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Razz
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 Posted - 04 Sep 2012 : 18:07:12
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Is there a region or people in the Realms that have a gypsy-like culture? Was it the Gurs? Much appreciated for any info!
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
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Posted - 04 Sep 2012 : 19:26:20
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The Rashemen send out their youth on a wanderlust type ordeal...
My idea for a "gypsy" type people in Faerun would that perhaps there isn't a culture that was misplaced and travels about similar to the gypsy-type.
I've used groups of elves for a similar situation though. |
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Icelander
Master of Realmslore
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Razz
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 04 Sep 2012 : 20:24:40
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Originally posted by Icelander
Officially, the Gurs, yes.
Said to be refugees from the Raumathar-Narfell war and probably related, linguistically if not otherwise, to the Taangan tribe of a similar name.
Cool, I had a feeling but wasn't sure. So little was written on them but from
what I learned, they have a culture similar to gypsies. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 05 Sep 2012 : 08:56:50
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I actual refer to the entire proto-culture as Raumvari, which was used in The Horde article that appeared toward the end of 3e in Dragon magazine. It works better, because 'Raumathari' was the old term, and it can get confused with the people of the nation of Raumathar.
Thus, Rashemi, Raumathari, Sossalites, Gur, and probably a couple more I forgot, are all sub-groups of the Raumvari people, who are reminiscent of the Earth Slavic peoples. A sizable portion of that cultural group are wagon-using 'nomads'. Considering the migratory behavior of the other groups in the Taan region, I would say many of them originate around the Lake of Mists area (but can be found most anywhere in the Realms)
In the novel Darkvision, Ususi was able to purchase a wagon that was described to be just like a gypsy wagon, which she was able to get in Rashemen (where such 'mobile home' type wagons are readily available).
I also just came across the word 'gypsy' in an FR novel this past week, but darned if I can remember where. I can't recall the context it was used in, but I'm thinking it was in either Crypt of the Shadowking or Elfsong. Even if the word was used as a description ("like a gypsy"), it was used in-setting, and therefor the concept itself must exist (and thus, we have gypsies... somewhere).
EDIT: IMG, I just port-in the Vistani from Ravenloft. The whole she-bang, made to order. Its the simplest solution. |
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Quale
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 05 Sep 2012 : 12:12:35
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Or the Varisians from Pathfinder
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Matt James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer
USA
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Posted - 05 Sep 2012 : 12:52:31
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| Vistani can travel to Realmspace from Ravenloft and have made an appearance. Kevrick, detailed somewhat in the Airspur article I wrote, was a wandering Vistani elder that now resides within the Realms. |
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Razz
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 05 Sep 2012 : 14:26:59
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| But there's no need since we have the Gurs, I prefer to use what is in the Realms first before porting. |
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TBeholder
Great Reader
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Posted - 05 Sep 2012 : 15:03:07
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 05 Sep 2012 : 16:39:26
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Originally posted by Matt James
Vistani can travel to Realmspace from Ravenloft and have made an appearance. Kevrick, detailed somewhat in the Airspur article I wrote, was a wandering Vistani elder that now resides within the Realms.
Speaking of...
Some years back, just after the release of your "Airspur" article, you said that it served as an introduction of sorts for Kevrick, and that there would be much more to tell, especially about Vistani in the Realms.
Any chance you can share those tidbits here, or will they possibly be included in a future DDI article?
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 07 Sep 2012 : 02:38:48
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Originally posted by Razz
But there's no need since we have the Gurs, I prefer to use what is in the Realms first before porting.
Everyone in Ravenloft came from somewhere else originally.
Who's to say the Visatani weren't Raumvari (Gur)?  |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 08 Sep 2012 : 03:24:03
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Originally posted by Markustay
Who's to say the Visatani weren't Raumvari (Gur)?
Van Richten's Guide to the Vistani says that the Vistani "have been severed from their roots for some crime committed against the gods or some other superior being."
Could this crime possibly involve the cataclysmic battle between Raumathar and Narfell that was hinted as the reason for the Gur "fleeing" their homeworld in their write-up from Races of Faerūn?
Perhaps the fallout from that conflict saw groups of Gur exiled/lost to the Mists? [Maybe the Mists were drawn to that tragic cataclysm and sought to take away some of those responsible? In other words, these proto-Gur may have been involved.]
VRGttV also says that "Almost as important is the corollary idea which postulates that those who exiled the Vistani were flawed themselves, if not evil altogether." Perhaps, as a result of their exiling, Savras ferried them away to a pocket dimension [where they, unfortunately, eventually found their way to the Dread Domains], in an effort to protect them from being infected by the rampant evil of the Raumviran and Narfelli.
So many cool ideas here. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 08 Sep 2012 : 05:47:45
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When they cast their final magic, they not only destroyed their enemies, they turned their enemies own fiendish servants against them.
I find certain similarities between the Crown Wars and the Narfell/Raumathar War. Narfell was a wholly evil culture, bent on conquest, using and controlling fiends. Raumathar started out as a druidic-type culture, but the evil of their enemies made them respond in kind. Eventually. In their moment of victory, the suffered their greatest loss - that of their souls.
What many folk of Faerūn took to be endless clouds of smoke rising from the 'great conflagration', was actually the Mists of Dread coming to claim their own.  |
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Kno
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 12 Sep 2012 : 13:25:34
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Therin in the Nobles novel King Pinch is a swarthy gypsy-gur. Wears a scarf that conceals a scar from the hangman's noose, and a blackjack.
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Originally posted by Markustay
Thus, Rashemi, Raumathari, Sossalites, Gur, and probably a couple more I forgot, are all sub-groups of the Raumvari people, who are reminiscent of the Earth Slavic peoples. A sizable portion of that cultural group are wagon-using 'nomads'. In the novel Darkvision, Ususi was able to purchase a wagon that was described to be just like a gypsy wagon, which she was able to get in Rashemen (where such 'mobile home' type wagons are readily available).
I also just came across the word 'gypsy' in an FR novel this past week, but darned if I can remember where. I can't recall the context it was used in, but I'm thinking it was in either Crypt of the Shadowking or Elfsong. Even if the word was used as a description ("like a gypsy"), it was used in-setting, and therefor the concept itself must exist (and thus, we have gypsies... somewhere).
Gypsies aren't Slavic. Americans ...  |
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
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Posted - 12 Sep 2012 : 15:52:35
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| Gypsies aren't slavic? What then? |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 12 Sep 2012 : 15:56:36
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'Europeans'. {shakes head}
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
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Posted - 12 Sep 2012 : 15:59:14
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The Romani (or "Gypsies") may have come from India originally; but their constant interaction with the Slavic people of Eastern and Central Europe is what confuses a lot of people I guess.
The modern Romani have LOTS of slavic genes. |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
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Posted - 12 Sep 2012 : 21:20:27
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Originally posted by Markustay
Narfell was a wholly evil culture, bent on conquest, using and controlling fiends.
Nah, the Narfellians were just misunderstood people who learned that they could make bad creatures do things for them. Yeah, occasionally they had sex with those bad creatures and gave birth to demon spawn. Yeah, maybe sometimes they would offer the still-beating hearts of other beings to these creatures... but then those other beings WERE just meat and all. Sheesh.... you make it like summoning demons is a bad thing or something |
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Matt James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer
USA
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Posted - 13 Sep 2012 : 19:02:46
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Originally posted by The Sage
quote:
Originally posted by Matt James
Vistani can travel to Realmspace from Ravenloft and have made an appearance. Kevrick, detailed somewhat in the Airspur article I wrote, was a wandering Vistani elder that now resides within the Realms.
Speaking of...
Some years back, just after the release of your "Airspur" article, you said that it served as an introduction of sorts for Kevrick, and that there would be much more to tell, especially about Vistani in the Realms.
Any chance you can share those tidbits here, or will they possibly be included in a future DDI article?
Those projects fell through. I hope to follow up with more great stories about Kevrick and his exploits. And yes, he is a wandering gypsy of the Realms.
There is some very fun stuff that is under NDA regarding Kevrick that has already been unofficially approved by Ed. I can't wait to jump on it. |
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dragonfriend
Seeker
Italy
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Posted - 08 Sep 2015 : 23:54:09
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Originally posted by TBeholder
Valantra.
What about them aside wizards and rogue of the realms? |
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Matt James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer
USA
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Posted - 09 Sep 2015 : 00:25:41
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| I plan to have a significant amount of fan-fic completed on the topic. Bumping this thread was a great reminder. |
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Jeremy Grenemyer
Great Reader
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Posted - 09 Sep 2015 : 03:46:47
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Originally posted by Matt James
I plan to have a significant amount of fan-fic completed on the topic. Bumping this thread was a great reminder.
Looking forward to it, Matt.  |
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