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Barastir
Master of Realmslore

Brazil
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Posted - 20 Jun 2013 :  11:50:51  Show Profile  Click to see Barastir's MSN Messenger address Send Barastir a Private Message
I've sent this question yesterday to the sages, but today I thought maybe I should ask it directly to Ed, not only asking about published lore but expanding it to whatever additional information he can bring about it:

In the 'Volo's Guide to the North' the legend of the Moondark Mountains, an ancient elven cluster of magic-rich citadels, whose inhabitants apparently left the world through Spelljamming. Have any newer lore been published that confirms those tales, and that says of which elven realms those citadels were part? And I've also noted that the name of the temple of Solonor the Archer God in Evereska is 'Moondark Hill'. Is there any connections between those places that you know about?

I was also wondering if there was any connection between those tales and the stories of winged elves near the Spine of the World. Could you please shed some light over these questions?

"Goodness is not a natural state, but must be
fought for to be attained and maintained.
Lead by example.
Let your deeds speak your intentions.
Goodness radiated from the heart."

The Paladin's Virtues, excerpt from the "Quentin's Monograph"
(by Ed Greenwood)
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Jeremy Grenemyer
Great Reader

USA
2717 Posts

Posted - 20 Jun 2013 :  12:35:05  Show Profile Send Jeremy Grenemyer a Private Message
Hello THO and Ed,

Ed, where I live in California we have Beer Walks, where people buy tickets at a local bar that allow them to sample a wide variety of craft beers and local brews that are served at booths situated in front of or just inside nearby stores and shops. Participants follow a preset route from the bar and end up back at the bar when the route is complete.

Are there such things as Beer Walks in the Realms?

Do guilds (such as in Waterdeep) or vendors ever team up to produce crossover events like this?

Was it ever fashionable in Suzail or Waterdeep to do the equivalent of a Bar Crawl (I guess you'd call it a Tavern Crawl or Tavern Hopping)?

With all the wines, beers and spirits produced by humans and other races, with enough coin I bet you could have one hell of a time.

Thank you very much.

Look for me and my content at EN World (user name: sanishiver).
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lordsknight185
Learned Scribe

USA
91 Posts

Posted - 20 Jun 2013 :  13:07:11  Show Profile Send lordsknight185 a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

regarding your recent query about the order of succession in Cormyr, Ed thinks you might want to make sure you read all of the Realms novels penned by Erin Evans, both those out now and those coming out in the future.


Dear THO, I made not a query but a general statement because I have read both Brimstone angels and Lesser Evils.

If Ed's statement is meant to mean something will soon happen to change the current line of succession then that makes me both disappointed, as I consider that a vague spoiler-like statement, and worried for the fate of two of my favorite characters...The Adversary does not come out for another five months. That is a long time to have to wait and be worried.
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 20 Jun 2013 :  16:41:19  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Heh. I sent Ed your post, lordsknight185, and he responded:

"Change the order of succession"? I don't recall any mentioning any changes. It's a "vague spoiler-like" suggestion, not a statement. Commonly known in the trade as a teaser.
Yet if it's caused consternation, I'll add this: I don't think you need be worried.

So there you have it. Worry not.
Ed wanted me to add that he and Erin have spent much enjoyable time going back-and-forth over tiny lore details, as Erin gets everything exactly right. He's looking forward to The Adversary (and, he wants to add, ALL of the Sundering books he's read drafts of, thus far, which is most of them).
love,
THO
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Blueblade
Senior Scribe

USA
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Posted - 20 Jun 2013 :  19:13:10  Show Profile  Visit Blueblade's Homepage Send Blueblade a Private Message
Just a public service announcement:
Ed's Golarion novel, THE WIZARD'S MASK, is out!
And Paizo has put up not just a typically fun author interview with Ed, but a three-part short story (free-to-read; I had trouble getting Chapter 2 to display until I clicked on the artist's name, last name is Gomez, on the links at the bottom of Chapter 2) starring one of the protagonists, the halfling Tantaerra.
The short story takes place years before the novel, so isn't spoiler-ish.
I am loving the story. A FUN read. Good old swords and sorcery.
More from Ed, the friendly guy-next-door genius.
All good!
BB

Edited by - Blueblade on 20 Jun 2013 21:46:44
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

5043 Posts

Posted - 20 Jun 2013 :  21:52:54  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Out at last, eh? Good. Ed said he had a blast writing it. And loved working with James Sutter.
I'll be picking it up, of course.

And to Barastir: I think your Moondark queries are about to hit an NDA. But not for all that long.

love to all,
THO
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Eilserus
Master of Realmslore

USA
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Posted - 21 Jun 2013 :  06:37:29  Show Profile Send Eilserus a Private Message
Hi Ed and THO,

Have the Knights ever had encounters with Galeb Duhr? I get the impression these folk are kind of like a dwarven version of treants? As far as I know there isn't much lore on them. Is there anything you could share regarding these creatures? Do they get along with dwarves?

Thank you both. :)

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Barastir
Master of Realmslore

Brazil
1412 Posts

Posted - 21 Jun 2013 :  11:54:30  Show Profile  Click to see Barastir's MSN Messenger address Send Barastir a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One
And to Barastir: I think your Moondark queries are about to hit an NDA. But not for all that long.

Wow, my own first NDA!!! Thank you very much, dear Lady!

"Goodness is not a natural state, but must be
fought for to be attained and maintained.
Lead by example.
Let your deeds speak your intentions.
Goodness radiated from the heart."

The Paladin's Virtues, excerpt from the "Quentin's Monograph"
(by Ed Greenwood)
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lordsknight185
Learned Scribe

USA
91 Posts

Posted - 21 Jun 2013 :  13:43:08  Show Profile Send lordsknight185 a Private Message
Dear THO, Ed's response actually made me smile. I am sorry if I was rude, I have just found myself highly attached to Erin's characters as of late and I am glad to hear she and Ed discussed the lore so thoroughly.
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

5043 Posts

Posted - 21 Jun 2013 :  22:31:14  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all.
lordsknight185, nothing to apologize for.
As Ed told me once: "We want fans to care deeply about our characters. I never want to upset anyone, but if they're angry or frightened or sad or delighted or rolling around on the floor hooting with laughter - - great. That's why I do all of this."
Ed and I both LOVE Erin's characters.
In fact, for some months now I've been teasing Ed with: "What would Farideh do, if--?" questions. ;} I won't tell you his replies, because that would be TELLING. And because that should be Erin's fun, not mine.
I believe (choosing my words carefully here) that Ed was hinting more that the Dragon Throne would stand close to the concerns of some characters, in Erin's books to come.
love,
THO
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lordsknight185
Learned Scribe

USA
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Posted - 22 Jun 2013 :  02:23:58  Show Profile Send lordsknight185 a Private Message
Dear THO, That's why I love coming here because everyone is so understanding. Havilar and Brin are adorable together, and individually their characters really speak to me. I am not worried at all anymore, but I am super excited for events to come, and The Adversary is still five months away! But atleast august will be jam full of things to occupy my mind (The Companions, which is pre-ordered and waiting for me...as well as Gen Con, which I have never been able to afford to attend but I am hoping for some amazing wotc videos like we had last year! I watched the two-hour-long sundering panel like three times last year >.>; )

I am sorry I get rambly, but I do not know how to thank you enough for being the much busy Ed's Herald, and delivering questions and comforting responses so quickly. The Realms has been a living place in my mind ever since I was introduced to it so many years ago, but it is thanks to Candlekeep, and Ed's and your high activity here, that truly makes the realms feel ALIVE.
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Razz
Senior Scribe

USA
712 Posts

Posted - 22 Jun 2013 :  07:24:52  Show Profile  Visit Razz's Homepage  Send Razz an AOL message Send Razz a Private Message
Dear Ed,

I must ask because it's been bugging me for awhile. This is in no way meant to be snarky at all, it really did have me thinking when I would reminisce how often important questions suffer from NDA.

But my question is considering the vastness of scope the Realms is, exactly how do you keep track of all that is NDA? Are you given a massive word file, or several dozen binders, or other such documentation that is filled with what is NDA in the Realms and must scour to make sure you don't make a mistake? Or do you have to consult a specific WotC employee each time a question is asked to legitimize and answer or not?

Or is that kind of info well...also NDA?
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

5043 Posts

Posted - 22 Jun 2013 :  15:40:27  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all.
Razz, here's Ed's pronto reply:

The actual NDAs are simple legal forms we sign and return; I've honestly lost track of hos many I've signed over the years, for many companies (in the case of the Realms, for both TSR, Inc. and Wizards of the Coast).
What it really comes down to is: I know what I'm working on, for future publication. I know something of what others are working on. I have a good idea of projects and directions and licenses the company is working on, or can guess (as a non-employee, there are many things I can't or shouldn't be told, but as someone in the industry for a long time, I can put two and two together quite often).
So I avoid saying things that will ruin, reveal, or just limit and hamper something forthcoming. Sometimes I can do this by very carefully wording my replies, sometimes I steer discussion by giving lots about X and just never really touching on Y, and sometimes there's no alternative but to say bluntly: can't talk about that. Which I do by flatly invoking NDA so we never get into the "can't talk BECAUSE" swamp.
But when it comes to the Realms, the "keeping track of it all" is all in my head. Various staffers do give me the obligatory "don't talk about this, please," because they have to, but I usually already know. When I don't, I do indeed check with whomever I think is the "right" staff member to check with (if I pick the wrong one, they will tell me who the right one is).
The LAST thing I ever want to do is to ruin anyone's enjoyment of the Realms by ruining a surprise.
We all want to know every last detail - - or we don't, and want the fun of the shock or unravelling the mystery ourselves. So it's always a case of carefully picking a path for what my fingers will type and my tongue will wag.
And if you're thinking I must be crazy from doing all this in my head, you're quite right. :}

So saith Ed. Telling truth in his own amiable way.
love,
THO
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xaeyruudh
Master of Realmslore

USA
1809 Posts

Posted - 22 Jun 2013 :  16:54:33  Show Profile  Visit xaeyruudh's Homepage Send xaeyruudh a Private Message
Thank you for the insight, Ed, and for the question Razz.

I guess I'm a mutant in that spoilers rarely if ever ruin anything for me. Not that I've foreseen the ending or details, but the destination and the journey are not entwined for me... I can read the last page or chapter of a book first, and still enjoy the story just as much. In fact sometimes (Harry Potter book 7) that's the only way for me to enjoy the story. If I were Preston, or whatever his name was, 'porting around the Realms with Elminster, I would be 2 parts "so what we going to do today, Brain?", 2 parts enjoying the scenery, 2 parts "hokay... so like... dubya tee eff mate?" and 37 parts "when can we see Storm again?" For me, "don't spoil the surprise" never comes into play.

Anyway, I'm not trying to clutter up the thread with a tangent, and not really complaining (my complaints are only about WotC's sense of direction, and that's preaching to the choir here). Just observing that we're not all the same, and it's apparently my fate to be bizarro.

Also, Ed's and THO's amiability are legendary and should be both knighted and sainted.
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Kajehase
Great Reader

Sweden
2104 Posts

Posted - 22 Jun 2013 :  19:26:02  Show Profile Send Kajehase a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Blueblade

Just a public service announcement:
Ed's Golarion novel, THE WIZARD'S MASK, is out!
And Paizo has put up not just a typically fun author interview with Ed, but a three-part short story (free-to-read; I had trouble getting Chapter 2 to display until I clicked on the artist's name, last name is Gomez, on the links at the bottom of Chapter 2) starring one of the protagonists, the halfling Tantaerra.
The short story takes place years before the novel, so isn't spoiler-ish.
I am loving the story. A FUN read. Good old swords and sorcery.
More from Ed, the friendly guy-next-door genius.
All good!
BB



Link to Ed's serial.

And for good measure, individual links to each chapter, as well:
Chapter One
Chapter Two
Chapter Three

There is a rumour going around that I have found god. I think is unlikely because I have enough difficulty finding my keys, and there is empirical evidence that they exist.
Terry Pratchett
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xaeyruudh
Master of Realmslore

USA
1809 Posts

Posted - 22 Jun 2013 :  21:13:22  Show Profile  Visit xaeyruudh's Homepage Send xaeyruudh a Private Message
That's some mighty fine writin.

I very much like the idea of prequels (or parts that got cut and would otherwise be unpublished) instead of excerpts from novels. Good stuff!
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

5043 Posts

Posted - 23 Jun 2013 :  04:12:51  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all.
In Ed's case, I believe he was asked to write a three-part short story to "set up" THE WIZARD'S MASK by featuring one of the main characters in the novel, so he went back into Tantaerra's past so as to betray nothing of what we'd see in the book, but to introduce us to her feisty self. According to Ed, this short story takes place in Canorate (in the land of Molthune, in Golarion) when the short-even-for-a-halfling Tantaerra is a slave to a shopkeeper whom she likes, and who likes her.
By the time of the novel, she's elsewhere, under different circumstances (i.e. plunged into a desperate adventure).
So the web tale isn't an outtake, but an "extra" (and, yes, a prequel) designed to introduce one of the novel's protagonists.
Something Ed has done a time or two for the Realms as well (some of them have appeared on the Wizards website, and some have not; I haven't the faintest why).
love,
THO
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xaeyruudh
Master of Realmslore

USA
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Posted - 23 Jun 2013 :  04:44:28  Show Profile  Visit xaeyruudh's Homepage Send xaeyruudh a Private Message
Between all the "foundation stones" (I think that was the term he used) he adds into all his descriptions, unobtrusive bits of lore that link back to books published years ago (hidden in plain sight secrets), and prequel stories scattered around, I'm coming to the conclusion that Ed is the Easter Bunny.
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sleyvas
Great Reader

USA
6192 Posts

Posted - 23 Jun 2013 :  05:10:32  Show Profile Send sleyvas a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by xaeyruudh

Between all the "foundation stones" (I think that was the term he used) he adds into all his descriptions, unobtrusive bits of lore that link back to books published years ago (hidden in plain sight secrets), and prequel stories scattered around, I'm coming to the conclusion that Ed is the Easter Bunny.



Tell him to quit doing that to those poor chickens, dammit!

Alavairthae, may your skill prevail

Phillip aka Sleyvas
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire

USA
14528 Posts

Posted - 23 Jun 2013 :  13:53:26  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message
Its called 'weaving a tapestry'. So few modern writers bother with it these days.

IMHO, that's the true difference between 'pulp' and 'epic' fantasy. What exists in Hyboria is everything within Conan's sight. There is nothing 'outside the door'... until he walks through it. And even then, we get very little descriptive text, beyond the feelings that new environment evokes in our hero. Not knockin' pulp at all - some of my favorite stories and authors 'do pulp' (and do it well).

But then you have the world-builders. Those stories (Game of Thrones, Jack Vance stuff, Majipoor, etc, etc). Its more about the world around the hero, then the hero himself. He is just a player on a very large stage. FR exists all the time beyond Elminster's sight. We know there are lots of things beyond the next door, whether the Old Mage walks through it or not. And weirdly, it all matters to us. Its a type of art-form.

Lots of people can 'write well', but can they transport you to a world that exists only within their mind? Can they make you feel like you are a part of it? Thats a special gift. What Ed (and many others) have done is pick-up those 'Red Slippers' others have dropped and ran with them. Thats what made FR great... thats what it lost along the way.

"No man is an island" - neither should be their stories, fictional or not.

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone

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Memmorath
Acolyte

Finland
3 Posts

Posted - 23 Jun 2013 :  23:35:42  Show Profile Send Memmorath a Private Message
Hello.

I remember reading some info about this sort of a question somewhere in candlekeep forums, but it wasn't as extensive as I would have liked (and slightly different year), so I finally decided to see if I could find some of the knowledge I seek from here. So, my questions for Ed are following:

Who where the zulkirs of the different schools of magic from 1329 DR to 1339 DR?

Also, quite a bit curious, how did the Red Wizards train new Red Wizards? Was there any schooling program (as in, an Academy), or did they just take apprentices for existing wizards and eventually these apprentices would become full fledged Red Wizards?.

Thanks!
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

5043 Posts

Posted - 24 Jun 2013 :  04:01:51  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hello again, all.
Memmorath, I can make a start on answering your last question. Although the process for attaining the training and experience necessary for being deemed a Red Wizard has varied from zulkir to zulkir over time, and from school to school of magic, in general it starts like this: existing Red Wizards take apprentices, and when either the apprentice or the "master" thinks the apprentice is ready, the apprentice takes service with ANOTHER Red Wizard of a different background and outlook. When that tutor (NOT the apprentice) thinks the apprentice is ready for 'advanced' training, they inform a higher-ranking, veteran Red Wizard, who tests the apprentice - - and decides on what service (as in, mission out across Faerun) or further training the apprentice needs. After the mission or training has been accomplished, a different high-ranking, veteran Red Wizard tests the apprentice, and informs the zulkir if they believe the apprentice is ready to be admitted into the school as a Red Wizard (or, in the case of "troublesome" apprentices, given another mission, quietly eliminated, or sent to another school of magic/zulkirate as an apprentice (either highly placed, or put at the bottom with novices of the new school).
At least, this is how Ed once explained it to we Knights, speaking in character as several NPCs, back in the days when the Realms hadn't yet been published as a setting (i.e. long before the original boxed set or FR6 Dreams of the Red Wizards had ever been written).
I hope this is of help.
love,
THO
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ddporter
Seeker

26 Posts

Posted - 24 Jun 2013 :  13:39:29  Show Profile Send ddporter a Private Message
My apologies if this has been answered before, but my Question for Ed(TM) is, "Who are your favorite world-builders? Any genre or medium."
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xaeyruudh
Master of Realmslore

USA
1809 Posts

Posted - 24 Jun 2013 :  20:38:32  Show Profile  Visit xaeyruudh's Homepage Send xaeyruudh a Private Message
Another thread is (re)visiting the question of which Volo's Guide we'd all like to see next, but from Ed's past words on the subject I get the impression that pursuing this line is not high on WotC's priority list.

I've never seen a fan express a negative opinion about the Volo's Guides. We keep citing them as sources for various info, and asking why there aren't more of them, where the next one will go, and whether one has ever covered X, Y, or Z. It should suggest that we will appreciate new installments. So it seems like WotC must be prioritizing other things, rather than deliberately shutting the line down.

Maybe this angle has already been covered, but is it only an issue of Ed's plate being too full with other projects deemed more important, or is there really a lack of interest in Volo's Guides at WotC? Have other authors/designers voiced a desire to continue the line, either using Volo (if Ed is amiable to that) or making up their own narrators?

Edited by - xaeyruudh on 24 Jun 2013 20:41:39
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Caladan Brood
Senior Scribe

Norway
410 Posts

Posted - 26 Jun 2013 :  18:42:12  Show Profile  Visit Caladan Brood's Homepage Send Caladan Brood a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Caladan Brood

quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Caladan Brood, I haven't shared all that many memories of our games publicly, but the best place is here in this thread. Particularly early in 2004 (the first year of the thread). I've tried to avoid falling into the "well, in MY campaign..." pit, but I can occasionally be persuaded to tell old war stories...

love,
THO



Thanks, I will find my shovel and dig through it :) I love hearing war stories, it's a small fix for my roleplaying abstinence.



*Much later*

So, I'm on the last page of the 2004-thread. I have to say that I am (even more) astounded and impressed by Ed's seemingly endless output of realmslore, I enjoyed the regaling of tales told by you, Lady Hooded One from your adventures at Ed's gaming table (? Or do you dispense with tables altogether..) and I was amused by the constant innuendo flowing through the many back-and-forths.

Why, oh, why haven't I discovered this veritable treasure before? How come it took me so many years to finally catch the realmslore fever? So many winters ago - say, sixteen, seventeen or thereabouts, since I ran AD&D games for friends using my then-shiny-new Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting box, and then this great leap of years in which I played other RPGs, and then wham! I'm back and enjoying the Realms more than I ever did; for some reason, I never realized just how complex this world has become, and how VIVID it really can be. So now I'm frantically using eBay and out-of-print online stores to gather - nay, hoard - everything AD&D with the Realms logo slapped on it. A new haul came in today, in fact - the "Tantras" and "Waterdeep" modules, the "Player's Guide to the Forgotten Realms", "Empires of the Sands", "The Jungles of Chult", and "Drizzt Do'Urden's Guide to the Underdark".

I'm so glad I rediscovered Candlekeep and realized I'm not the only one prone to obsess over imaginary worlds. For all the work you've done for Realms enthusiasts not only in the 2004 thread but the 2005-2013 threads (getting ready to dive into 2005 tonight, but first I need to take some notes from the '04 thread, so much lore..) and for keeping this so very fan-friendly - I thank you sincerely (and by you I mean everyone responsible for keeping this going, I suppose - but especially Ed and THO, of course). Respect, peace out.


Edited by - Caladan Brood on 26 Jun 2013 18:44:10
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