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Markustay
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Posted - 08 May 2012 :  21:13:09  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
Is this some sort of joke or prank?

I read it in THIS THREAD over on the WotC forums, but I haven't substantiated this guy's claim yet.

If its true...... WHAT THE HELL?!

EDIT: Substantiated

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Edited by - Markustay on 08 May 2012 21:17:52

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I don't get why he has to turn into a drow in order to gather Mystra's relics.

Also, how does being a drow make it easier for him to rally the War Wizards of Cormyr?

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Wait, so it's perfectly reasonable if he turns from male to female but apparnelty Drow is where people draw the line .

I actually find the idea interesting and I wonder how he'll unite the Wizards of War as a Drow?

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Posted - 08 May 2012 :  21:50:41  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Because they are combining their two most popular characters into one. An Elminster-drow!

Whats next for 6e, and Everisminster Drowcale?

This is taking the existing setting even further away from its humble beginnings. I was somewhat interested in the RotU storyline, but not so much anymore.

I also hear Lolth is trying to create her own Weave to compete with Shar?

I really hope all of this craziness isn't seriously being considered.

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Irennan
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Posted - 08 May 2012 :  21:51:30  Show Profile Send Irennan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Wait, so it's perfectly reasonable if he turns from male to female but apparnelty Drow is where people draw the line .

I actually find the idea interesting and I wonder how he'll unite the Wizards of War as a Drow?



Yeah, that's what I'm wondering about too.

(besides how he needs to be a drow to get Mystra's relics. Even if he plans to use this new treasure finding trend of the drow to his advantage, it's not like they'll let him away with their goods and if he gets away the first time, then his chances with them end there).

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Posted - 08 May 2012 :  21:53:35  Show Profile  Click to see Alystra Illianniis's MSN Messenger address Send Alystra Illianniis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hmm.... All it says is "dark elf". Not necessarily a drow. Could be one of the "redeemed" ones?

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Markustay
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Posted - 08 May 2012 :  21:53:44  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Maybe its Gromph Baenre he takes over. That would explain how he can be in a position of authority (within a female-dominated society).
quote:
Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis

Hmm.... All it says is "dark elf". Not necessarily a drow. Could be one of the "redeemed" ones?
Ugh!

More 4e confusion.........

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Edited by - Markustay on 08 May 2012 21:54:42
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Posted - 08 May 2012 :  21:54:53  Show Profile  Visit Erik Scott de Bie's Homepage  Send Erik Scott de Bie an AOL message Send Erik Scott de Bie a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Sounds like Ed's up to his crazy tricks again. This is certainly unexpected, and it could go neat places.

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Diffan
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Posted - 08 May 2012 :  21:58:50  Show Profile Send Diffan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Alystra makes a really good point, perhaps it's not Drow but one of the redeemed Dark Elves. Actually, I really like that idea. I'm also very interested in how it relates to Cormyr too.

Also, I don't see any 4E confusion. Elistraee dies and redeems X-amount of Drow to their un-drow status as dark elves. Why is that hard?

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Markustay
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Posted - 08 May 2012 :  22:08:01  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Because according to the 4e 'mission statement', they wanted to "reduce unnecessary redundancy" .

So I guess someone thought the best way to do that is create YET ANOTHER Elven subrace (along with Eladrin!)

You know... as brilliants as adding-in another 'snake god'....

I had more here, but my heads ready to explode. I need to go to Walmart and buy myself an action figure.

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Jeremy Grenemyer
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Posted - 08 May 2012 :  22:15:06  Show Profile Send Jeremy Grenemyer a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I learned about Elminster-as-Drow from the blurb for Elminster Engraged well in advance of the announcement for Rise of the Underdark.

The blurb about Elminster didn't bother me then and I don't particularly care to take a dip in the always-bubbling cauldron of fan angst while exercising my all-seeing eye that unfailingly tells me (without actually telling me) what WotC is doing and why.

Count me as interested in anything Elminster Engraged has to say about Drow in (or under) Cormyr. I’ll be mining that book for new names, places, things and miscellany as it is, so it’ll be fun no matter what.
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

quote:
Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis

Hmm.... All it says is "dark elf". Not necessarily a drow. Could be one of the "redeemed" ones?
Ugh!

More 4e confusion.........
I don't think I've ever seen a writeup for redeemed Drow. Use the stats for an Elf or an Eladrin and call it a day. Too easy Drill Seargent! Give me another one!

Anyway, why be negative? So the hell what if it's a Drow or a redeemed Dark Elf? From the looks of things the dark elf that Elminster will be riding is dead anyway.

But if the dark elf isn’t dead, so what? Either way, his or her status as redeemed could possibly end up mattering in the story and for that reason allow the Creator of all the Realms to tell us something more about Drow that perhaps we’ve never known before (just as he’s already done in the first two books about nobles and secrets of Cormyr).

I don’t know about you, but I don’t have a problem with that.

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Edited by - Jeremy Grenemyer on 08 May 2012 22:25:36
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 08 May 2012 :  22:15:44  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Drowminster!


...And that's all I'm saying, until I have more information than a blurb.

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I find it all amusing. Especially the bit about Manshoon hunting down Elminster clones.


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Posted - 08 May 2012 :  23:26:48  Show Profile Send Jeremy Grenemyer a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

Drowminster!
You need to trademark that.

In the spirit of this thread, I think we should pre-name the dark elf by calling him either Irving or Cathy.

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Posted - 08 May 2012 :  23:40:17  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Jeremy Grenemyer

In the spirit of this thread, I think we should pre-name the dark elf by calling him either Irving or Cathy.




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Posted - 09 May 2012 :  00:34:24  Show Profile Send Dennis a Private Message  Reply with Quote

I'll reserve further comments till more information is revealed. I don't think it that bad, given what's known so far. Elminster had once transformed into a woman. Transforming into a totally different race does not sound that bad, if handled well.

What you should be worried about is if RAS suddenly makes Drizzt a wizard---Drizztminster.

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No they never did do a write up for the redeamed dark elves. the only thing that might come close would be the dusk elves. but the lore on them does not add up to the realmslore.....

why is being a wizard like being a drow? both are likely to find a dagger in the back from a rival or one looking to further his own goals, fame and power


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Posted - 09 May 2012 :  02:03:05  Show Profile  Visit Veritas's Homepage Send Veritas a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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I don't see the problem with this. We know Elminster has a history of adopting other forms so intimately.

We all remember Elmara [from Elminster: The Making of a Mage], right?

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quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

Because according to the 4e 'mission statement', they wanted to "reduce unnecessary redundancy" .

So I guess someone thought the best way to do that is create YET ANOTHER Elven subrace (along with Eladrin!)


I'm pretty comfortable with a LOAD of ethnicities for Humans, Sub-races for Elves, Dwarves, Halflings, Gnomes, even Kobolds, Orcs, and Goblins. What I'm NOT comfortable with is nit-picky mechanics that changes for every single one. From ability score adjustments/replacements and special qualities to favored weapons, classes, and a plethora of different mechanics. Had they NOT tied all the different racial aspects to the game-side, I'd be far happier. Besides, everyone knows "Dark Elves" have Elven stats and just change-reskin the flavor. Easy-Peasy.


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Redeemed Dark Elves = pre-descent Drow = green elves which = ordinary, 'plain vanilla' elves in 4e.

So drow are just perverted Dark Green Elves.

Or in Drizzt's case, Hunter Green.

Remove the magical 'perversion', and they are just green elves again (with a great tan).

I don't know about the rest of you, but I''m opening up a sun-block stand in Cormyr this summer.

I don't mind Elminster changing into other stuff - its par-for-the-course in his case. But we all know him becoming a drow is just marketing. You want to sell more FR novels, you have to slap a drow on the cover. {sigh}

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Why is this so shocking? Seriously... like Elminster hasn't been a drow before?

He's been a woman, he polymorphs into different men ALL THE TIME (old, young)... hasn't he even been a dragon?

This strikes me as one of the more typical things I'd expect of him, not even remotely shocking.

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quote:
Originally posted by Therise

Why is this so shocking? Seriously... like Elminster hasn't been a drow before?

He's been a woman, he polymorphs into different men ALL THE TIME (old, young)... hasn't he even been a dragon?

This strikes me as one of the more typical things I'd expect of him, not even remotely shocking.


This.

If it turns out that it's jumping the shark, we can comment on it after we see what it's like. Until then, I see little point in getting worked up about it.

And be thankful it's Ed doing it. Even if you don't care for his novel-writing (and I know some don't), it's doubtful anyone else could do as good a job with the concept and make it work as well as he can. As overworked as the drow concept is, I'll see what he does with it before reaching for my Vestments of the Candlekeep Grognard.

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