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Jelennet
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Posted - 08 Sep 2012 :  02:34:29  Show Profile Send Jelennet a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
Poll Question:
Elminster, Gandalf and Dumbledore have some noticable similarities. Who do you like more and why?

My vote goes for Gandalf. Funny one...
Dumbledore in some cases doesn't seem very bright.

Choices:

Elminster
Gandalf
Dumbledore

(Anonymous Vote)

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Posted - 08 Sep 2012 :  15:02:21  Show Profile  Visit GRYPHON's Homepage Send GRYPHON a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Gandalf...
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Aulduron
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Gandalf was my first wizard.

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Dumbledore was my first wizard; I loved him as a child and even moreso as an adult. He played the role of magnificent bastard quite nicely.

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I like Gandalf as a wizard because, while powerful, his magic is a subtle thing most of the time. Of course, of the three, he has never (as far as we know) ever been a mortal like the other two...so that could be cheating I guess.

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Delwa
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I chose Gandalf. He was my first wizard, like others have said. He also keeps his true power very hidden, very close to the vest, so determining his true capabilities is nigh impossible. He's stated as being powerful enough to wield the One Ring (even though it would corrupt him), yet in battle with a Ringwraith, a creature subservient to the Ring, he came to a draw.
Personality wise, he's also my favorite. He's friendly. He's the kind of guy you can just joke around and have a good time with, yet still have a deep discussion with and come away the wiser for it. He's there for people even when the chips are down, even if they do not realize it.
But he's also capable of making and admiting he can make mistakes. And that's an endearing quality to me for any mortal, no matter how long-lived they may be.

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Gandalf since only one can be chosen. I wouldn't even put Dumbledore on the same level.....the magic in his"universe" is so unimpressive in scope and power when compared to the other two. also He never hitched up his boots and did the dirty work like El and Gandalf did when given no choice. Can't remember I'm doing much that didn't benefit his,beliefs first. Harry and everyone else were tools who luckily cleaned up His mess after he had to let Snape off him.

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Elminster, if only because I can hear him in my head clearly (and he speaks with Ed's dulcet tones) and because he seems to like people of all stripes far more than either of the others.

Oh, and because he's as close as you'll let me vote for Khelben Arunsun.

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Dennis
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Pug/Milamber. He should be on that list.

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I'd have to say Elminster... if only because I've had the chance to grow with him as a character more so than Gandalf [and Khelben, for that matter {why isn't he on the list?}], who runs a very, very close second.

I like that I've been able to follow Elminster's growth as a character from his earliest appearances in DRAGON, to his exploits as a supporting character in Realms novels, to having full-on novels dedicated purely to the Sage of Shadowdale. So I feel closer to Elminster, as a character, than I do to Gandalf.

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Dennis
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I would have chosen Elminster. But I find him less human, and more 'divine.' A goddess's pawn is still a pawn. I like his background story, though. The Making of a Mage would probably remain as one of the best FR novels on my personal list. But his recent endeavors and transformations look like a rehash of the same old, getting-tiring ones.

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Agreed, but the pawn of higher forces argument applies to Gandalf as well. Rebirth to finish the unfinished task and having the authority given to him to break Saruman's staff, and all.
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Everyone's a pawn (or a puppet) of something, one way or another. But the Puppet Master usually hides in the background, and the Puppet is often not aware that he's being used as a puppet. It gives the illusion of freedom. In El's case, well...it's too blatant. Mystra this, Mystra that. Tiring and repetitive. That's why I suggest he pass the 'torch' to someone else, and die a happy, final death.

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Yoss
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I'd vote Khelben if he were an option. I'm not a huge fan of these three. I enjoy Ed's books far less than I probably should (I wouldn't say I dislike then since I keep reading them, clearly there's something I enjoy there), and downright can't stand Elminster a lot of the time outside of the Making of a Mage. And compared to Elminster and Gandalf, Dumbledore is a joke (pretty much for the reasons Red Walker mentioned). Gandalf...well...it's been a while since I've read or watched the movies, so he hasn't annoyed me as recently as Elminster. So I went with him, but that's because Khelben wasn't a choice. Khelben is probably the first big-deal super powerful wizard I've ever really liked.
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Thauranil
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Hmm I ll have to go with Gandalf myself. Dumbledore can be a bit slow at times and El can get a bit too naughty.
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White Wizards are cool *G*

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I was always partial to Allanon

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Sightless
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quote:
Originally posted by Dennis


Everyone's a pawn (or a puppet) of something, one way or another. But the Puppet Master usually hides in the background, and the Puppet is often not aware that he's being used as a puppet. It gives the illusion of freedom. In El's case, well...it's too blatant. Mystra this, Mystra that. Tiring and repetitive. That's why I suggest he pass the 'torch' to someone else, and die a happy, final death.



Ummm Gandalf knew exactly who was calling the shots in his case. He was forced to check in with the Boss in the two towers. That boss said, go back and deal with that Middle manager who isn't doing his job. I also kind of have an issue with this comparison Gandalf wasn't a mortal human being, and the magic systems are very, very different.

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Caolin
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Elminster. Surprisingly I never read LotR before I started reading DnD fiction. So I knew of Elminster before I knew of Gandalf so El has a special spot due to that.
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quote:
Originally posted by Entreri3478

I was always partial to Allanon



Allanon was my first intro to the Merlin-archetype. As I read stuff other than Brooks, though, my interest in him faded.

Of those listed, though, I'd have to go with Elminster. I like Gandalf, but I know so much more about Elminster. Dumbledore... I dunno. I like the Harry Potter books, and I'm in fact halfway thru re-reading book 7 right now. But Dumbledore never really did it for me. And the name bugs the crap out of me. So many of the names in the HP series are just flat out cringe-inducing.

Pug is pretty cool as a wizard, and I'd pick him in a heartbeat over any of the three choices we have.

In the Realms, though, Khelben is my fave male wizard.

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Dennis
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quote:
Originally posted by Sightless

quote:
Originally posted by Dennis


Everyone's a pawn (or a puppet) of something, one way or another. But the Puppet Master usually hides in the background, and the Puppet is often not aware that he's being used as a puppet. It gives the illusion of freedom. In El's case, well...it's too blatant. Mystra this, Mystra that. Tiring and repetitive. That's why I suggest he pass the 'torch' to someone else, and die a happy, final death.

Ummm Gandalf knew exactly who was calling the shots in his case. He was forced to check in with the Boss in the two towers. That boss said, go back and deal with that Middle manager who isn't doing his job. I also kind of have an issue with this comparison Gandalf wasn't a mortal human being, and the magic systems are very, very different.
I couldn't care less for Galdalf either. Didn't I say I didn't vote?! I would have, if Pug is on the list. He pretty much embodies everything I like about wizards.

In the Realms, I have too many favorites that to choose just one would be crazy.

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Edited by - Dennis on 10 Sep 2012 05:18:16
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Erik Scott de Bie
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Posted - 10 Sep 2012 :  05:16:55  Show Profile  Visit Erik Scott de Bie's Homepage  Send Erik Scott de Bie an AOL message Send Erik Scott de Bie a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I voted for Elminster.

I like Dumbledore. He's a good, complex character, and definitely one of the mightiest wizards in his universe with his magic system. But I don't think I know enough of his story to really *know* him the way I know Elminster.

I also like Gandalf, but again, he's not the focus of any of the stories about him, and he just isn't as familiar. Also, in my opinion, Gandalf has more in common with the druids of the mythology Tolkien was working with than what we think of as a wizard.

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People who dig wizards should also check out the Harry Dresden novels by Jim Butcher, the novel The Phoenix and the Mirror by Avram Davidson, and A Wizard of Earthsea and its sequels by Ursula K. LeGuin.
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Not sure this is a fair question, considering this site is devoted to the Realms, and thus Elminster, but I'd have to say Gandalf, though I like Dumbledore too. Oh, I know...Merlin!!!

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Aulduron
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I loved the Dresden Files TV show. I've been wanting to read it.

Staver Ironbrand would be a good choice.

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I liked Gandalf until the movies, actually Hobbit's Gandalf
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