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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
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 Posted - 26 Apr 2012 : 19:45:31
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
USA
4211 Posts |
Posted - 26 Apr 2012 : 20:07:02
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Originally posted by entreri3478
Why are magic-users weaklings?
D-4 for Hit Points...no combat ability usually...usually no Constitution bonus...9th level Wizard on average has fewer Hit Points than a 3rd level fighter...
Kinda like a nice glass jar filled with napalm they are... |
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Imp
Learned Scribe
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GRYPHON
Senior Scribe
USA
527 Posts |
Posted - 26 Apr 2012 : 20:13:28
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
USA
4211 Posts |
Posted - 26 Apr 2012 : 20:14:56
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Originally posted by Imp
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Originally posted by entreri3478
Why are magic-users weaklings?
No. Why are warriors morons?
D-10 for Hit Points, Stand in the front to get hit alot, high constitution bonus...usually don't put much into brain power or high thinking when a blade can get the work done...
Kinda like a great walking iron machine bent on killing...but not always considering why... |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 26 Apr 2012 : 20:31:45
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In other words, the ideal hero.
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
USA
3131 Posts |
Posted - 26 Apr 2012 : 20:57:35
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quote:
Originally posted by Dalor Darden
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Originally posted by Imp
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Originally posted by entreri3478
Why are magic-users weaklings?
No. Why are warriors morons?
D-10 for Hit Points, Stand in the front to get hit alot, high constitution bonus...usually don't put much into brain power or high thinking when a blade can get the work done...
Kinda like a great walking iron machine bent on killing...but not always considering why...
Hulk smash!  |
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Lord Karsus
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Malcolm
Learned Scribe
242 Posts |
Posted - 27 Apr 2012 : 03:42:50
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So, re. this:
"If you knew what I do for a living, you'd likely say she'd be lucky to escape alive."
Huh? Dennis, you posted you were a writer. Do you, um, write on the hides of live tigers or lions, or some such?  |
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Nilus Reynard
Learned Scribe
Canada
137 Posts |
Posted - 27 Apr 2012 : 08:15:26
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Wizard.
Although I do like Mage as well. |
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Thauranil
Master of Realmslore
India
1591 Posts |
Posted - 27 Apr 2012 : 09:22:54
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Mage.
It just seems more appropriate for a magic user to be called that, Wizard is good too but its a bit more traditional and old fashioned ( for me at least). |
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Alystra Illianniis
Great Reader
USA
3750 Posts |
Posted - 27 Apr 2012 : 20:45:22
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| Well, of the ones listed, I tend to use either wizard or sorcerer, depending on the type of magic. In my own setting, however, I also use the terms witch, mage, spellsinger (for bard-types, mostly, althouth my own HB world has a strong bent toward song-magic), or spellcaster. So I voted other, as it really depends, for me. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31701 Posts |
Posted - 28 Apr 2012 : 02:09:12
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
Well, of the ones listed, I tend to use either wizard or sorcerer, depending on the type of magic. In my own setting, however, I also use the terms witch, mage, spellsinger (for bard-types, mostly, althouth my own HB world has a strong bent toward song-magic), or spellcaster. So I voted other, as it really depends, for me.
Which does remind me... I really need to settle on a term for my own specialised music-mages in the Realms and other settings. Super-heroic bards just doesn't work for me.  |
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
USA
4211 Posts |
Posted - 28 Apr 2012 : 02:47:00
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
Well, of the ones listed, I tend to use either wizard or sorcerer, depending on the type of magic. In my own setting, however, I also use the terms witch, mage, spellsinger (for bard-types, mostly, althouth my own HB world has a strong bent toward song-magic), or spellcaster. So I voted other, as it really depends, for me.
Which does remind me... I really need to settle on a term for my own specialised music-mages in the Realms and other settings. Super-heroic bards just doesn't work for me.
I had this problem for a while too Sage, I love Music as part of "Good Magic" because I got spoiled in my Christian Youth and by Tolkien on thinking Music should have a critical component in Magic and Creation.
I messed around for a while with terms like "Song Crafters" and "Song Scions" but finally settled on "Amhrán Amhránaí" which just means "The Song" Singers in Irish.
In my Forgotten Realms (and in my World of Aerk), that is what they are often called...because the term Bard just doesn't fit for what I'm often after in the "Druidic" feeling I got from AD&D. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31701 Posts |
Posted - 28 Apr 2012 : 04:35:42
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Originally posted by Dalor Darden
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
Well, of the ones listed, I tend to use either wizard or sorcerer, depending on the type of magic. In my own setting, however, I also use the terms witch, mage, spellsinger (for bard-types, mostly, althouth my own HB world has a strong bent toward song-magic), or spellcaster. So I voted other, as it really depends, for me.
Which does remind me... I really need to settle on a term for my own specialised music-mages in the Realms and other settings. Super-heroic bards just doesn't work for me.
I had this problem for a while too Sage, I love Music as part of "Good Magic" because I got spoiled in my Christian Youth and by Tolkien on thinking Music should have a critical component in Magic and Creation.
I messed around for a while with terms like "Song Crafters" and "Song Scions" but finally settled on "Amhrán Amhránaí" which just means "The Song" Singers in Irish.
In my Forgotten Realms (and in my World of Aerk), that is what they are often called...because the term Bard just doesn't fit for what I'm often after in the "Druidic" feeling I got from AD&D.
Hmmm. I like the Irish option, since it ties in somewhat with my own ideas on a Welsh-derivative term I've been tinkering with. They only problem with that, is it can be hard for some folk to pronounce at the gaming table.
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
7969 Posts |
Posted - 28 Apr 2012 : 05:05:32
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| Isn't the bard class already set apart? Many musicians and minstrels, composers, singers, poets, orators, and dancers can earn a living through entertainment and performance. But a true bard (in D&D) works magic into and through these things, his talents are multifaceted, and to top it off he's also a moderately sturdy adventuring class welcome in any party of heroes. Simply being a member of the bard class is already remarkable, and experience levels can measure relative merits and accomplishments between bards ... why the need for another elite designator? |
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
USA
4211 Posts |
Posted - 28 Apr 2012 : 06:46:15
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Originally posted by Ayrik
Isn't the bard class already set apart? Many musicians and minstrels, composers, singers, poets, orators, and dancers can earn a living through entertainment and performance. But a true bard (in D&D) works magic into and through these things, his talents are multifaceted, and to top it off he's also a moderately sturdy adventuring class welcome in any party of heroes. Simply being a member of the bard class is already remarkable, and experience levels can measure relative merits and accomplishments between bards ... why the need for another elite designator?
In my game it has more to do with REPLACING Bard. Fighters can be called: Swashbuckler, Myrmidon and etc. depending on where they come from. In my games, a Fighter just doesn't introduce himself as a "Fighter from Village X"...but instead might say "I'm a Myrmidon from Chessenta"...and so too Bards.  |
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BARDOBARBAROS
Senior Scribe
Greece
581 Posts |
Posted - 28 Apr 2012 : 20:43:29
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BARDOBARBAROS DOES NOT KILL.
HE DECAPITATES!!!
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 29 Apr 2012 : 01:48:57
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@Sage - Skald wouldn't work?
For a more Finnish spin, try väinämö (which Väinämöinen is derived from). It means 'minstril'
In my world, the term 'Enchanter' is used, which means 'to chant' (in my setting - not sure of its RW source). Either way, it works - one of the definitions is "One that delights or fascinates.".
I also go with a very music-based cosmology/mythos/creation (even though I personally have ZERO musical talent). The 'Voice of God', Primal Music (Seekers of the Song, Metatext, 'Music of the Spheres', Sublime Chord, etc... its all inter-related. It was the first language - the pure thoughts of god. Every other language that came after is a corruption of that (talking about D&D here still, lest anyone thinks I'm going religious).
In scientific terms, This music would be Dark Energy... talk about a bad name. It is the sound of creation itself, and is ever-expanding.
Speaking the language in reverse is blasphemous, and is sometimes called The Dark Speech, or the 'black tongue'. Ordinary mortals can be driven insane by its use, it is used by the Defilers of Athas, and it was the power behind the Ritual of Desecration performed by Kevin Landwaster in The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant the Unbeliever.
I like those scenes in City of Angels where the angels all go to the beach at sunrise and sunset, to "listen to the music". Very powerful stuff.
Anyhow, just some more of my homebrew musings I've been working with in my setting. |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 29 Apr 2012 : 02:06:42
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quote:
Originally posted by entreri3478
quote:
Originally posted by Dennis
Nope. Other than she and I are not close, I don't particularly like the term druid myself. (Isn't it obvious? It's not even on the list!)
Terry Brooks' Druids were always more wizardly/sagely to me, even though they to technically look after the land.
Druids are often 'primitive' in their thinking and use of magic; not to mention 'farmer-ish.' |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 29 Apr 2012 : 02:15:13
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quote:
Originally posted by Malcolm
So, re. this:
"If you knew what I do for a living, you'd likely say she'd be lucky to escape alive."
Huh? Dennis, you posted you were a writer. Do you, um, write on the hides of live tigers or lions, or some such?
I used to teach, and have been writing for..awhile. But what I earn from writing constitutes only 0.00000001% of my bank accounts. I've recently taken over my dad's 'organization,' which, to put it mildly, deals with the darker aspects of life. |
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Dennis
Great Reader
9933 Posts |
Posted - 29 Apr 2012 : 02:21:10
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Dalor Darden
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
Well, of the ones listed, I tend to use either wizard or sorcerer, depending on the type of magic. In my own setting, however, I also use the terms witch, mage, spellsinger (for bard-types, mostly, althouth my own HB world has a strong bent toward song-magic), or spellcaster. So I voted other, as it really depends, for me.
Which does remind me... I really need to settle on a term for my own specialised music-mages in the Realms and other settings. Super-heroic bards just doesn't work for me.
I had this problem for a while too Sage, I love Music as part of "Good Magic" because I got spoiled in my Christian Youth and by Tolkien on thinking Music should have a critical component in Magic and Creation.
I messed around for a while with terms like "Song Crafters" and "Song Scions" but finally settled on "Amhrán Amhránaí" which just means "The Song" Singers in Irish.
In my Forgotten Realms (and in my World of Aerk), that is what they are often called...because the term Bard just doesn't fit for what I'm often after in the "Druidic" feeling I got from AD&D.
Hmmm. I like the Irish option, since it ties in somewhat with my own ideas on a Welsh-derivative term I've been tinkering with. They only problem with that, is it can be hard for some folk to pronounce at the gaming table.
You might want to consider rhapsodomancer---a bard adept at predicting the future. |
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sfdragon
Great Reader
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Posted - 29 Apr 2012 : 02:29:05
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quote:
Originally posted by Dennis
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Originally posted by Malcolm
So, re. this:
"If you knew what I do for a living, you'd likely say she'd be lucky to escape alive."
Huh? Dennis, you posted you were a writer. Do you, um, write on the hides of live tigers or lions, or some such?
I used to teach, and have been writing for..awhile. But what I earn from writing constitutes only 0.00000001% of my bank accounts. I've recently taken over my dad's 'organization,' which, to put it mildly, deals with the darker aspects of life.
would this by chance be?
Mortician
funeral parlor worker
coroner
or undertaker?
I'm soory for disrailling... but I couldnt resit asking |
why is being a wizard like being a drow? both are likely to find a dagger in the back from a rival or one looking to further his own goals, fame and power
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31701 Posts |
Posted - 29 Apr 2012 : 02:39:28
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Originally posted by Markustay
@Sage - Skald wouldn't work?
Not really, since Skald already has a well-defined -- an alternate -- definition in my campaigns.
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For a more Finnish spin, try väinämö (which Väinämöinen is derived from). It means 'minstril'
Consequently, väinämö is actually reserved for my Counter-Earth campaign adventures. |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 29 Apr 2012 : 03:56:15
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quote:
Originally posted by sfdragon
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Originally posted by Dennis
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Originally posted by Malcolm
So, re. this:
"If you knew what I do for a living, you'd likely say she'd be lucky to escape alive."
Huh? Dennis, you posted you were a writer. Do you, um, write on the hides of live tigers or lions, or some such?
I used to teach, and have been writing for..awhile. But what I earn from writing constitutes only 0.00000001% of my bank accounts. I've recently taken over my dad's 'organization,' which, to put it mildly, deals with the darker aspects of life.
would this by chance be?
Mortician
funeral parlor worker
coroner
or undertaker?
I'm soory for disrailling... but I couldnt resit asking
Not even close. My job's far, far darker than that... |
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sfdragon
Great Reader
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Posted - 29 Apr 2012 : 04:04:39
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| DArk MAgician?????? |
why is being a wizard like being a drow? both are likely to find a dagger in the back from a rival or one looking to further his own goals, fame and power
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
USA
4211 Posts |
Posted - 29 Apr 2012 : 04:21:42
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Originally posted by Dennis
Not even close. My job's far, far darker than that...
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 29 Apr 2012 : 04:25:25
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Originally posted by sfdragon
DArk MAgician??????
We're talking real life here.
Anyway, I'm giving clues no more. Because seriously, no one outside the organization could know that I exist. Besides, I'm not going to continue to derail my own thread. So let's get back on topic, shall we? |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 29 Apr 2012 : 21:38:59
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MiB? 
Illuminati?
Professional Torturer?
Is your other name 'little Nicky'? 
One of my ex's friends has the darkest job you can imagine - she gives enemas in a nursing home. Thats DARK, baby. |
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