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Jakuta Khan
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 Posted - 26 Sep 2012 : 16:14:03
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As it is possible, even in canon material, to become a half-Dragon by some complicated alchemical / magic procedures, I'd like to know if this also would work for the Half-fiend template??
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EytanBernstein
Forgotten Realms Designer
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Posted - 26 Sep 2012 : 17:04:39
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I'm not sure that would be in the purview of alchemy. I would think it would be more likely a magical transformation via a powerful ritual. You would probably need to call upon a powerful archfiend and give him/her a valuable bribe. Even then, you'd have to hope for the fiend's favor.
Alternatively, it could be granted as a "gift" by a powerful fiend.
Like with anything, it is up to the DM (and the PC) if they want to use this kind of thing in their games. It could be achieved through a prestige class/paragon path. There may even be one that does this that I'm forgetting. There certainly were advanced classes allowing people to slowly transform into half-dragons or into undead. |
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Captain Grafalcon
Learned Scribe
Brazil
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Posted - 26 Sep 2012 : 18:23:04
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| In the War of the Spider Queen saga, Triel Baenre,a Matron Mother, mates with the demon Belshazu, and give birth to a draegloth (drow/demon). |
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Jakuta Khan
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Posted - 26 Sep 2012 : 18:41:58
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@Eytan, this is how I see it also, but on the Half-Dragon template, it is stated that it canbe achieved via alchemical procedures, prolly also boosted by magic, but that is what made me curious.
For example, the fiend which the gnolls obey, could grant agift like this to a formidable gnoll chieftain or something...
@gavinho
thanks for this, if you plan to have a half-fiend from beginning, this is fairly easy, u just add the template at char-generation.
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Marc
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Posted - 26 Sep 2012 : 18:49:39
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Nar fiendbond spell from Lost Empires of Faerun
using PF Alchemist I don't think so, it would be easier to use a synthesist summoner |
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EytanBernstein
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
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Posted - 27 Sep 2012 : 21:03:37
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quote:
Originally posted by Jakuta Khan
@Eytan, this is how I see it also, but on the Half-Dragon template, it is stated that it canbe achieved via alchemical procedures, prolly also boosted by magic, but that is what made me curious.
For example, the fiend which the gnolls obey, could grant agift like this to a formidable gnoll chieftain or something...
@gavinho
thanks for this, if you plan to have a half-fiend from beginning, this is fairly easy, u just add the template at char-generation.
I think the issue likes in the fact that the term alchemy is being used differently in the lore than it is in the game mechanics. Alchemy often just means the art (or science) of turning one thing into another. In a lot of fantasy, you can achieve just about anything with it. But in D&D 3e and 4e, it is generally limited to creating substances that have unusual, but not necessarily magical effects. It doesn't generally extend to the transformation of living beings into other types of living beings - though alchemy could certainly be used to cause other kinds of mutations. |
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TBeholder
Great Reader
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Posted - 28 Sep 2012 : 19:12:54
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MrHedgehog
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Posted - 01 Oct 2012 : 02:17:33
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If you say it can be done, it can be done. If you can become half-dragon I don't see why you can't magically become part demonic. The limits of transmutation are only our imaginations.
In the Lady Penitent trilogy there is a character who grafts a demon onto himself. Over time and if he became more powerful why couldn't someone become a half-fiend? I believe this was based on Acolyte of the Skin from the sourcebook Complete Arcane. I can't remember exactly but I think they eventually become "Outsiders". Something like this could be adapted to become a half-fiend instead of merging with one. Remove parts of demons and graft them onto yourself? Slowly change your blood into demon's blood? Polymorph/shapechange yourself into demon/devil form so often you start to become more and more like one permanently? |
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Contagious Cure
Acolyte
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Posted - 06 Oct 2012 : 20:48:26
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| Haven't heard of it. Probably wouldn't be through alchemy though but a powerful ritual. Closest I can think of are the Yuan-Ti who at times perform rituals that can "elevate" a human to a pureblood, a pureblood to a half-breed and a half-breed to an abomination etc. |
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TBeholder
Great Reader
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Posted - 07 Oct 2012 : 00:45:59
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Originally posted by MrHedgehog
If you say it can be done, it can be done. If you can become half-dragon I don't see why you can't magically become part demonic.
Yep, and that's kind of cheesy...
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Originally posted by Contagious Cure
Haven't heard of it. Probably wouldn't be through alchemy though but a powerful ritual.
...on the other eyestalk, using bloodline mechanics to acquire traits similiar to a fiendish/elemental/fey/etc line (and not inheritable past "vague taint") via consecutive procedures would be fine, IMO.
Mechanically, it's not like taking a Wizard level, but since it doesn't count for multiclassing, while counts vs. "HD affected", maximum skill ranks, save DC and other benefits of all other classes at once, well, not bad either.
I'd rule it this way:
First, a check for alchemy to see whether the procedure and components are correctly designed; adjusted for prior performance, affinities, etc. Then another check for actual implementation.
Difficulty and component requirement would depend on the power of the process (replacing "bloodline strength" for HD rate requirement of hit dice).
E.g. an "Intermediate" augmentation is up to 1:2 with class levels and gives stuff between 1st and 2nd affinity bonuses, but it goes noticeably above sniffing pixie dust; "Major" can go up to 1:1, and is the only way to get stuff from the 2nd affinity bonus and up, but it requires substances like fresh blood/ichor/whatever of a full-blooded specimen of appropriate HD, or relevant even more exotic planar material, every time. Good luck with that.
Then the victim lab rat is given a drink/injection/immersion/all of the above and takes a Con check to see whether the body took it well; adjusted for the laborant's (2nd check's) result, number of already present augmentation levels of this type and difference between the subject's current HD and the one allowed to take the next augmentation level, and penalty from present non-restored drain by the same procedure.
Unless it's a too-powerful version used on a low-level character, failure should not be immediately lethal, but very debilitating for many days (depending on how badly it's failed), perhaps with ability drain of 1 / power grade or so (add a potion of restoration to the wasted expenses).
Of course, there's no good reason why all 3 checks should be made by the same character. So, choose your lab rat (or your mad doctor, respectively) wisely. 
If all 3 checks are passed well, the subject is eligible (for the present augmentation levels, current HD and procedure's power level), the next augmentation level is added, yay.
Existing levels of augmentation of another type or bloodline should be incompatible or at best badly compatible (giving -4/level to Con check or something, and/or must be taken into account by tweaking the procedure). |
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Razz
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 12 Oct 2012 : 01:59:28
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| I remember distinctly of a drug from 3rd Edition, I think from a Dungeon Magazine, that if you used it you became a half-fiend for a limited amount of time. If I find it I will post the source. |
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TBeholder
Great Reader
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Posted - 25 Oct 2012 : 21:03:28
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Technicaly, there's a spell Fiendform, so why not brew a potion that temporarily turns the imbiber into fiend almost completely.
But where's the fun in that? |
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Zireael
Master of Realmslore
Poland
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Posted - 26 Oct 2012 : 09:34:25
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| A high-level demonbinder would also be a good candidate for becoming a half-fiend... |
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