements is carried out by at least four groups, depending on where you are in the Realms:
1. heralds (who concern themselves most with definitions and identifications, such as whether you are the "Hrundar the Potter" named on the parchment, and what is meant by "my best wagon")
2. courtiers
3. local Black Robes (magistrates)
4. clerics of many deities (such as Tyr)
Now, if you're looking for "independent of government" representatives, their role is filled in larger cities (all capitals along the Sword Coast, for example, and in Sembia) by the hired "advocates" Ed has mentioned in the past. Courtiers and Black Robes tend to make rulings strongly supportive of what rulers tell them to say, or in "lock step" support of existing government policy . . . but then, that's the real-world situation, too, almost everywhere.
This reply is drawn from my play over the years in the Realms with Ed as DM. If you'd like a deeper lore response, post a query in this year's Questions for Eddie thread, as you did re. the gems and sailing times, and I'll make sure he sees it. He WILL respond (how soon, I can't say).
love,
THO"

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paladinnicolas
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Posted - 14 Nov 2013 :  13:13:17  Show Profile Send paladinnicolas a Private Message
Dear Sage, thanks so much for the information you sent. I hope Ed answers the question. In my opinion, a world in which trade is so important as in the Realms legal foreseeability and counsel seem relevant, surpassing criminal matters, which would make it likely for merchants to seek some strong legal opinion for their agreements; and nations likely have some rules on their international relations. Dear Markustay, you have discovered something, I and other Realms' playing lawyers have risen from the depths of the sea to take my revenge against all races :)
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire

USA
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Posted - 14 Nov 2013 :  14:56:15  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message
So lawyers are akin to Aboleths? That makes so much sense!

I am now picturing a be-speckled Aboleth - and they have six eyes - poring over some cryptic legal document (probably with a fiend in the background... and a VERY nervous mortal.)

Question: Sort-of related to my previous question...
As far as the 'deeper secrets' of the Realms are concerned - at last one of which you've said is 'staring everyone right in the face' - will we EVER get a little more info about some of them? Do you think it might be possible to peel-back a wee-bit of another layer for the 5e Sundering material? (I am assuming here this Sundering is related to the first, and we will be getting some history to go with it... PLEASE!)

Grammatical/tense sensitive correction

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Edited by - Markustay on 19 Nov 2013 17:29:22
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Demzer
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Posted - 15 Nov 2013 :  10:33:55  Show Profile Send Demzer a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
at last one of which you say is 'staring everyone right in the face'



Uh? I don't like things staring at me!

Do you remember what was the context? Maybe it's time to go secret hunting again and post weird and convoluted theories just for s**t and giggles.
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Demzer
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Posted - 15 Nov 2013 :  10:43:54  Show Profile Send Demzer a Private Message
Ed & THO,
Re-reading parts of Dwarves Deep i'm intrigued by the the "Holy Hammer" brotherhood and "The Living Axe" cult, something more than what published that you can share?

Some more precise questions:
- What's the "Holy Hammer" agenda? Do they even have one?
- Has someone caught on what the Hammers are doing? Stalking and spying on them or trying to stop them?
- Is there any specific "Holy Hammer" brotherhood deed in the 1360s or 1370s that you can reveal to us?
- Are there any other prominent intelligent weapons guiding "The Living Axe" cult aside from the "Living Axe" itself? If yes, is there attrition between the different intelligent weapons and the cult cells attached to them?
- Do the cultist stick to intelligent and animated weapons of only genuine dwarven make or do they revere any sentient blade they come across? Or maybe that's a separate "heretic" branch of the cult?
- Is there any specific "The Living Axe" cult deed in the 1360s or 1370s that you can reveal to us?
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sfdragon
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Posted - 16 Nov 2013 :  06:50:24  Show Profile Send sfdragon a Private Message
I have a yes or no but nda answer I hope its not.

Ed do you have any plans to use Khelben " Ravencloak" Arunson the younger in 5e?????( well its not like I was asking about the older)

why is being a wizard like being a drow? both are likely to find a dagger in the back from a rival or one looking to further his own goals, fame and power


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Kris the Grey
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Posted - 18 Nov 2013 :  05:03:01  Show Profile Send Kris the Grey a Private Message
Hey now, go easy on the lawyers...

Quick question to THO/Ed.

The cult/church of Sharess in Waterdeep (circa 1372ish), is it detailed anywhere? I'm looking for info on the current (as of then) High Priestess, general size of the membership, and where its shrine/temple is located (at a Festhall perhaps). Might such information exist?

Thank you for any lore you might share on the subject!

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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 19 Nov 2013 :  15:52:08  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all.
Well, seeing as James Wyatt blogged about it, and there was a radio interview and bookstore signing involved, I guess the Wizards summit Ed and most of the other Sundering authors just attended out in Seattle isn't a secret anymore.
I can tell you nothing about what was discussed, because that IS secret and Ed can't and won't share. However, I can tell you he arrived home happy, despite the length and hassles of air travel these days. And is harder at work than ever.
He promises to get to some lore replies as soon as he can, but shared some swift thoughts and replies whilst eyeballing the latest queries here in this thread, so I can post these:

sfdragon, your query about Khelben the Younger is, I'm afraid, NDA. Sorry.

Demzer, the Holy Hammer brotherhood does indeed have an agenda. Ed will give you proper answers to your "great, meaty questions" ASAP.

Kris, Ed tells me there's nothing in print re. Sharess because the sexual/sensual side of the Realms was being downplayed at the time when 4e was being designed, but yes, he has some notes (because he prepares endless Waterdeep Bibles for in-house Wizards design use, and because play in Waterdeep goes on in various campaigns he DMs or visits from time to time) which he'll dig out and share with you when he can.

Everyone, I get the impression that "when he can" might be this coming weekend, though dribs and drabs may come sooner. Our Ed's a busy boy right now.
love to all,
THO
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Kris the Grey
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Posted - 19 Nov 2013 :  17:49:30  Show Profile Send Kris the Grey a Private Message
THO/Ed,

Excellent news about the summit! I'm glad to hear things are continuing apace in the world of the WoTC/Realms alliance.

I eagerly await Ed's Waterdeep/Sharess lore whenever he's got the time to share it! It need not be ahem...overly detailed...in this forum if that's easier. I was mainly looking for the Who's and Where's of the organization's presence in the city (not so much their weekly party schedule...although if he has that lore too he knows where he can send it, Lol).

I've got a group of players who are attempting to insinuate themselves with the Waterhavian chapter of the church so they might get a group of the faithful together to attend the Midsummer Eve's Endless Revel at the main temple of the faith in Calimport (another party that, if Ed has lore about, I'd be eager to get the details on).

THO - thanks again for playing the role of mediator, translator, and general lore bearer!

Kris the Grey - Member in Good Standing of the Watchful Order of Magists and Protectors, the Arcane Guild of Silverymoon, and the Connecticut Bar Association
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rjfras
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Posted - 19 Nov 2013 :  23:49:45  Show Profile  Visit rjfras's Homepage Send rjfras a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Kris the Grey

THO/Ed,
...although if he has that lore too he knows where he can send it, Lol).




Hey! no hoarding the lore!
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Kris the Grey
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Posted - 20 Nov 2013 :  04:51:47  Show Profile Send Kris the Grey a Private Message
Rjfras,

Just keepin' it family friendly. Lol

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paladinnicolas
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Posted - 20 Nov 2013 :  10:46:22  Show Profile Send paladinnicolas a Private Message
Thanks THO! I really hope Ed can answer the question about lawyers.
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paladinnicolas
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Posted - 20 Nov 2013 :  20:54:04  Show Profile Send paladinnicolas a Private Message
I would like to ask Ed another question if I may: how are disputes between nations and city-states handled in the Realms? In canon I am aware of treaties (e.g. mentioned in the Companions) and the activities of ambassadors (they are mentioned in Power of Faerun), and perhaps churches exert some influence or mediation, as was once said by THO. Apart from this, I specifically would like to know if sometimes priests of Tyr performed conciliation activities or examined disputes between nations from a legal point of view. Is there something as international law in Faerun?
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Wooly Rupert
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Reading The Hobbit today, on my lunch break, I was struck by a thought... If you're a dragon, taking over a dwarven city/stronghold isn't an easy task. Sure, dwarven strongholds are pretty nice lairs, but dwarves are reluctant to give them up, and dragons can't fit down all those corridors/mineshafts. And spells and breath weapons only go so far...

So have there been cases in the Realms, where a dragon tried to conquer a dwarven stronghold and turn it into its lair, but was unable to clean out the dwarves, eventually leading to (however uneasily) dwarves and dragon sharing the same space?

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Markustay
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Posted - 23 Nov 2013 :  12:43:28  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message
Its a standard trope that entire cities/kingdoms of dwarves CAN'T beat a dragon, but if they come back around a century later with only a half-dozen guys or so, they will beat him handily.

Which always struck me as really strange, so I would also like to hear Ed's thoughts on this. I mean, seriously... you'd think they'd stop building dragon-sized entrance-ways after awhile.

Question:
Aside from the obvious Lhaleo(sp?), and perhaps baby Azoun V, have there been other 'hiding in plain site' folk that are either unaware of their heritage, or aware but afraid to step forward, and were 'watched over' by Chosen or Harpers or whomever else, all in secret?

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone


Edited by - Markustay on 23 Nov 2013 12:46:04
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Amedahast
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Could Ed, THO, or any other knowledgeable sages tell me anything about the elvish House Iliathor?

I can only find two references to that house: Jhenna Iliathor, a Harper who makes her residence in an Oghma temple (why a human deity? is Jhenna a half-elf?), and a quick note that the Iliathor family was known to have had a kiira stone. The latter suggests they were a noble house at one point, or at least wealthy and powerful.

Could anyone help me with additional details? Were they sun elves or moon elves? Where did they live? Were they known for anything? Does the House still exist in the 1370s? Truly, any details about them would be appreciated for my home campaign. I'm less interested in the kiira and more interested in everyday, mundane details. Thanks!
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paladinnicolas
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Dear Ed and THO, I was wondering if there are purely academic universities in the Realms that do not focus only on teaching magic. Are there any? Thanks!
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