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Markustay
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Posted - 23 Feb 2013 :  17:32:12  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message
Thanks for the responses, yet again. I would imagine they get quite a bit of info from the Harpers in that regard (since Harpers travel EVERYWHERE), which explains their past connections. Is Candlekeep in any way affiliated with them as well? I am thinking that all 'centers of Knowledge & Learning' (groups that keep large libraries and excellent records) would have some sort of understanding with each other, or is it more of a competitive thing?

@THO - {In best Beavis & Butthead voice} heh heh... heh heh...

She said 'humming' and ask for punishment in the same sentence.

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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 23 Feb 2013 :  18:30:35  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
I did, didn't I?
How . . . unaccidental.
(And yes, the Harpers have always been a source of information for the High Heralds, and continue to be, though for the last century-and-a-bit it's been "unofficial" rather than formal, as it once was.)
love,
THO
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The Masked Mage
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Posted - 23 Feb 2013 :  19:58:17  Show Profile  Send The Masked Mage an AOL message  Click to see The Masked Mage's MSN Messenger address Send The Masked Mage a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hi again, all.
Sorry, sfdragon, but the Tyr lore is indeed NDA (as is just about anything specific about how things will be in the "New Realms"). Ed can tell you this much: that what you ask has been decided.
Similarly, Ed conveys his regrets to The Masked Mage: The Sword Heralds are NDA for a different reason. Hopefully to be swept away one day, when many secrets are dramatically revealed.
love to all,
THO



OH NO - the dreaded NDA stamp of doom!
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crazedventurers
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Posted - 23 Feb 2013 :  21:08:46  Show Profile  Visit crazedventurers's Homepage Send crazedventurers a Private Message
Hello Ed and Tho (and SES if he is reading this)

There is a lot of Manshoon discussion at the mo going on in other threads and I have just one question please.

On the cover of Cloak and Dagger we see what looks like three of the Manshoon clones being viewed in crystal balls with an older looking wizard scrying them.

Is the older wizard the real Manshoon in his extra-dimensional hidey-hole watching the unfurling chaos of the clone wars?

Thanks

Damian

So saith Ed. I've never said he was sane, have I?
Gods, all this writing and he's running a constant fantasy version of Coronation Street in his head, too. .
shudder,
love to all,
THO
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Edited by - crazedventurers on 24 Feb 2013 00:02:41
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xaeyruudh
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Posted - 23 Feb 2013 :  22:18:54  Show Profile  Visit xaeyruudh's Homepage Send xaeyruudh a Private Message
Once again, apologies if this has been answered before, but a quick search yields no results having these two words in the same post.

Is it a coincidence that Uloushinn and Ulutiun are so close in likely pronunciation... and the cultures they apply to seem to have absolutely no links to one another?

What am I missing? Is there a backstage explanation?
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Markustay
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Posted - 24 Feb 2013 :  00:30:52  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message
QUESTION: I just noticed that on the original 1e/OGB maps the Greypeaks are called the Nether Mountains. Was this an error, your original naming conventions, or something else entirely?

quote:
Originally posted by The Masked Mage

OH NO - the dreaded NDA stamp of doom!
I believe the N'Da are a hitherto unclassified form of fiend, related to such emotion-draining creatures as fear lords (amongst others).

Once you encounter one of these, you are filled with a pervasive sense of dread, as if you forgot something and you can't quite seem to recall what it was you forgot. Continued exposure to a N'Da will eventually result in insanity, as the "thing that slipped your mind" causes severe paranoia and depression, and eventually death.

It is widely believed that the N'da were first summoned to the Prime Material by the Wizards that dwell upon the Coast (a fearsome bunch indeed), but records from much earlier civilization - like the Tszars of Deandy - indicate that these creatures predate the Prime Material Plane itself, and have been plaguing mortals since the signing of the first infernal contract.

Occasionally they can be found in the company of lesser fiends known as 'Gag Auders' (a demon capable of making a person literally vomit information from their minds). Those beings create the exact environment - a state of perpetual forgetfulness - that the N'Da thrive in.

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone


Edited by - Markustay on 24 Feb 2013 22:07:43
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George Krashos
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Posted - 24 Feb 2013 :  22:59:54  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by crazedventurers

Hello Ed and Tho (and SES if he is reading this)

Is the older wizard the real Manshoon in his extra-dimensional hidey-hole watching the unfurling chaos of the clone wars?




I am neither of the worthies you asked for help on this one, but I can tell you that the "older wizard" is Khelben "Blackstaff" Arunsun.

The original cover mock-up, which I link to below, makes that clearer:

http://book-covers.lucywho.com/forgotten-realms-nobles-book-covers-t2578487.html

-- George Krashos

"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus
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crazedventurers
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Posted - 25 Feb 2013 :  07:15:51  Show Profile  Visit crazedventurers's Homepage Send crazedventurers a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos
I am neither of the worthies you asked for help on this one, but I can tell you that the "older wizard" is Khelben "Blackstaff" Arunsun.


Thanks George for the update and the other cover, something I have never seen before

Cheers

Damian

So saith Ed. I've never said he was sane, have I?
Gods, all this writing and he's running a constant fantasy version of Coronation Street in his head, too. .
shudder,
love to all,
THO
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Jeremy Grenemyer
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Posted - 25 Feb 2013 :  07:33:43  Show Profile Send Jeremy Grenemyer a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

If a king hates a particular noble, that noble can be exiled and stripped of their lands and titles in a kingdom, but in exile can still style themselves as noble and use their blazons (in fact, should they invade the kingdom and try to overthrow the king, the heralds would expect them to openly use their rightful blazons, not try trickery such as using the blazons of others).
So if I’m reading this right, should the Bleths and Merendils formerly of Cormyr ever get around to raising an army and sailing out of parts south on the Dragonmere to lay siege to Suzail, the Heralds would expect to see the arms of those two houses prominently displayed and at the fore, as opposed to members of these families hiding behind the logos or arms or whatever of all the mercenary companies employed in the siege?

And should an individual who has proven to the Heralds satisfaction that they’re of the (extinct, if I recall correctly) Sarlival noble family, he or she could join in this invasion with the Sarlival arms showing?

Ha! All this Herald stuff has become interesting to me, now that I can see the potential for stylish mayhem and vengeance.

Look for me and my content at EN World (user name: sanishiver).
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The Masked Mage
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Posted - 25 Feb 2013 :  08:10:38  Show Profile  Send The Masked Mage an AOL message  Click to see The Masked Mage's MSN Messenger address Send The Masked Mage a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Jeremy Grenemyer

quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

If a king hates a particular noble, that noble can be exiled and stripped of their lands and titles in a kingdom, but in exile can still style themselves as noble and use their blazons (in fact, should they invade the kingdom and try to overthrow the king, the heralds would expect them to openly use their rightful blazons, not try trickery such as using the blazons of others).
So if I’m reading this right, should the Bleths and Merendils formerly of Cormyr ever get around to raising an army and sailing out of parts south on the Dragonmere to lay siege to Suzail, the Heralds would expect to see the arms of those two houses prominently displayed and at the fore, as opposed to members of these families hiding behind the logos or arms or whatever of all the mercenary companies employed in the siege?

And should an individual who has proven to the Heralds satisfaction that they’re of the (extinct, if I recall correctly) Sarlival noble family, he or she could join in this invasion with the Sarlival arms showing?

Ha! All this Herald stuff has become interesting to me, now that I can see the potential for stylish mayhem and vengeance.



It might be me, but I'd think once they get to the point of invading a kingdom to take over, the authority of the Heralds would be of little concern.
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Markustay
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Posted - 25 Feb 2013 :  14:04:17  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message
"I'm sorry Szass Tam, but that Hobgoblin legion is wearing slightly incorrect unit patches - the Griffon is clearly Rampant, when its attitude should be Rampant Guardant. Please go back and make all the proper corrections to the insignia".

"Darn it... and I so wanted to be sipping tea out of the Simbul's skull by nightfall. Bummer."




Question: Another thread inspired me to think about Mythals - were there any Spellfire users involved in raising Myth Drannor's Mythal? How about other Mythals?

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Darian
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Posted - 25 Feb 2013 :  19:36:46  Show Profile  Visit Darian's Homepage Send Darian a Private Message
This is my first post and my first question for Ed. I hope the question was not already asked :)
It's about paladins, my favourite class.

Question: Are there any special rituals after the novice has been accepted? Maybe something like a knighting ceremony. And what are - for example - the differences between a Torm ceremony and a Helm ceremony.

And please: We need more "Ed Greenwood Presents Elminster's Forgotten Realms" - Books ;-)

Edited by - Darian on 25 Feb 2013 19:37:51
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 25 Feb 2013 :  21:26:43  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message
Not sure if I've asked this one, or not... And this is one I'm thinking our lovely Lady Hooded One would be able to answer:

What is five o'clock shadow called, in the Realms?

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HunterOfStorms
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Posted - 26 Feb 2013 :  01:19:20  Show Profile  Visit HunterOfStorms's Homepage Send HunterOfStorms a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hi again, all. Herewith, Ed responds to HunterOfStorms:

... snipped for space ...

So saith Ed, who loves heraldry (the heraldry of the Realms by and large follows the practices of real-world British heraldry, though some regions in the Realms allow “metals on metals” and “colors on colors” and non-gender-specific shields (rather than lozenges) that the real-life College of Arms would deny.
love,
THO




Thanks THO and Ed for such a swift reply. These details clarify things nicely and mesh well with how we've generally been dealing with personal and official arms/badges/banners and what have you. I find I'm rather rusty on my limited knowledge of heraldry.

Although I do now have to wonder how much trouble I can rustle up for interplanar/alternate reality travelling characters <heh heh> who may unwittingly bear duplicate blazons.

Hunter
... off to scribble more notes
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The Sage
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Posted - 26 Feb 2013 :  02:18:03  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

Question: Another thread inspired me to think about Mythals - were there any Spellfire users involved in raising Myth Drannor's Mythal? How about other Mythals?

Not surprisingly, a query from Markus has raised one of my own:-

Thusly, Ed, have there been any documented accounts of what interactive effect spellfire may have had with a mythal?

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Xar Zarath
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Posted - 26 Feb 2013 :  04:22:13  Show Profile Send Xar Zarath a Private Message
Dear Ed and THO, I earlier read a scroll on the Nether Scrolls.
1. Can the Scrolls be read in such a way that they would not cause the mage to "overload" and go bonkers without any divine aid?
2. Can there be a third set made out of copper and hidden somewhere across the planes or possibly on Toril?
3. If one set(50 scrolls) made out of gold the other half platinum, are both sets the same, with the only difference is the metal? Are both needed or one set can suffice?

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The Masked Mage
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Posted - 26 Feb 2013 :  08:05:13  Show Profile  Send The Masked Mage an AOL message  Click to see The Masked Mage's MSN Messenger address Send The Masked Mage a Private Message
I've come up with another question for you, this one is in regard to elven mantle stones, or "thaelkiira" as they were named by George Krashos. This is the thread I've got going on the topic:

http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=17590

In your article 'The Magic Of Myth Drannor' you state: "many mantles could call on the powers of magical items borne by their wearer, or spells memorized by them. The Coronal's mantle could even tap into the power of his thrones (the Living Seat on the Isle of Estel and the Throne of the Coronal in the Chamber of the Court) and certain other sources of ancient power in the realm, such as the Vault of Ages, if these were nearby."

Here is my question on this topic for you: How does this work? Could you go into further details about this process?
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Razz
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This is a question I know has been asked somewhere, but I will ask it again considering the major changes coming to the Realms and the news that Ed Greenwood has a lot more say in what goes on with the Realms for now.

Will we ever learn of the lands beyond Faerun? Other than the rather extremely outdated 2nd Edition material on those places. My years are not getting any younger and I feel as if the day will never come when we would finally begin receiving an occasional streaming of happenings, places, people, creatures, sites and other things in realms such as Kara-Tur, Zhakara, etc.

If these are areas never to be discussed other than in passings, why should they even continue to exist? If these are places that have no real influence in Faerun, as is seemingly the case (excluding the somewhat let's-humor-the-fans passings of Kara-Tur's influence on the Unapproachable East, particularly Thesk) then why bother keeping them in the world of Toril? In other words, I feel as if the "world" of Toril is really just the "World of Faerun" at this point. If the Sundering were to rid us of these places and just leave Faerun as the be-all of Toril, I say all the better. Terrible to lose fantasy settings like the Orient, Arabian/Persian, and Aztec/Mayan/Native American cultures but better than the nigh-complete neglect it has been receiving. Otherwise, what is truly preventing more lore from these places? Is there NDA concerning these areas?

In the real world, events, people, politics, etc. have been affected not just domestically but internationally. Even in much older times and eras before our modern-day era. I don't get the same feeling at all when it comes to Faerun and the other continents, save for a tiny bit concerning Kara-Tur.

A suggestion would be to have a somewhat separate accounting of the lands beyond every now and then, pooled together in, say, a Dragon article or maybe even its own book at some point. Novels set in those areas would also be a huge benefit.

I am aware that there is still almost infinitely much more to learn and discover in Faerun, but I do not believe it should come at the entire expense of the rest of the world of Toril.

Is there any hope of receiving more attention to these other lands sometime in the near future? (a lot of questions in one message, I do apologize, it just happened one question had led to another follow-up as I was typing away).
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The Hooded One
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Posted - 26 Feb 2013 :  18:33:37  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all.
Wooly, five o'clock shadow is known by several words and terms around the Realms, but in the Heartlands, "bluechin" is the most popular one. "Sarth" (which actually means "stubble," and also applies to fields of crops in a post-harvest but pre-ploughed condition) is the most common older and politer term.
(This comes straight from notes I made from play with Ed.)
love,
THO
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The Hooded One
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Razz, you make very good points, but it would be wrong to assume Ed has any great say in what areas get covered in forthcoming Realms products. Ed has wanted to cover more of the geogrpahy of the Realms in detailed sourcebooks for DECADES (and still does).

Darian, there are indeed special "anointing" ceremonies, which Ed will say more about when he can.
He has asked for the opportunity to write more sourcebooks like "Ed Greenwood Presents Elminster's Guide To The Realms," but nothing has been planned thus far, so far as I know. (As you might guess, Ed could easily fill dozens of books that size with play-useful lore.)

love to all,
THO
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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hi again, all.
Wooly, five o'clock shadow is known by several words and terms around the Realms, but in the Heartlands, "bluechin" is the most popular one. "Sarth" (which actually means "stubble," and also applies to fields of crops in a post-harvest but pre-ploughed condition) is the most common older and politer term.
(This comes straight from notes I made from play with Ed.)
love,
THO



Thank you for the quick response, my Lady.

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Foxhelm
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Has anyone used magic to make a dimensionally transcendent/Bigger on the Inside/Smaller on the Outside moving vehicle (ie. A cart, a ship, a skyship), like the TARDIS from Doctor Who, in the realms?

If so, how common would the practice/idea be in the realms or certain areas of the realms?

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Tyrant
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Foxhelm, I thought I had read about something or the other related to the Imaskari that is like what you are looking for but I can't recall exactly what it was or where I came across it. I could be mistaken though.

Sidetracking aside, I do have a question for Ed and/or THO. A while ago I played the third expansion for Neverwinter Nights 2. It involved Zehir arising as a god for the Yuan Ti and in the final conflict your character has to fight a Yuan Ti that has been crossbred with a Marilith (giving it extra arms). It's been a while but I got the impression that this thing was bred as some type of enforcer/zealot for Zehir.

So my questions are this, is this a unique or near unique situation among the gods? Or have other gods done something like this in the past (or still do it)? If others have done something like this, can you tell us anything about it?

I mainly read the novels and haven't seen anything to indicate this is the case and this creature didn't come across as some type of chosen. This is a "helping better understand the Realms question" and not so much an RPG question.

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Xar Zarath
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IIRC, that creature in the final boss battle was a sort of avatar of Zehir.

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Tyrant
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quote:
Originally posted by Xar Zarath

IIRC, that creature in the final boss battle was a sort of avatar of Zehir.


That could be but I didn't get that impression. Right after you defeat it you talk to Zehir. And if it was, then I have another question. Do the gods breed potential avatars?

Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me.
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