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Dennis
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Posted - 26 Apr 2012 :  02:15:40  Show Profile Send Dennis a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
Poll Question:

...uses magic?

The scope is the entire genre of fantasy, not just FR. And I mean the ‘common’ practitioners of magic only, not their lowly counterpart like hedge wizard, nor the more powerful one like Archmage/Archwizard/High Wizard, and not priests, either---though theurge is acceptable.

Choices:

Wizard
Witch
Sorcerer/Sorceress
Magician
Mage
Spellcaster
Magic-user
Arcanist
Spellsinger
Enchanter
Artificer
Other

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Wizard...it just feels fantasy.

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Dennis
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Posted - 26 Apr 2012 :  03:11:56  Show Profile Send Dennis a Private Message  Reply with Quote

Yes. Though I would have voted for Magician, if not for the fact that it's been often used to refer to RW tricksters/illusionists; and I can hardly shake off the association from my mind.

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Mage


but arcanist, witch, spell hurler, sorcerer, sorceress and witch work.

why is being a wizard like being a drow? both are likely to find a dagger in the back from a rival or one looking to further his own goals, fame and power


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I like there being multiple words to refer to methods of use and different traditions. Anyone who casts spells is a 'spellcaster' and anyone who uses magic is a 'magic-user' and 'magician', but more tradition-specific terms are desirable, as it is the details that help make a world come alive.

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Methods of use hardly matter, I suppose. It all boils down to the author's preference. Take Tanya Huff's Wizard of the Grove duology for example. If you'd stick to FR mechanics, her wizard should be called a druid instead.

quote:
Originally posted by sfdragon

Mage


Things are partly a matter of getting used to. Years ago, I thought of 'mage' as too uninspiring a term to attach to a practitioner of magic (the class which I've always been biased on). Lately, I got used to it. Specially that it's used alternately with wizard/sorcerer.

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True, but (knowing Tanya) I'd LOVE to see you try to tell her that.
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Dennis
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Nope. Other than she and I are not close, I don't particularly like the term druid myself. (Isn't it obvious? It's not even on the list!)

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Your likes or dislikes don't matter in what I was speaking of, Dennis. I was speaking of how she'd take it.
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Wizard mostly, but it depends on the feel of the story, background, etc

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quote:
Originally posted by scererar

Wizard mostly, but it depends on the feel of the story, background, etc


I think this is a good point. For instance, in stories where females are on the spotlight, it's more appropriate to refer to them as sorceresses or witches, than the gender-neutral wizard/mage.

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I tend to use "mage" when describing arcane caseters, at least in a more serious context. More casually, I call them spellslingers.

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Dennis
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'Spellslinger' sounds too rudimentary...As if all spells are supposed to be 'slung.'

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quote:
Originally posted by Dennis


'Spellslinger' sounds too rudimentary...As if all spells are supposed to be 'slung.'



But it represents the common image held of power hungry wizards in the Forgotten Realms to me.

A "Spellslinger" is someone who works magic quite often in the pursuit of what they desire to me...and at times the term is an insult in my Forgotten Realms games where a commoner may call a Zhent or Red Wizard a Spellslinger instead of wizard; because they think of wizards as a helpful lot and don't want to give credit to the evil sobs they dislike.

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scererar's point applies here. Remember, not all wizards are power-hungry. So if you'd use a general term for users of magic, 'spellslingers' or 'spellhurlers' is hardly...appropriate, IMO.

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Adept, Initiate, Disciple, and Magus are fine terms. Nethermancer is also cool.

I long preferred Sorcerer and Warlock - until D&D applied bad definitions to them.

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Finger wiggler or dress wearer.

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quote:
Originally posted by Ayrik

Adept, Initiate, Disciple, and Magus are fine terms. Nethermancer is also cool.

I long preferred Sorcerer and Warlock - until D&D applied bad definitions to them.


Nethermancer sounds like necromancer, and warlocks are often villains, or anti-heroes. Though, I agree, they're cool names.

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quote:
Originally posted by Dennis


'Spellslinger' sounds too rudimentary...As if all spells are supposed to be 'slung.'



In my case, at least, it's not meant as a serious term -- like me referring to Szass Tam as Szassy, for example.

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Well, of the list I went with magic user, after all Priests do cast magic as well.

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quote:
Originally posted by Kentinal

Well, of the list I went with magic user, after all Priests do cast magic as well.


I intentionally did not include priests. I'm only referring to users of magic coming from various sources other than gods.

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Wizard just reminds me of an old man with a pointy hat and a wand. So I voted for mage.

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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

I tend to use "mage" when describing arcane caseters, at least in a more serious context. More casually, I call them spellslingers.

I usually adopt individual naming practice that reflect either the individual campaign or the setting, in particular.

Generically, I'll work with mage. But, more specifically, I'll often interchange between arcanist, magister, maeger [a setting-specific {non-Realms} term], and wizard.

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quote:
Originally posted by Dennis


'Spellslinger' sounds too rudimentary...As if all spells are supposed to be 'slung.'



In my case, at least, it's not meant as a serious term -- like me referring to Szass Tam as Szassy, for example.

I tend to use Spellslinger as a slang and/or derogatory term for those care little for the ways of mages. It's meant to reflect their "careless disregard" for slinging and hurling magic spells in the vicinity of innocent bystanders.

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quote:
Originally posted by Blueblade

Your likes or dislikes don't matter in what I was speaking of, Dennis. I was speaking of how she'd take it.
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If you knew what I do for a living, you'd likely say she'd be lucky to escape alive.

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quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by Dennis


'Spellslinger' sounds too rudimentary...As if all spells are supposed to be 'slung.'



In my case, at least, it's not meant as a serious term -- like me referring to Szass Tam as Szassy, for example.

I tend to use Spellslinger as a slang and/or derogatory term for those care little for the ways of mages. It's meant to reflect their "careless disregard" for slinging and hurling magic spells in the vicinity of innocent bystanders.



That is what I was trying to say...but my thoughts are cluttered currently.

Well, usually my thoughts are always cluttered...but more so than normal currently!

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