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Dalor Darden
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 Posted - 06 Jun 2012 : 04:12:49
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Could it be that the CK gathering at the GenCon will unveil something about this?
Things just got interesting!
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 06 Jun 2012 : 04:14:57
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Originally posted by Therise
For 5E Realms design? Just Ed, please.
He doesn't need a team adding their individual "creative" input. Too many cooks will spoil the soup.
Actually, even Ed has said that he likes having other people as designers of the Realms. |
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Therise
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 06 Jun 2012 : 04:30:47
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Therise
For 5E Realms design? Just Ed, please.
He doesn't need a team adding their individual "creative" input. Too many cooks will spoil the soup.
Actually, even Ed has said that he likes having other people as designers of the Realms.
Well, sure. Ed's nice to everyone. But he wasn't exactly thrilled with 4E, was he?
Personally, at this point, I'd like for it just to be Ed. If that offends anyone, oh well.
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sfdragon
Great Reader
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Posted - 06 Jun 2012 : 04:44:41
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Id be pleased if what Ed does to the Realms offends the realms haters who got the changed made to the realms in the first place.
but then.... I'd be estatic if waht Ed does to teh realms pleases me. Screw everybody else, their oppionons are their own and they are welcome to them.
and I apologize if I offended anyone with this comment.
I also think Erik would do great asa 5e fr designer. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31701 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jun 2012 : 06:11:57
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Originally posted by Therise
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Therise
For 5E Realms design? Just Ed, please.
He doesn't need a team adding their individual "creative" input. Too many cooks will spoil the soup.
Actually, even Ed has said that he likes having other people as designers of the Realms.
Well, sure. Ed's nice to everyone. But he wasn't exactly thrilled with 4E, was he?
Personally, at this point, I'd like for it just to be Ed. If that offends anyone, oh well.
I like that idea.
But, at the same time, we also have to consider that the Realms has simply become too big for any one designer to handle, personally. There's just so much lore and history, as well as shared-world development, that I'm afraid placing it in the hands of just one designer, might negatively impact on any potentially cool ideas other designers bring in with their own stuff. |
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Therise
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 06 Jun 2012 : 07:28:06
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Sage, I'm doing my best here not to say anything wretched about several designers I dislike. But if you and Wooly want to prod me into that, I'll go there.
If not, I'll just state my preference for Ed as a solo designer for this edition. 
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Elfinblade
Senior Scribe
Norway
377 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jun 2012 : 09:16:33
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
2950 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jun 2012 : 10:07:32
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Originally posted by Therise
Sage, I'm doing my best here not to say anything wretched about several designers I dislike. But if you and Wooly want to prod me into that, I'll go there.
If not, I'll just state my preference for Ed as a solo designer for this edition.
I agree with this post to a point that is almost ridiculous. |
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
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Posted - 06 Jun 2012 : 10:10:15
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Therise
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Therise
For 5E Realms design? Just Ed, please.
He doesn't need a team adding their individual "creative" input. Too many cooks will spoil the soup.
Actually, even Ed has said that he likes having other people as designers of the Realms.
Well, sure. Ed's nice to everyone. But he wasn't exactly thrilled with 4E, was he?
Personally, at this point, I'd like for it just to be Ed. If that offends anyone, oh well.
I like that idea.
But, at the same time, we also have to consider that the Realms has simply become too big for any one designer to handle, personally. There's just so much lore and history, as well as shared-world development, that I'm afraid placing it in the hands of just one designer, might negatively impact on any potentially cool ideas other designers bring in with their own stuff.
It should be handled along the lines of Glorantha under Stafford. Others may chime in, but he has more or less the final word about the world. And you could claim that that setting is even worse to keep track of than the Realms. |
No Canon, more stories, more Realms. |
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Old Man Harpell
Senior Scribe
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495 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jun 2012 : 10:51:37
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Originally posted by Jorkens
It should be handled along the lines of Glorantha under Stafford. Others may chime in, but he has more or less the final word about the world. And you could claim that that setting is even worse to keep track of than the Realms.
This is my thought exactly. Like Therise, I would prefer it be all Ed, all the time, but I know it'll be a monumental task, and the poor man needs some of his life to himself.
Just please, please, PLEASE give Ed the final say in everything. No vetting from Ed, toss it into File 13, never to see the light of day again.
And yes please, edition-neutral. At best, some game appendices in the very back of the book (in fact, you pretty much have to have at least a basic form of these) - but something that fits in any system you use.
I'm just really curious to see where Ed is going to steer the ship from its 4th Edition mooring point. I really hope Wizbro isn't just trying to put wallpaper over the hole in the wall that the speeding logging truck made.
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Posted - 06 Jun 2012 : 13:24:13
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| The distinction is between authors who are in sympathy with Ed's world and enjoy taking part in and helping to develop it, and those who don't really get it or prefer to put their own ideas and preferences first -- the big responsible man at the big company who knows better than Uncle Weirdbeard up in Canada, or the unqualified and underdirected freelancer. James is telling us they're going the former way. |
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Zireael
Master of Realmslore
Poland
1190 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jun 2012 : 20:12:12
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I agree with Old Man Harpell.
And indeed, it'd be brilliant if Ed of the Greenwood had more say in the FR... |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jun 2012 : 19:49:27
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Originally posted by Jorkens
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Originally posted by Therise
Sage, I'm doing my best here not to say anything wretched about several designers I dislike. But if you and Wooly want to prod me into that, I'll go there.
If not, I'll just state my preference for Ed as a solo designer for this edition.
I agree with this post to a point that is almost ridiculous.
Whilst I agree with this in-spirit (and I'm the first guy to find fault in God), there are some folks who understand Ed's methodology and vision enough to do an 'Ed-like' job of it.
Without naming-names, some folks don't recognize 'the line' when they start crossing it; the line between "this is so KEWL for my game, my players are gonna love this!", and asking themselves, "does this make sense in terms of The Forgotten Realms?"
We have it much easier then the official designers - we can do whatever the hell WE want. If I decide Cormyr is ruled by Mayor McCheese, then that's just how it is in my Realms.
When you have the ability to come up with an idea late at night (when you aren't thinking all that clearly) and have a deadline to meet - and NO-ONE is editing you - and you go in in the morning and just slap whatever nonsense you like up on the WotC site (I won't mention the one particular article I am thinking of right now), thats a BAAAAAAD thing.
I've had ideas that I thought were pure gold, and then a few days later I was like, "what was I thinking?" This is human nature - when there are no 'filters' (ie, 'Realms Cop') between you and your audience, a lot crap is going to slip through the cracks.
That's 'the line' I think some designers recognize - their own human fallibility - and know when not to cross it. Not every idea is a gem, and they understand this.
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Soturno
Acolyte
Brazil
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Posted - 07 Jun 2012 : 21:03:15
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Tarlyn
Learned Scribe
USA
315 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jun 2012 : 00:47:59
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| Three Cheers for Ed at the helm! I guess I will have to start buying realms products again. |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6646 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jun 2012 : 08:31:41
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Originally posted by Therise
Well, sure. Ed's nice to everyone. But he wasn't exactly thrilled with 4E, was he?
Personally, at this point, I'd like for it just to be Ed. If that offends anyone, oh well.
If it's got to be just one guy - then I agree, it should be Ed. But it won't be, so let's hope the fingers that do go into the pie are Realms-loving ones.
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Hawkins
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 08 Jun 2012 : 15:23:13
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| I would like to echo Old Man Harpell above, I do not care if Ed doesn't write the whole thing himself, especially if the rest of the design team looks like this (thanks to Brian R. James on FB for the picture). |
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Therise
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 08 Jun 2012 : 16:03:24
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Originally posted by George Krashos
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Originally posted by Therise
Well, sure. Ed's nice to everyone. But he wasn't exactly thrilled with 4E, was he?
Personally, at this point, I'd like for it just to be Ed. If that offends anyone, oh well.
If it's got to be just one guy - then I agree, it should be Ed. But it won't be, so let's hope the fingers that do go into the pie are Realms-loving ones.
-- George Krashos
Sure, I absolutely know that it won't be just Ed. What I really want is a massive pull back to the core of the Forgotten Realms, because it has seriously drifted away from the vision.
New designers want to be published really bad. I can't blame them for this: if it's your field, your career, you want by-lines. They also want to really please the upper staff and management. But at the same time, that mentality is what allowed the drift to happen.
Now if we're talking truly seasoned past designers, like you or Eric Boyd, or Steven Schend or Jeff Grubb, I'm all for that. That list "gets" the Realms.
I do not believe, though, that someone like Bruce Cordell - or even Chris Perkins - really understands the Realms. They are excellent game system designers, don't get me wrong. But I'm seriously not happy with what has been done to the Realms on their watch. Actually, "not happy" is a nice euphemism for "I bloody hate it with a passion." Throw new designers in the mix, who want by-lines and want to please the upper staff, and IMO it's a recipe for disaster.
If the Realms cannot BE what it was (and I would honestly prefer a Reboot to 1E at this point), then it should at least have the TONE and feel of what the Realms were all about. Some new people "get" it, like deBie. Others, though committed, are too "company" or average to pull it off.
Sorry, that's how I see it. And we need some brutal honesty here rather than declarations of love if the Realms are to be salvaged.
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Therise
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 08 Jun 2012 : 16:48:32
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Here's an example of pure "ugh" IMO: in Dragon #409, you can take the "theme" of being an awakened clone of Halaster.
Except that you're not his clone. Spellplague has warped your body and mind, such that you can be of any race or gender, it's just that you used to be his clone. Oh, and you have Halaster's mind trapped in your consciousness, always trying to get out.
I mean seriously, what is that? And as if that isn't crazy enough, it further allows you the option of having your real consciousness be that of one of the dead gods (Bhaal, Myrkul, etc) and you used Halaster's clone to come back.
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Diffan
Great Reader
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4429 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jun 2012 : 16:54:31
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Originally posted by Therise
Here's an example of pure "ugh" IMO: in Dragon #409, you can take the "theme" of being an awakened clone of Halaster.
Except that you're not his clone. Spellplague has warped your body and mind, such that you can be of any race or gender, it's just that you used to be his clone. Oh, and you have Halaster's mind trapped in your consciousness, always trying to get out.
I mean seriously, what is that? And as if that isn't crazy enough, it further allows you the option of having your real consciousness be that of one of the dead gods (Bhaal, Myrkul, etc) and you used Halaster's clone to come back.
I think it's pretty cool. The unlimited possibilities the Spellplague had on the Realms and espically places of STRONG magic can have strange and unforeseeable consequences. It's a great hook if your playing in/around Undermountain, Waterdeep, or even the Sword Coast. Honestly, I think of it like a Horcrux (a sort of Phylactery from H.P series) and some of Halaster's essence is trapped inside the "shell". Additionally, I don't think the Theme is meant to be all of his clones are amorphus, just Yours (when you choose the theme). I think the implications and RP possibilities are pretty funny and interesting to say the least. |
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Therise
Master of Realmslore
1272 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jun 2012 : 16:58:33
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Originally posted by Diffan
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Originally posted by Therise
Here's an example of pure "ugh" IMO: in Dragon #409, you can take the "theme" of being an awakened clone of Halaster.
Except that you're not his clone. Spellplague has warped your body and mind, such that you can be of any race or gender, it's just that you used to be his clone. Oh, and you have Halaster's mind trapped in your consciousness, always trying to get out.
I mean seriously, what is that? And as if that isn't crazy enough, it further allows you the option of having your real consciousness be that of one of the dead gods (Bhaal, Myrkul, etc) and you used Halaster's clone to come back.
I think it's pretty cool. The unlimited possibilities the Spellplague had on the Realms and espically places of STRONG magic can have strange and unforeseeable consequences. It's a great hook if your playing in/around Undermountain, Waterdeep, or even the Sword Coast. Honestly, I think of it like a Horcrux (a sort of Phylactery from H.P series) and some of Halaster's essence is trapped inside the "shell". Additionally, I don't think the Theme is meant to be all of his clones are amorphus, just Yours (when you choose the theme). I think the implications and RP possibilities are pretty funny and interesting to say the least.
Actually, there's a whole discussion about what to do if you have more than one of these Halaster clones in a single party.
And I have to disagree. I think it's incredibly horrible, cheesy, and meant to appeal to powergamer types.
And hey, if you need a plot device for anything, Spellplague is your ubiquitous new buddy. It explains everything! Not really, but really. Godawful laziness is all it is.
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Diffan
Great Reader
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Posted - 08 Jun 2012 : 17:19:06
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Originally posted by Therise
Actually, there's a whole discussion about what to do if you have more than one of these Halaster clones in a single party.
Well that's helpful, though I doubt it'll honestly happen all the time in parties. Most people don't want to be beholden to the sort of RP responsibilities of being mildly possessed by old mages.
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And I have to disagree. I think it's incredibly horrible, cheesy, and meant to appeal to powergamer types.
Obviously YMMV on this. Horrible and cheesy? That's speculative, though I think the RP opportuinities are pretty interesting and fun. I could see myself or maybe one other guy in my group try it out.
As for Powergamers.....not really. The abilities associated with the Theme are so-so power wise. The initial benefits of not aging and being immunte to certain disease is situational at best and may never come into play. The level 5 ability is also situational and only resloves after you move. The level 10 feature is probably the best one as it's about equal to a Feat AND stacks with other initiative boosts. For a power ranking, I'd probably give it a 4 to 5 on a scale of 10. It's nifty and has good RP implications, but Powergames could care less about these aspects. |
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Therise
Master of Realmslore
1272 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jun 2012 : 17:25:25
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*SIGH*
Just screw it, then. Hire frigging clowns to design the future Realms, I don't care anymore.
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Faraer
Great Reader
3308 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jun 2012 : 17:42:56
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The Realms just does not work like that Halaster idea. It treats Halaster like a contemporary celebrity players want to imitate, taking a subtly and carefully wrought background story element and bringing it forward crudely and garishly, as with Netheril, Menzoberranzan, Elminster, the gods, the Elven Court and so much else. This is a quite clear dividing line between how Ed does things and the drift Therise is talking about.
And 'powergaming' may not be the best word, but it's certainly part of the recent egotistic kind of focus on PC status and power typified by the notion of character 'builds' and by the action-movie-style trash-talk I-am-the-greatest character class 'flavor text'. |
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Therise
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 08 Jun 2012 : 17:56:37
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By "powergamers" I wasn't talking about the abilities specific to this theme, I was talking about the way powergamers think and what they strive to be.
It's no longer interesting enough to be a human adventurer, with personal reasons for taking up swords or spells. Lately, you have to be an angel, deva, dragon(born), or the scion of some deity.
Here, you aren't just related to Halaster in some convoluted way. You ARE Halaster, the mad archmage himself! The Archmage of Archmages, who might've been the left hand of Mystra! Who is to say that you won't have access to all sorts of weird and overpowered magics with time, really? Heck, you might even fully become Halaster - or maybe you're a blend of Bhaal and Halaster, muahahah!!! Even mo'betta, you might be a blend of fallen Azuth and Halaster, with powerz extreme someday! Isn't that kewl?!?!?!
No, it's not. It's one step away from some clown at WotC deciding it'd be great as a novel, and then before you know it you've got canon. It's freaking ridiculous. It's only Realmsian on the surface. It's the Realms multiplied by {obnoxious} and given a hefty jolt of Spellplague, the Plot Device to end all plot devices.
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Jeremy Grenemyer
Great Reader
USA
2717 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jun 2012 : 18:02:31
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When it comes to new game designers, I’m just as tempted as any other longtime fan to review with a critical eye anything written by a game designer whose name I don’t readily know.
It’s easy to look at anything new-to-the-Realms that new designers write and conclude “Oh this guy just doesn’t get it/Ed would have done it better/this is new stuff by a new guy so it must be wrong.”
The problem with this is it clouds your judgment before you even have a chance to decide if you like what you just read.
When we as fans automatically separate out new designers from old, we get away from the fact that one of the Realms’ greatest strengths is having multiple creative hands in the pot.
Instead of pigeonholing new game designers as interested in only looking for by-lines, I think it’s better to remember most of the older, seasoned game designers were once new guys; they probably wanted their by-lines too and they had corporate bosses every bit as interested in making a profit as game designers have to deal with nowadays, but they still managed to do great work because they were passionate about the Realms.
I think the trick to doing that great work lay in mixing experienced freelance designers who “get” the Realms with in-house designers who have new ideas *and* are passionate about the Realms.
Ed should be a part of this team, of course, but the vision should be a shared one and not something emanating from one person.
If they do that for 5E, I think the Realms will be on the right track.
RE: the Halaster character theme: this theme disappointed me because it seemed to reduce Halaster’s fate to a footnote for the sake of character creation.
The concept of multiple clones and minds riding other minds can be found all throughout Ed’s novels, so it’s not un-Realmsian, but I think the Halaster concept could have been cleaned up to make it a lot less clunky/convoluted in terms of its backstory. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jun 2012 : 18:10:52
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Its not so much the new guys that bothers many of us, but rather the new flavors some of them bring to the table.
Not saying those flavors are bad. I like Ice cream and I like Fish, but I don't want fish Ice cream. Everything has its place, and FR shouldn't be 'the place for everything'.
This also isn't a '4e thing' - a lot of this began in 3e. A major part of the problem was diverging from the original (and game-friendly) "uncertain third person" presentation, to the very dry, factoid style 3e was done in.
When looking for specific lore, I often find myself going to 3e sources, but when just grabbing something to read in the john I'll grab a Volo's Guide (or just about any other pre-3e source) every time. 1e/2e books read more like a story, and that was part of The Realms' charm. By getting rid of that, they cut-out a very large portion of FR's fanbase - the non(P&P)-gamers. |
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Therise
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 08 Jun 2012 : 18:17:28
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Originally posted by Jeremy Grenemyer
When it comes to new game designers, I’m just as tempted as any other longtime fan to review with a critical eye anything written by a game designer whose name I don’t readily know.
Jeremy, you are always ready to support designers, new or old, from any edition. I would probably die of shock if you ever said anything negative about a specific designer.
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It’s easy to look at anything new-to-the-Realms that new designers write and conclude “Oh this guy just doesn’t get it/Ed would have done it better/this is new stuff by a new guy so it must be wrong.”
The problem with this is it clouds your judgment before you even have a chance to decide if you like what you just read.
Wrong. Having a critical eye is important. As it so happens, I think Erik Scott de Bie is someone who totally gets the Realms. And he's one of the younger set.
Many other new designers can (and have) published things that are relatively average and at least don't hurt the Realms. But that's not the same as really getting it.
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Therise
Master of Realmslore
1272 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jun 2012 : 18:20:19
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...I like Ice cream and I like Fish, but I don't want fish Ice cream...
What if it's special Spellplagued Fish Ice Cream? It floats, and has tiny aberrations in it, yum!
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Female, 40-year DM of a homebrew-evolved 1E Realms, including a few added tidbits of 2E and 3E lore; played originally in AD&D, then in Rolemaster. Be a DM for your kids and grandkids, gaming is excellent for families! |
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Ed and the next FR
